IDK but this never bothered me. If people want the stuff in the queue they have the option of standing in the regular. line. I think the thinking is most FP users either just want to get on ASAP or have seen enough of the queue to the point they no longer care. And I'll be honest if I'm always just getting a FP for a certain attraction I basically fall in both of these camps.
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IDK but this never bothered me. If people want the stuff in the queue they have the option of standing in the regular. line. I think the thinking is most FP users either just want to get on ASAP or have seen enough of the queue to the point they no longer care. And I'll be honest if I'm always just getting a FP for a certain attraction I basically fall in both of these camps.
dweezil78
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So if you got a reservation at a nice restaurant instead of showing up and waiting for a table, you’d be cool with getting 2/3 of your meal and rushed through?
LOL that's apples and oranges. FP was designed to LITERALLY skip the queue. Most of the time you get to see most of it for the old rides that incorporated it later but its not the priority of the designers to include it if the point is to get you to the ride vehicle as soon as possible which I'm guessing most people who chooses to get a FP want anyway. You can't always have it both ways.
dweezil78
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Totally disagree. FP was created to lessen wait times, not detract from and offer an abbreviated overall attraction experience. When FP rolled out, queues weren’t as in-depth as they are today and there was little to see.
The game has changed, however, and newer next-gen queues like FOP’s are as much a part of the experience as the ride itself. There’s no reason why a FP line can’t run parallel to standby in cases like that so everyone gets to take-in all the incredible detail used to build up to the on-ride portion.
In most queues that’s actually exactly what happens (running parallel) so it’s kind of puzzling it doesn’t with something so detail heavy like FOP.
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By that same token weren't elaborately decorated queues at Disneyland like Indy and Star Tours designed to entertain people in long slow moving lines based on lessons learned from decades of theme park operations in the latter part of the 20th century? If the future of theme parks means the reduction of storytelling elements in ride queues as an outcome of abbreviated waits brought about by tech advancements I say bring it on.
Universal Orlando's Virtual Line eliminates the queue
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dweezil78
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Yeah, in a perfect world this queue-less virtual queue thing works and traditional lines are a thing of the past. I would say, however, Universal's unwillingness to continue pursuing this type of thing with their latest attractions is a sign that maybe it doesn't work quite as well as they had hoped. With Jimmy Fallon, for example, instead of waiting in a line you end up waiting in a holding area for about 45 minutes before you actually get on the ride itself. So maybe you're not in a 'line,' but you're still sitting around waiting.
But sure, being able to cut 4 hours down to 45 minutes is still something. I still think having pre-ride story elements is important for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is building anticipation and excitement.
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Deleted member 107043
Better than standing in a 60-90 minute line though, and at least they recognize the problem and are experimenting with different solutions.
Agreed. I'm probably being overly optimistic, but I'm hoping eventually, even if it's years from now, WDI, or some other theme park R&D firm, has the ability to solve long lines at Disney theme parks. Fastpass+ and MagicBands can't be the final word in virtual queuing.
As was said the point of the line scenes are mostly for slow moving lines. FP is meant to speed you through the process. Look, they obviously do it sometimes, but not all the time. Again if you want to see all the scenes you have the option to get in the stand-by line. There is no rule that says FP or SR has to be part of the same line, especially when most of the time they are walking through most of it.
There is always going to be a sacrifice somewhere, right?
Professortango1
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Fastpass was created to allow guests more time to shop and eat. They know people come for the rides, so it pushes people through rides as quickly as possible so they'll have more down time to spend money at the park.
If you want the full experience, wait in line. If you want to just get on the ride ASAP, then sorry, but you miss part of the set up. It's the trade off for having a lesser wait. You spent less time on the attraction, you're going to get a lesser experience.
The problem with Fastpass queues which run parallel, is it punishes standby guests by often forcing queuing areas to be the lesser themed and more uncomfortable outdoor portions of the queue, then having the merge point surge guests quickly through the half-empty themed air-conditioned queue. I miss the days of exploring Mara's temple and taking in the sights. Now, you wait 45 minutes outside, then rush past the foyer, the obelisk, the flooded catacombs, the bat cave, and spike room. I'd rather have spent the 45 minutes inside the indoor queue looking at these amazing detailed scenes and sets, but fastpass punishes us to keep the indoor portion nice and clear.
I hope one day Indy and Space Mountain can redesign the Fastpass queue to just enter through the exit and allow standby guests to get the full experience. FOP did it right.
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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Just a few days out from being in theatres for 3 full weeks and Solo has yet to hit $200 million domestically.
Yikes.
Yikes.
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Deleted member 107043
FP may have had the side effect of giving people more time to do other things, but I don't believe it was specifically created just to "allow guests more time to shop and eat". Theme park rides can be terribly inefficient at moving massive numbers of people and standing in line is one of the biggest complaints from customers. FP was an innovative service that put some order into how Disney managed big crowds after switching to a POP ticket system.
Apparently FP isn't going to be the last word in virtual queuing. Along with what USO is doing Disney currently operates 3 different virtual queuing systems across its theme park portfolio, and no doubt there will be more to come.
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Sad to hear. Maybe it's an omen of things to come. What if SW:GE is a flop?
Hatbox Ghostbuster
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I always saw FP as giving guests the glimmer of hope that they had ultimate control of their day and could create the perfect schedule. It makes WAY more sense for the out-of-towner on a more fixed timetable than for the AP who drops by frequently. That's probably why I never use them.
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I use it and I'm from out of town, so there's that. I would use it more if it worked like MyMagic+ where I'm not required to traverse back and forth across the park to collect my reservations. At the very least have a handful of central distribution locations for ALL rides under FP, similar to ticket booths back in the old days. The DL FP system needs a serious upgrade.
Professortango1
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Make no mistake, FP was designed so guests wouldn't be in queues and would instead have more availability to shop and eat. If guests are running from queue to queue to do the 10 rides they wanted to do, they are eating snacks in line and too pooped to really shop. If they are killing 20 minutes before a Fastpass, they don't want to queue up for a new ride, they are far more likely to grab a meal or visit some local shops.
Disney is a corporation, and this was clearly a corporate decision to benefit the corporation.
Professortango1
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Yep, the FL FP should be made into a premium feature. Free for hotel guests, and $30 per person for non hotel guests. This gives guests who visit far more infrequently the advantage. If you're someone at the park 5 times a month, this will probably persuade you to go standby much more often, allowing the queues to move faster for both standby and fastpass users. This will in turn open up walkways.
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Deleted member 107043
I don't know about you but I use that time to ride other rides in the vicinity. I can tell you for certain that I would never ride Pooh or the Canoes if it weren't for Splash Mountain FP. I can't be the only visitor who does this. I can also tell you that I never buy anything at Disneyland other than food at meal time.
Professortango1
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I don't use FP, but I've ridden every ride at the resort. I just don't have a lot of time to shop or eat.
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You must be a local.
Disney Irish
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Forbes in their latest article today stated it earned $205 Million domestically. Still not good, and I still expect when its run is over to be in the low $400 for worldwide total.
Here is the article, its a good read overall:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...cruise-dark-universe-spider-man/#a9bbd577090a