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[Deleted member 107043]

And many would pay for that advantage.

This is where the philosophical argument begins. Should people pay for the advantage or are guests entitled to a service to help them navigate massive crowding that basically Disney created by establishing such a high threshold for maximum park capacity? You can probably guess what my opinion is.

 

[fctiger]

This is where the philosophical argument begins. Should people pay for the advantage or are guests entitled to a service to help them navigate massive crowding that basically Disney created by establishing such a high threshold for maximum park capacity? You can probably guess what my opinion is.

But aren't they doing that right now with Max pass? I haven't been to the park since it started but from what I read its really popular. Its only $10 a day but all it does is save you a walk to the machines but apparently that's a big enough advantage for a lot of people to do.

Again this is all in my hypothetical head and nothing more but I'm guessing FPs will always be free to an extent but it will probably be a tiered system where you can get more advantages like an all in one package. I always say when it comes to visiting a theme park you usually have two type of guests, the one that wants to save time and the one that wants to save money. Most probably fall in the latter, especially if you're a local but if you're a vacationer already dropping thousands to stay at the big hotels closest to the parks, eat only at reserved table restaurants and take part in the magic morning admissions then something like this would be worth paying a little extra for on top of everything else.

And to bring this discussion back to Galaxy's Edge lol think just how many people would pay just to avoid a 2-3 hour wait when it opens. I don't see DL or WDW doing anything special like that but we all know if they offered guaranteed FP for a fee those things would be sold out in hours.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

But aren't they doing that right now with Max pass?

They are, but a similar service is offered at SDL for free, not to mention the more robust MM+ at WDW, which (surprise!) is also free. Naturally Disney will try to charge as much as it can, so I get it, but I'm still going to be salty about it. lol

 

[fctiger]

They are, but a similar service is offered at SDL for free, not to mention the more robust MM+ at WDW, which (surprise!) is also free. Naturally Disney will try to charge as much as it can, so I get it, but I'm still going to be salty about it. lol

Yes I know. I was at SDL back in November for the first time and that was a great perk. Still they can get away with it because the park is brand new and FP distribution is done better in general (the FPs are located in one section of each land making it easier to get paper ones similar to WDW).

But still the Anaheim park charges people and no one seems to complain about it because you can still get the FPs for free. As long as they have a free option then I don't think people will complain much, especially compared to all the other FP programs at Universal and Magic Mountain where you have to pay and they are a lot more.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

But still the Anaheim park charges people and no one seems to complain about it because you can still get the FPs for free

Aren't FPs free at SDL?

 

[Professortango1]

if so inclined, you're also left being able to have an additional experience by going back and thru the queue... esp. w/ gringotts, great example

i think it's fair trade - fp or sr

now, i can see folks being a bit bummed they scheduled months in advance and missed the full experience,
but by using the time saved not waiting in the long line one can go back and wait in the long line.

Exactly! It's a trade off.

 

[Professortango1]

Oh c’mon. You act like going solo is a disability and deserves special treatment. Any guest, solo or otherwise, has the same choice of doing standby or FP like anyone else. The majority of the people using single rider are not even solo — it’s just that the line is too long and they couldn’t grab a FP. Single rider exists to fill seats. It’s utilitarian and not sexy, but as a byproduct it can get you on faster if you’re cool with missing the queue and splitting up your party.

Never inferred that at all, just was pointing out the hypocrisy of demanding FP users get the full queue experience (without the queue?) while Single Rider doesn't deserve to see it because they skipped the line.

Both are people using a system to skip waiting in a longer line. The only difference is SR helps make the line move faster, whereas FP slows down the line.

 

[dweezil78]

Never inferred that at all, just was pointing out the hypocrisy of demanding FP users get the full queue experience (without the queue?) while Single Rider doesn't deserve to see it because they skipped the line.

Both are people using a system to skip waiting in a longer line. The only difference is SR helps make the line move faster, whereas FP slows down the line.

FP is a standby alternative via reservation. Single rider is totally type of option that has all kinds of caveats and signage usually explaining this. It’s why almost always you access thru the exit and not with the rest of guests in line. I’m not sure if you are just not getting that or you are conveniently forgetting it for the sake of your argument.

 

[Rich T]

I want an all-standby no-AP system again, where early-risers are rewarded (as they've always been) and those who can't handle a reasonable wait in an entertainingly-designed line don't return to Disneyland, lessening the ridiculous crowds. If the park remains a wonderful place, people will still pay for the experience.

