News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions

[Deleted member 107043]

Except they are quoting the site that can't be named and I already pointed out here how wrong they are. Their walking path ends in the back of the MF ride and nowhere near a land entrance. That doesn't mean walking is out of the question, but, it does mean they don't know what they're talking about and post conjecture as fact.

Fair enough, but do the specifics of the path really matter other than to discuss them here? We already know the entrance is going to be somewhere inside SW:GE and considering the site of the hotel the pathway to it will have to be on either side of the main attractions or between them.

 

[MisterPenguin]

We might see our first pathway that has body measurement restrictions on it.

Nah, all SW construction has to comply with the Galacticans of Huttian Proportions Act.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Fair enough, but do the specifics of the path really matter other than to discuss them here? We already know the entrance is going to be somewhere inside SW:GE and considering the site of the hotel the pathway to it will have to be on either side of the main attractions or between them.

Well, we don't know if walking over there is allowed or that we'll all have to take shuttles at designated times. (At least for back stage access. I guess anyone can walk out and enter DHS through the front gate with a valid ticket during operation hours and then walk over to SWL on their own.)

If walking over there is allowed, it's odd that with all that careful parking lot blueprinting with pathing and crosswalks everywhere, that there isn't a crosswalk over either the employee entrance road nor the service road into SWL.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Well, we don't know if walking over there is allowed or that we'll all have to take shuttles at designated times. (At least for back stage access. I guess anyone can walk out and enter DHS through the front gate with a valid ticket during operation hours and then walk over to SWL on their own.)

If walking over there is allowed, it's odd that with all that careful parking lot blueprinting with pathing and crosswalks everywhere, that there isn't a crosswalk over either the employee entrance road nor the service road into SWL.

Hmmm... I thought I read somewhere that the connection between the hotel and SW:GE would be "seamless".

 

[MisterPenguin]

Hmmm... I thought I read somewhere that the connection between the hotel and SW:GE would be "seamless".

Define "seamless."

Definition of seamless

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1 : having no seams​

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2 : being led blindfolded holding hands from one place to another​

 

[SSG]

Define "seamless."

Definition of seamless

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1 : having no seams​

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2 : being led blindfolded holding hands from one place to another​

Florida's GE is so small, this connection between the hotel and GE will 'seem' like 'less.'

 

[mickEblu]

So I’m starting to wonder, should we expect SWL to open unfinished with sloppy show? I think it’s safe to assume SWL, is WDI’s focus right now. The question is will it get treatment it deserves and is it the reason for all of the recent projects opening in a rushed/ sloppy/ unfinished manner BECAUSE of the attention being given to SWL or is this just a sign of Disney show quality dropping and not having the attention to detail that we are accustomed to. It seems like every project the last few years they have dropped the ball in some way or another. Almost like everything has to be a compromise for the sake of time, budget, ineptitude or just not caring. Dumbo opened with an ugly blue wall facing storybookland. Club 33 with an odd off centered window. Pixar Pier speaks for itself but I’ll just highlight the jack jack on sticks and ladder and equipment on the TSMM roof in plain sight. Then there are just the “little things” like removing planters and just replacing with cement instead brick pavers like the rest of FL. Am I just noticing these things more now because I have never been so laser focused on the park or Is show quality just going downhill year after year? It kind of bums me out that they care more about marketing/ branding now than keeping up their standards. That it’s more important for rushed synergistic overlays to open. Now I realize sometimes like In the case of Dumbos Q or removing planters that these things are done out of necessity or for guest experience but why is show being compromised? I mean I’m pretty sure hey have the money to hire some extra hands and get the projects done right and ready for opening.

 

[Disney Irish]

So I’m starting to wonder, should we expect SWL to open unfinished with sloppy show? I think it’s safe to assume SWL, is WDI’s focus right now. The question is will it get treatment it deserves and is it the reason for all of the recent projects opening in a rushed/ sloppy/ unfinished manner BECAUSE of the attention being given to SWL or is this just a sign of Disney show quality dropping and not having the attention to detail that we are accustomed to. It seems like every project the last few years they have dropped the ball in some way or another. Almost like everything has to be a compromise for the sake of time, budget, ineptitude or just not caring. Dumbo opened with an ugly blue wall facing storybookland. Club 33 with an odd odd centered window. Pixar Pier speaks for itself but I’ll just highlight the jack jack on sticks and ladder and equipment on the TSMM roof in plain sight. Then there are just the “little things” like removing planters and just replacing with cement and brick pavers like the rest of FL. Am I just noticing these things more now because I have never been so laser focused on the park or Is show quality just going downhill year after year? It kind of bums me out that they care more about marketing/ branding now than keeping up their standards. That it’s more important for rushed synergistic overlays to open. Now I realize sometimes like In the case of Dumbos Q or removing planters that these things are done out of necessity or for guest experience but why is show being compromised? I mean I’m pretty sure hey have the money to hire some extra hands and get the projects done right and ready for opening.

