News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Forbes in their latest article today stated it earned $205 Million domestically. Still not good, and I still expect when its run is over to be in the low $400 for worldwide total.

Here is the article, its a good read overall:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...cruise-dark-universe-spider-man/#a9bbd577090a

Hmmm that's interesting. Box Office Mojo has it at $178.5m thru Monday. So unless it somehow made over $20 mil on Tuesday, I wonder where they're getting that number...

 

[Disney Irish]

Hmmm that's interesting. Box Office Mojo has it at $178.5m thru Monday. So unless it somehow made over $20 mil on Tuesday, I wonder where they're getting that number...

I don't know where Fortune gets their numbers, but Fortune is usually pretty accurate. To be honest I don't know how accurate Mojo is for that matter. Mojo could be under reporting somewhere. I know for example Mojo isn't up to date with foreign numbers, usually a week or two behind.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

I don't know where Fortune gets their numbers, but Fortune is usually pretty accurate. To be honest I don't know how accurate Mojo is for that matter. Mojo could be under reporting somewhere. I know for example Mojo isn't up to date with foreign numbers, usually a week or two behind.

Well, point overall being, for almost 3 weeks in theatres, its numbers are abysmal. Not that we didn't already have an idea that might happen.

 

[The Mur]

Hmmm that's interesting. Box Office Mojo has it at $178.5m thru Monday. So unless it somehow made over $20 mil on Tuesday, I wonder where they're getting that number...

Ultimately it will be a staple on the new Disney streaming service and will make lots of money in its second life particularly after more people discover it. It is a fun and rewatchable movie.

 

[Disney Irish]

Well, point overall being, for almost 3 weeks in theatres, its numbers are abysmal. Not that we didn't already have an idea that might happen.

Yeah the numbers are not good at all. To best honest I really thought it would do better especially after I saw it. However as I've described before Star Wars fans are finicky.

With streaming and BluRay sales (provided they release it on BluRay) it'll find life after the theater. Which is actually better for Disney because that money goes right into their pocket. So that might be where we see these one-off stories go, with the major trilogy stories going to theaters.

 

[Phroobar]

That would be fine with me. I like the one-off stories much better than the new trilogy stuff.

 

[Rich T]

Ultimately it will be a staple on the new Disney streaming service and will make lots of money in its second life particularly after more people discover it. It is a fun and rewatchable movie.

It will never make enough money to make Disney happy (insert clip of Veruca Salt singing "I Want It Now," but it is no embarrassment to the film library and will bring in new fans over the years.

Disney's bigger problem, however, is coming up with Ep. IX. In the wake of Last Jedi's awful script and Solo's performance, SW films have now lost a lot of their "event" luster. The middle episode of the trilogy is supposed to build up suspense and make people really want to see how the saga wraps up. At this point no one cares anymore what happens to the Bozos in this trilogy. Nothing matters. It feels like the film makers are making it all up as they go along, pulling story points out of their... er, out of thin air. No believable character development, no believable threat, no suspense, no mystery... Nuttin'.

Total Reboot coming in a few years.

 

[fctiger]

I always saw FP as giving guests the glimmer of hope that they had ultimate control of their day and could create the perfect schedule. It makes WAY more sense for the out-of-towner on a more fixed timetable than for the AP who drops by frequently. That's probably why I never use them.

I can honestly see a day where you will be able to plan your entire day via FP. I'm not talking anytime soon it could be a decade or two away but seeing with the advent of technology and how its become an important feature for guests I can see a future where vacationers can get a FP package and plan their whole day around 9-10 attractions. It may not seem as fun for more independent travelers or people who like to be spontaneous but I can imagine all the vacationers out there who would jump on this if they can plan out their entire day and follow an itinerary without having the worry of thinking about being in lines all day.

Especially the upcharge Disney can make with such an offer. It doesn't mean everyone will do this of course but a place like WDW this would be a godsend for tourist. and give them mind of ease trying to see everything during their visit.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

I can honestly see a day where you will be able to plan your entire day via FP. I'm not talking anytime soon it could be a decade or two away but seeing with the advent of technology and how its become an important feature for guests I can see a future where vacationers can get a FP package and plan their whole day around 9-10 attractions. It may not seem as fun for more independent travelers or people who like to be spontaneous but I can imagine all the vacationers out there who would jump on this if they can plan out their entire day and follow an itinerary without having the worry of thinking about being in lines all day.

I really see that day coming.

Doesn't WDW already let you pre-book FP months ahead of your visit? The future is now!

 

[fctiger]

Doesn't WDW already let you pre-book FP months ahead of your visit? The future is now!