But, of course current Disney just wants to make as much money as possible and cares nothing about the "fun" of designing and operating a theme park, which is what Walt and the best Imagineers were all about. (Don't get me wrong, Walt knew the park had to make a profit, but he believed in the balance between art and business). So things will just keep getting more pre-planned, less spontaneous, and more of a chore.

I knew way back in the Eisner days when they first started charging money for the once-free Fantasmic balcony seats that the park was headed down a long, slippery slope of "haves" and "have-nots" and executive eyes full of dollar signs.

 

[Rich T]

You are and I are on the same page. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I don't see how Disney theme parks make it another 60 years with everyone people still standing in analog queues for 60+ minutes for The Matterhorn.

Disneyland would be fine, because it would still be an incredible place with PLENTY of people wanting to experience it. But it wouldn't be making as *much* profit as current Disney wants (which is every-last-penny-in-every-guest's-bank-account), so there we go.

 

[Rich T]

Another great idea to reduce standby line lengths: Build several high-capacity rides in Tomorrowland. Easier said than done, but...cripes... they've had fifteen years to figure it out and do something.

 

[Professortango1]

FP is a standby alternative via reservation. Single rider is totally type of option that has all kinds of caveats and signage usually explaining this. It’s why almost always you access thru the exit and not with the rest of guests in line. I’m not sure if you are just not getting that or you are conveniently forgetting it for the sake of your argument.

Both are alternatives to standby with caveats. FP let's us know that even if the ride has a 45 minute wait, you might need to wait a few hours for your time slot. Once your time has arrived, you will have a minimal time in line as you bypass the majority of the queue for better or worse.

Single Rider let's us know that you will be sat as a party of 1 next to strangers to complete a loading cycle and ensure true capacity is met for an attraction. You will bypass the majority of the queue for better or worse.

 

[Professortango1]

Another great idea to reduce standby line lengths: Build several high-capacity rides in Tomorrowland. Easier said than done, but...cripes... they've had fifteen years to figure it out and do something.

High capacity just means many riders per hour. If these throngs of people have Fastpass for these high capacity rides, standby queues will only be decreased slightly.

 

[Rich T]

Grocery stores should sell APs and Fastpasses, so the wealthier customers can breeze right on by all the pleebs who would then be standing in a 90 minute standby checkout lane that used to only take ten minutes when everyone was treated equally.

 

[Rich T]

High capacity just means many rusers per hour. If these throngs of people have Fastpass for these high capacity rides, standby queues will only be decreased slightly.

This is me. No Fastpasses. Fastpasses are evil. They were created by Sauron.

 

[dweezil78]

Both are alternatives to standby with caveats. FP let's us know that even if the ride has a 45 minute wait, you might need to wait a few hours for your time slot. Once your time has arrived, you will have a minimal time in line as you bypass the majority of the queue for better or worse.

Single Rider let's us know that you will be sat as a party of 1 next to strangers to complete a loading cycle and ensure true capacity is met for an attraction. You will bypass the majority of the queue for better or worse.

Going to have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one and move on.

 

[mickEblu]

Single Rider ruined Child Switch at Space Mountain. I hate it. Now I have to go through the FP line instead of through the exit.

 

[SSG]

Single Rider ruined Child Switch at Space Mountain. I hate it. Now I have to go through the FP line instead of through the exit.

Disney is conditioning you to leave non-essential personnel at home.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I want an all-standby no-AP system again, where early-risers are rewarded (as they've always been) and those who can't handle a reasonable wait in an entertainingly-designed line don't return to Disneyland, lessening the ridiculous crowds. If the park remains a wonderful place, people will still pay for the experience.

Your system would most definitely not create a "reasonable wait."

First, the park's growth has been over 3 million in the past decade. Parks are hitting the tipping point more and more so when lines back up more and more so simply because there's more people in the park than the capacity of the attractions can handle. A free-for-all solves nothing but makes everyone equally miserable.

Secondly, everyone will learn that rope drop is the only way to get a short line to the most coveted attractions, and so everyone who no longer has FP options for later in the day will show up for rope drop. Just look at what happens to FoP now. That's what will happen to the MK without FPs. The parks will be packed right at opening.

 

[Disney Irish]

Your system would most definitely not create a "reasonable wait."
The parks will be packed right at opening.

I think that is what he is hoping. So that when he strolls in hour before closing, everyone will be gone because they will be pooped from standing all day. Making all attractions walk on....