shortstop
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Leave that junk in 2017, man!
Love when adults think it’s cool when they say “adulting is hard lol!!!”
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News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions
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Hatbox Ghostbuster
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I love that a great and immediate indicator of someone who ISN'T an adult is when they utter the word "adulting".
Disney Analyst
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Anyway, this is pointless and not the place. I guarantee it is coming to Disneyland... and people will learn to accept it like everything else.
This is how I see the difference. There is a difference between being able to enjoy the park (ie wander around without alcohol in your hand from a drink cart). Versus enjoying a fine dining experience, or what Disney would like to convince people is a fine dining experience without the option.
Food and wine is intrinsically linked into a dining experience. For Disney to continue to elevate the theme park food experience and being able to be taken seriously outside of the prohibition theme park circle they should be offering it, in that setting.
The second part of the problem is they are building a bar. They could have not built a bar, but I’d say that would be truly denying people what they want. Outside of walking through the Millenium Falcon I’d say the number two experience fans consistently want is the Cantina. I realize Disney will make more money, but personally if they want to convince me I’m going to an out of the world bar, I need more than a milkshake to be in theme.
Professortango1
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I don't need a drink to enjoy Disneyland. But, if I'm buying a high priced dinner at a sit down restaurant, I'd love to be able to have a drink which paired with the meal rather than a coke.
Disney Analyst
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Precisely. Imagine sitting in the Blue Bayou and sharing some bubbly with a loved one?! SO CUTE.
shortstop
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I see your point, and I guess when it boils down down to it, I’m okay with wine at table service restaurants. As far as the bar goes, I personally don’t believe alcohol is necessary to create a convincingly themed environment under any circumstances.
TP2000
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It's not that people need their booze fix or they'll die, it's that Disneyland is a resort vacation destination. People enjoy having a glass of Cabernet with their steak, or a Pinot Grigio with their light summer pasta dish. Or celebrating an anniversary with a Prosecco, or toasting a family reunion with a Vodka Gimlet that great-grandma always had every day at 5 o'clock. (May she rest in peace
)Disneyland is a resort now. It's wildly successful and brings in tens of millions of people celebrating and enjoying life with friends and family. When done with class and style, offering wine, beer or cocktails at the table-service restaurants inside the park would be a nice thing for many people who enjoy a glass of wine with dinner.
But honestly, if the Cantina opens in Star Wars Land and is not serving alcoholic drinks the Star Wars fans are going to be mad.
BTW, I'm on board for cannabis edibles at Disney parks. Rather be with stoners than fall-down, quick-to-anger lushes.
As someone who doesn't believe alcohol has a place within Disney parks. What current restrictions are there, if any? Is there an enforced limit on the number of drinks an individual can be served daily? If someone comes to the gate intoxicated, do they get turned away? I would be open to it for Galaxy's Edge (and the rest of Disneyland) but only if the number of drinks are limited (and enforced). One ride with a group of intoxicated strangers on Grizzly River Run, while on vacation, is enough for me. Sorry, about the unpopular opinion. Please don't hate me.
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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But see, you CAN enjoy nice drinks all over the resort...just not inside Disneyland park. Again, if the entirety of Disneyland Resort was dry, I'd see the pro-booze point. But...once again...why is keeping to one of Walt's traditions so evil in the eyes of guests? (Oh right, because its 2018 and...reasons!) I have yet to hear a single person tell me they had a great day at Disneyland except for the fact that they couldn't grab a beer between spins on the Matterhorn. Mostly because if they really wanted a drink, they already know where to get them.It's not that people need their booze fix or they'll die, it's that Disneyland is a resort vacation destination. People enjoy having a glass of Cabernet with their steak, or a Pinot Grigio with their light summer pasta dish. Or celebrating an anniversary with a Prosecco, or toasting a family reunion with a Vodka Gimlet that great-grandma always had every day at 5 o'clock. (May she rest in peace
Disneyland is a resort now. It's wildly successful and brings in tens of millions of people celebrating and enjoying life with friends and family. When done with class and style, offering wine, beer or cocktails at the table-service restaurants inside the park would be a nice thing for many people who enjoy a glass of wine with dinner.
But honestly, if the Cantina opens in Star Wars Land and is not serving alcoholic drinks the Star Wars fans are going to be mad.