Oh they do but its still a pretty strict limit of how many you can get. I don't know the number but I think you are only allowed to get 3 a day you can reserve in advanc. If I'm wrong someone please correct me.

But what I'm saying is I see a day where you can just input the attractions or shows you want to see and a computer will just customize your trip fully for you. So you'll know what time to show up for Space Mountain, Haunted Mansion, TOT, Spaceship Earth, Fantasmic etc. Everything will just be locked in from morning to evening weeks before you even show up. The FP system is becoming both more and more sophisticated and digital. Its clear Disney wants to do away with the paper system altogether and why they are testing the idea out with things like Max pass. I truly believe this is just a testing ground for a much broader system in the future. Maybe not at DLR since its more locals but WDW for sure. Especially now that we're at the technical stage to do it.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I can honestly see a day where you will be able to plan your entire day via FP. I'm not talking anytime soon it could be a decade or two away but seeing with the advent of technology and how its become an important feature for guests I can see a future where vacationers can get a FP package and plan their whole day around 9-10 attractions. It may not seem as fun for more independent travelers or people who like to be spontaneous but I can imagine all the vacationers out there who would jump on this if they can plan out their entire day and follow an itinerary without having the worry of thinking about being in lines all day.

You are and I are on the same page. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I don't see how Disney theme parks make it another 60 years with everyone people still standing in analog queues for 60+ minutes for The Matterhorn.

 

[dweezil78]

Fastpass was created to allow guests more time to shop and eat. They know people come for the rides, so it pushes people through rides as quickly as possible so they'll have more down time to spend money at the park.

If you want the full experience, wait in line. If you want to just get on the ride ASAP, then sorry, but you miss part of the set up. It's the trade off for having a lesser wait. You spent less time on the attraction, you're going to get a lesser experience.

The problem with Fastpass queues which run parallel, is it punishes standby guests by often forcing queuing areas to be the lesser themed and more uncomfortable outdoor portions of the queue, then having the merge point surge guests quickly through the half-empty themed air-conditioned queue. I miss the days of exploring Mara's temple and taking in the sights. Now, you wait 45 minutes outside, then rush past the foyer, the obelisk, the flooded catacombs, the bat cave, and spike room. I'd rather have spent the 45 minutes inside the indoor queue looking at these amazing detailed scenes and sets, but fastpass punishes us to keep the indoor portion nice and clear.

I hope one day Indy and Space Mountain can redesign the Fastpass queue to just enter through the exit and allow standby guests to get the full experience. FOP did it right.

You seem resentful of Fastpass. I still maintain that if WDI is going to spend substantial time and $$$ building lavish detail-heavy queues that are as amazing as the on-ride portion, all guests riding the attraction should be able to experience them.

FOP is really one of few examples where this doesn’t happen and it’s surprising given the mandate and dedication to making Pandora seems so real.

Even HP Forbidden Journey routes Express guests through the queue — without it, you miss 1/3 the experience.

Single Rider lines are and should be the exception to this. I am totally fine and understanding that I’m taking a shortcut to an empty seat whenever I go that route and potentially missing out on some cool stuff.

 

[BrianLo]

Oh they do but its still a pretty strict limit of how many you can get. I don't know the number but I think you are only allowed to get 3 a day you can reserve in advanc. If I'm wrong someone please correct me.

3 in advance yes, but after your third is utilized you can continue to book a FP at a time in a very MaxPass+ sort of way.

The most important differentiating feature at WDW is that the FP can be rebooked at will and are re-inserted into the system. With persistence, luck and a small party size you can essentially get FP+ for whatever you want whenever you want day of. To the point where I found SDMT fastpass availability for 5 minutes later while queued for another attraction I had just utilized FP at.

I love HKDL's small crowds and essential total absence of Fastpass, but honestly WDW ended up being my favourite utilization of it if it has to be utilized. Far more than paper FP, which turns into a burden of running back and forth all over the park. WDW's is too easy to game and frankly that's why I liked it.

 

[Professortango1]

You seem resentful of Fastpass. I still maintain that if WDI is going to spend substantial time and $$$ building lavish detail-heavy queues that are as amazing as the on-ride portion, all guests riding the attraction should be able to experience them.

FOP is really one of few examples where this doesn’t happen and it’s surprising given the mandate and dedication to making Pandora seems so real.

Even HP Forbidden Journey routes Express guests through the queue — without it, you miss 1/3 the experience.

Single Rider lines are and should be the exception to this. I am totally fine and understanding that I’m taking a shortcut to an empty seat whenever I go that route and potentially missing out on some cool stuff.