Things like this have always been there since day one. There are well known stories of DL not being finished on opening day. So its just you probably never noticed these things before. And with the advent of the internet it has just put a super laser focus on these things. Heck they didn't have water for drinking fountains on opening day. If that was done today the fandom would go nuts and internet would have article after article on how Disney is not putting on a good show.

As for SW:GE, I don't have any indication or feeling at this point that things won't be completed. And since they haven't put a specific opening date, they can delay opening until its completed.

 

[Old Mouseketeer]

Disney: New details on Star Wars hotel access

For access into Hollywood Studios, hotel guests will use a special pathway to enter the theme park that will take them between the two attractions in Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge...

It's plenty wide between the show buildings--at least 20 feet I would guess. The question is how it fits in. There is a huge maintenance access in the middle of the MF building facing BE, and what appears to be a second-level outdoor deck of BE facing MF. So it can't be a path at ground level because of the service road behind the two show buildings. It can't be up against the MF building because that service door is like 30 or 40 feet high with a track for a crane sticking out (just look at the one you can see from M&F at DL). If it's some kind of tube up near the roof level of BE, how do they get down to park level?

My best guess is a "shuttle" (read "bus") with opaque windows or viewscreens a la Hogwarts Express that brings them backstage to a "docking port" entering into the middle of SW:GE. YMMV.

 

[dweezil78]

So I’m starting to wonder, should we expect SWL to open unfinished with sloppy show?

Nah...I wouldn't look at Pixar Pier or Toy Story Land as reference for what they'll be doing with SWL. They need to hit it out of the park with SWL as there are far more eyeballs around the world on what they're doing there. And unlike Pixar Pier/TSL, it's not tied to any kind of other event (Incredibles 2 opening, and subsequently TSL being tied closely to Pixar Pier opening, etc, etc. ) Also I think the fact that they are willing to space out the openings for DLR and WDW and not have some huge bi-coastal launch event is a good indication that they are less concerned with timing/synergy and want to make sure they nail it.

 

[alias8703]

lol, I own this.

wait this is real!?!?!?!?!?!

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

wait this is real!?!?!?!?!?!

Sure is!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Did I miss a tangent?

Has toy story gotten the cursed “shoddy details” assessment?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Did I miss a tangent?

Has toy story gotten the cursed “shoddy details” assessment?

It's the usual:

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It's not going to happen (then it happens).​

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It's not going to be done until years off schedule (then the construction shows it's on time).​

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It's not going to be ready when it opens. Some attractions and stores and stuff won't even be open (then it opens with maybe a few minor things undone).​

Whether something is ready or not is a toss of the dice because *issues* arise. Some things come in not only on time but early, others have their opening delayed (well, the internal opening delayed, once announced, it's rare they have to change it again, Rivers of Light, I'm looking at you).

But because something was late that one time, they forget all the other times they weren't. So, will SWL be ready on time? No one knows.

 

[mickEblu]

Things like this have always been there since day one. There are well known stories of DL not being finished on opening day. So its just you probably never noticed these things before. And with the advent of the internet it has just put a super laser focus on these things. Heck they didn't have water for drinking fountains on opening day. If that was done today the fandom would go nuts and internet would have article after article on how Disney is not putting on a good show.

As for SW:GE, I don't have any indication or feeling at this point that things won't be completed. And since they haven't put a specific opening date, they can delay opening until its completed.

I don’t know if opening day is a good comparison. The man was creating something that had never been done before and he did it one year. I’d say maybe comparing it to how projects were rolled out in the late 60s through early 90s would be be a better comparison.

 

[mickEblu]

Nah...I wouldn't look at Pixar Pier or Toy Story Land as reference for what they'll be doing with SWL. They need to hit it out of the park with SWL as there are far more eyeballs around the world on what they're doing there. And unlike Pixar Pier/TSL, it's not tied to any kind of other event (Incredibles 2 opening, and subsequently TSL being tied closely to Pixar Pier opening, etc, etc. ) Also I think the fact that they are willing to space out the openings for DLR and WDW and not have some huge bi-coastal launch event is a good indication that they are less concerned with timing/synergy and want to make sure they nail it.

I’m Leaning toward this as well but I just had to stop and ask the question as it has been one half @$$ opening after another. Regardless, I would like for them to approach every project with the same attention to detail that we think/ expect hey are doing with SWL.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don’t know if opening day is a good comparison. The man was creating something that had never been done before and he did it one year. I’d say maybe comparing it to how projects were rolled out in the late 60s through early 90s would be be a better comparison.