And yet, I know, given the current management's penchant for not giving a single rip about tradition or showing they know anything that's good for the parks...this change is likely to occur. And it would be SWL that does it. Freaking Iger...
dweezil78
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Eh... when Walt was alive Disneyland was a wayyyy more chill/relaxing place than it is now. It also was not a resort/vacation destination like it is today. So yeah, I can see Walt's argument for not having alcohol in the parks then. Disneyland is not that chill place anymore -- when you're putting up with crazy crowds of people, warmer SoCal weather, or pushing around a bunch of crabby kids... a beer or wine with a nice meal at Blue Bayou or Cafe Orleans can go a long with with mellowing out for a few.
Sure, I can exit the park and go get those things right outside, but really what's the difference that point? You're hanging on to a wish of a man who's been dead for half a century and who was only alive for 11 years of the park's 63 years of operations. A man who was continually changing the rules and tinkering with the place right up until his death. Had he not lived a fuller life, do you really think there's no chance that he himself wouldn't have bent on his no alcohol rule??
I respect Walt and his traditions, but like I always do with everything, I urge people to have some perspective and think about the state of the park and world then vs. now. I'm not saying "it's 2018, deal with it" -- but I am saying Disneyland in the 50s and 60s was an extremely different place than it is today.
Phroobar
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I was at Knotts yesterday and here was this idiot millennial walking around puffing away on his vape. He was making more steam than the train. He smelled like cotton candy. Vaping is prohibited in the park unless in smoking sections. That guy needed to man up and move on to cigarettes with his gateway drug.
dweezil78
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The vaping thing is definitely a nuisance. Really bothers me when people think they can just walk around the park puffing vape smoke in everyone's face just because it's not a cigarette. Even worse, last time I was waiting in line to get into the park some dude was smoking a cig IN LINE and blowing smoke up in everyone's face. Technically, the area was not a no-smoking zone so there wasn't much anyone could do about it. Just really obnoxious and inconsiderate when you're around so many people in close quarters like that -- and this is coming from a hardcore ex-smoker who knows what it's like to need a nicotine fix.
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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So basically, because Disneyland is more hectic than it ever has been, you believe folks NEED a drink within the park walls to compensate?? And given that example, wouldn't it make more sense to LEAVE the parks and go indulge somewhere less insane and in more relaxing comfort?
I like that so many of Walt's ideas and wishes are considered passe now in our progressive(ly backwards) society. Here's an unpopular idea: how about instead of trying to bend Disneyland towards society, it continues to uphold its traditions and stand out as the departure from reality it was always meant to be?
Phroobar
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I want to take a sledge hammer to those things and smash them whenever I see them. We've come a long way as a society getting rid of smoking and here it is in a different candy form.
dweezil78
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So basically, because Disneyland is more hectic than it ever has been, you believe folks NEED a drink within the park walls to compensate?? And given that example, wouldn't it make more sense to LEAVE the parks and go indulge somewhere less insane and in more relaxing comfort?
I like that so many of Walt's ideas and wishes are considered passe now in our progressive(ly backwards) society. Here's an unpopular idea: how about instead of trying to bend Disneyland towards society, it continues to uphold its traditions and stand out as the departure from reality it was always meant to be?
You keep throwing the word need around as if that's the only reason someone would want to have a drink within the walls of Disneyland -- because they can't exist without one. No, I don't need a drink. But I would like to have one at certain moments of the day within my favorite place in the world as it would certainly be additive to the experience and put me in a more relaxed state. There are still areas of the park dedicated towards people blowing cigarette smoke around, something which even out of the way has an impact on other guests. But I can't enjoy a beer or wine at a table while eating a nice meal with my friends or family because Walt didn't want it that way in the 50s and 60s? (But was totally ok with people with more $$$ doing it up above me.) C'mon now.
Also consider that up until Walt's death, Disneyland was still almost free to get into -- meaning anyone would have been able to just go to the park, grab a $2 GA ticket, and drink without spending money elsewhere, which I can understand would not be wanted. This is no longer the case. Guests pay $100+ to walk through those turnstyles now.
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Hatbox Ghostbuster
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No, YOU C'mon now!
I'm clearly not going to convince you of this, so let's just agree to disagree.
Maybe one day we can all be cool as this guy. (slight language warning)
There appears to be no shortage of "getting drunk at Disneyland" videos either...yay 2018 Disney parks!