I don't pretend to like fastpass. And why is is understood that a Single Rider gets a cheapened experience, but Fastpass users don't? Resentful of people at the park by themselves and wish to get in line and help the line move faster?

But seriously, you want the full experience, wait in the line. You want to skip the line, guess what, you're skipping the line. I work for a dinner theatre and VIP guests get first seating. Now, when the other 100 guests are queuing up to be seated afterwards, we entertain them. That is an experience the VIP guests opt out of in favor of not having to wait in the queue line. Themed queues are a way to build up to an experience and entertain guests waiting in line. If you are rushing to the ride, you're not getting a built up experience and you're also not needing of entertainment while in line since...you're not waiting in line. It's pretty cut and dry.

I remember being walked onto Escape From Gringotts by a employee. We didn't see any of the bank, preshow, or elevator that time. We understood that's what we were giving up in exchange for skipping and 45 minute line.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

"Analog queues" makes up for all the swill I've been reading on this forum lately.

 

[dweezil78]

And why is is understood that a Single Rider gets a cheapened experience, but Fastpass users don't? Resentful of people at the park by themselves and wish to get in line and help the line move faster?

Oh c’mon. You act like going solo is a disability and deserves special treatment. Any guest, solo or otherwise, has the same choice of doing standby or FP like anyone else. The majority of the people using single rider are not even solo — it’s just that the line is too long and they couldn’t grab a FP. Single rider exists to fill seats. It’s utilitarian and not sexy, but as a byproduct it can get you on faster if you’re cool with missing the queue and splitting up your party.

 

[smile]

I remember being walked onto Escape From Gringotts by a employee. We didn't see any of the bank, preshow, or elevator that time. We understood that's what we were giving up in exchange for skipping and 45 minute line.

if so inclined, you're also left being able to have an additional experience by going back and thru the queue... esp. w/ gringotts, great example

i think it's fair trade - fp or sr

now, i can see folks being a bit bummed they scheduled months in advance and missed the full experience,
but by using the time saved not waiting in the long line one can go back and wait in the long line.

 

[fctiger]

3 in advance yes, but after your third is utilized you can continue to book a FP at a time in a very MaxPass+ sort of way.

The most important differentiating feature at WDW is that the FP can be rebooked at will and are re-inserted into the system. With persistence, luck and a small party size you can essentially get FP+ for whatever you want whenever you want day of. To the point where I found SDMT fastpass availability for 5 minutes later while queued for another attraction I had just utilized FP at. WDW system is already so much more advance than the other parks. I know Fastpass+ was a pain at roll out but it sounds like its really a great benefit now.

I love HKDL's small crowds and essential total absence of Fastpass, but honestly WDW ended up being my favourite utilization of it if it has to be utilized. Far more than paper FP, which turns into a burden of running back and forth all over the park. WDW's is too easy to game and frankly that's why I liked it.

Right I know. I'm saying I see a system where their entire tirp is planned before they show up. Its just what I think is the eventual goal in the future. I see this mostly for hotel guests of course but I can see it happening. As you said WDW already has a system where you can book and rebook FPs. DL is now getting that with Max Pass but you can only do it the day of of course.

I was at HKDL last month after a six year abscene and I agree. Crowds are still very light there even with all the new additions. I was shocked when I realized only three rides had FPs lol. And Winnie the Pooh was really the only one I needed since that had a pretty sizable wait (40+ minutes). But Iron Man and HyperSpace Mountain never got over 20 mins and I was there on a Saturday.

As for WDW that was the first park I used it when it came out in 1999. I can't say how much of a godsend it felt like when you are managing four different theme parks for the first time. I fell in love with it then and never looked back.

 

[fctiger]

Ultimately it will be a staple on the new Disney streaming service and will make lots of money in its second life particularly after more people discover it. It is a fun and rewatchable movie.

It will eventually make its money back at some point but I wouldn't hold my breath for a sequel. This really was abysmal in terms of turn out.

 

[fctiger]

You are and I are on the same page. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I don't see how Disney theme parks make it another 60 years with everyone people still standing in analog queues for 60+ minutes for The Matterhorn.

I'm glad someone else is! But yes I been thinking this since Fastpass+ rolled out. It had some bad problems originally but it looks like its been smooth out now. This just seem like the beginning of a much bigger idea down the line. I do think there will be lines of some sort but my guess is everyone will be using a FP plan, especially vacationers. But lots of people would love the idea of just showing up and a complete lists of rides and shows already mapped out for them and to stand in lines as little as possible through their entire stay. And many would pay for that advantage.