Even still, has any project been 100% complete by opening? It seems like something is always getting adjusted and done after projects open.

Anyways, point is I wouldn't worry about SW:GE at this point.

I’m Leaning toward this as well but I just had to stop and ask the question as it has been one half @$$ opening after another. Regardless, I would like for them to approach every project with the same attention to detail that we think/ expect hey are doing with SWL.

There has only been a handful of projects in the last couple of years. So its easy to say its been just one half-a**ed project after another. Each era seems to have its share of projects that get half-a**ed, but in the longevity of the parks, its but a drop in the bucket with most projects turning out good. As the saying goes, most good things get ignored as its just expected until something bad happens and then that becomes all the focus.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

There has only been a handful of projects in the last couple of years. So its easy to say its been just one half-a**ed project after another. Each era seems to have its share of projects that get half-a**ed, but in the longevity of the parks, its but a drop in the bucket with most projects turning out good. As the saying goes, most good things get ignored as its just expected until something bad happens and then that becomes all the focus.

Well...if I had to predict before hand - I’d say that the studios addition was gonna look “cheap” and that California adventure overlay was gonna look “half A”

Is that how it’s playing out? They kinda set themselves up for that.

The work in Florida is a logistical mess...they are trying to make a cheap, purposefully underbuilt Park into a capacity eater that can swallow a magic kingdom type crowd. The “attraction” areas are really just an afterthought to the infrastructure work. But I fear they made a big mistake and went too small with the scope. One of the things the Disney people and first half Eisner did was build out a little bit on the “too big” side...that is responsible for a lot of the Disney reputation and feel.

But since...and definitely with Bob...it’s been a “what’s enough?” Approach. That mentality is resulting in underwhelming construction more often than not. “New fantasyland” is a joke...it appears toy story is falling in line with that - even though in line with reasonable expectations.

I hope this Star Wars thing is what it’s being hyped as. That’s a little blind faith that they value Star Wars as we “hope” they do. I dunno. The thing that still is a complete red flag is that it’s the same size as a shoehorned Disneyland version. Big mistake since the market dynamic is different.

The other thing is the early and persistent rumors that this is the “first phases”. That’s foolhardy. Unless Comcast really goes nuts, the intelligent take is that we are looking at a big lockdown on expenses in the 2020s...it goes to pattern.

We’ll see...

I think they made a mistake with footprint at studios...should have done more to expand it now and ripped the bandaid off. Now they’ll have two high demand areas tacked on to the same bad layout, more or less.

 

[Disney Irish]

Well...if I had to predict before hand - I’d say that the studios addition was gonna look “cheap” and that California adventure overlay was gonna look “half A”

Is that how it’s playing out? They kinda set themselves up for that.

The work in Florida is a logistical mess...they are trying to make a cheap, purposefully underbuilt Park into a capacity eater that can swallow a magic kingdom type crowd. The “attraction” areas are really just an afterthought to the infrastructure work. But I fear they made a big mistake and went too small with the scope. One of the things the Disney people and first half Eisner did was build out a little bit on the “too big” side...that is responsible for a lot of the Disney reputation and feel.

But since...and definitely with Bob...it’s been a “what’s enough?” Approach. That mentality is resulting in underwhelming construction more often than not. “New fantasyland” is a joke...it appears toy story is falling in line with that - even though in line with reasonable expectations.

I hope this Star Wars thing is what it’s being hyped as. That’s a little blind faith that they value Star Wars as we “hope” they do. I dunno. The thing that still is a complete red flag is that it’s the same size as a shoehorned Disneyland version. Big mistake since the market dynamic is different.

The other thing is the early and persistent rumors that this is the “first phases”. That’s foolhardy. Unless Comcast really goes nuts, the intelligent take is that we are looking at a big lockdown on expenses in the 2020s...it goes to pattern.

We’ll see...

I think they made a mistake with footprint at studios...should have done more to expand it now and ripped the bandaid off. Now they’ll have two high demand areas tacked on to the same bad layout, more or less.

Well primarily in this thread we are talking about the DLR not WDW/DHS.

Also I wouldn't worry about a huge cost cutting at this point with regards to Fox since the majority of the deal is in stock not cash. And any cash that is needed will be taken out as a Corporate Bond. Having been a part of major acquisition now on both sides many times in the last 25 years, most cost cutting is done by eliminating redundancy and cutting the "fat" as it were in the company being acquired. So other than some Fox job losses I wouldn't be concerned just yet.

 

[nevol]

I dont expect it to be incomplete. They might cut from the budget in ways we won't notice because we were never made aware of some of their concepts. Also, steel and aluminum tarrifs will certainly hurt the budget. will disney loosen the purse strings to finish the project, or have all of the parts already been ordered ahead of the recently looming trade war?