Hatbox Ghostbuster
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Bob, thank goodness you’re here...I have so many questions!
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Disney Irish
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That is exactly what I said:
I'm sorry that you can't be Bob Iger.
But that still doesn't change the fact that if a little boy or girl wants to identify with the opposite of their body parts they can today in 2018. You can stick your head in the sand if you want to but that world is already here. And I say that as a straight heterosexual white male in his 40s who used to think just like you when he was 19.
Now since we've derailed this topic so many times. I suggest we stop this conversation.
TROR
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Yes, they can, in fact, identify however they want. However, that does not, in fact, mean they are what they identify as. You can identify as a boy, girl, chicken, crocodile, elephant, Xanu, Venus, a tree. I don't care what you want to say you are, that doesn't make you that thing. Those are the facts. X cannot be by Y as much as it may want to be and say it is.
Anyways, the facts are Solo is definitely a bomb. $84 million over the three day weekend and $103 million over the four day weekend. Very disappointing numbers for Disney and they're going to have to make some big changes over at Lucasfilm, I feel. Kathleen Kennedy, although she's produced a lot of great movies, clearly isn't doing a great job based off all the trouble behind the scenes between Solo and Rogue One, fan reactions to TLJ (even though it's a great movie don't @ me), and now the box office of this movie.
Rich T
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Totally agree.
Disney Irish
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Which again gets back to the idea of really what is gender and do we really need an actual term for it. We can go round and round on it all day, so believe whatever you wish.
I'm still waiting to see the numbers for weeks 2 and 3 before I will call it a bomb or not.
Curious Constance
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I think the fact that you see it differently means you're a good person, and better than someone who doesn't see it the same way.
Curious Constance
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Yes, why define gender? It's not like it has any scientific meaning or anything.
TROR
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Hence my parody of the Lincoln quote.
The drop off in week 2 from week 1 will definitely be a huge indicator for whether or not it's really a bomb. But I don't see a world in which Disney doesn't identify it as a bomb.
Actually going to go see it tonight since I'm being dragged by my family. Fortunately it's only $5 so I don't mind spending the cash too much.
Disney Irish
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Thank you, but I am no better than anyone else and never claimed to be. So if that was sarcastic I don't appreciate it.
Curious Constance
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I'm not ashamed to admit that I agree with most of everything you say, and you say some very insightful, intelligent things. Can I adopt you?
Disney Irish
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Except science is finding that gender is not just as simple as an X or Y.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-new-science-of-sex-and-gender/
Curious Constance
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Sorry. I think a lot of people use their beliefs as a way to feel better about themselves, and villianize anyone who has a different opinion. No offense to you though.
Disney Irish
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The drop off in week 2 from week 1 will definitely be a huge indicator for whether or not it's really a bomb. But I don't see a world in which Disney doesn't identify it as a bomb.
Actually going to go see it tonight since I'm being dragged by my family. Fortunately it's only $5 so I don't mind spending the cash too much.
As the buzz around Solo has been pretty good with regards to the film itself, I don't see a drop off in any major way if at all. As for Disney I do think they will reconsider their release schedule. One major thing is fans have come to expect the new SW releases in December. As we know EP9 will be in December, but I have a feeling all SW films will be now in Dec. Unless of course they can find the Marvel formula of the MCU.
I do actually hope you enjoy it. Go in with an open mind.
TROR
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Yeah sure. As long as you don't mind supporting my college funds.
From what I gathered, that article is mostly just saying that men and women have similarities and aren't 100% different creatures. That's just common sense, though. Women are naturally more nurturing, but a man can still be nurturing. Doesn't mean he's a woman. Men are naturally stronger and taller, but a woman can still be tall and strong. Doesn't mean she's a man. I watched Kim Possible as a child, a show aimed really at little girls, but that doesn't mean I'm a girl. Some kids like to play dress up with their parents' clothe, whether their dad's tie or their mom's high heels. These things that children do, and these similarities that exist between both genders, does not mean we should encourage a little boy to act like a little girl.
I will say, though, that I think, personally, there very much are people who are born with XY chromosomes but believe they are XX, or vice versa just by how their brains are wired. I view it very similarly to somebody who has clinical depression or schizophrenia. By this I mean there is something wrong and they need help. If somebody is believing themselves to be the opposite gender, the reaction should not be to attack them or to encourage those thoughts, just as you wouldn't for somebody with depression or schizophrenia, but to seek help for them so their condition doesn't worsen.
Also, I personally have a hard time really taking articles like that as good sources because it ends with a political statement against Republicans in Washington DC. A good source of information should show no political bias, only research and facts.
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Disney Irish
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Well here is another article with really no political slant:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2017/01/how-science-helps-us-understand-gender-identity/
The point of this is that gender (which is really societal) is not as simple as just biology of the body. Also to label it as a brain defect like schizophrenia is really not understanding of what is really happening with the persons brain. And its not a condition that needs to be "fixed" before it worsens.
VJ
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But you aren't denying the fact that you are, in fact, a loon. Correct?
smile
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No one really listens to anyone else, and if you try it for a while you'll see why.
Phroobar
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Isn't it obvious?
nevol
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The recent star wars films just don't feel like they've developed beyond the storyboard or an outline. Like, we have a trilogy to plan. Lets plot out all the major plot moments, all the climaxes that tell this trilogy story and close the tri-trilogy storyline. Fine. That's expected. But then, you sit there watching the movies and never get lost in the characters, lost in the world (there is so little worldbuilding. see TLJ... basically all one space battle with one casino diversion), you just go from point a to point b and the moments that are supposed to be iconic are duds. This has nothing to do with casting, frankly. I like watching the movies but you couldn't pay me to care about any of the characters. Also, it seems like they're offloading all the really interesting worldbuilding and planetary character stuff onto the Star Wars Story series, which makes the new trilogy feel really uninteresting.
The lack of resonance in the chinese market tells us everything we need to know. No, the star wars trilogy doesn't tap in some sophisticated way into the american psyche. Maybe the first trilogy did. But they weren't exposed to that, and standing alone, the new trilogy so far has meant nothing to them. Who cares about any of these characters? Do any of them ever fall in love, feel pain, feel loss, become heroes? It's impossible to tell. They all just serve some silly purpose of getting us from one space battle to another, from one character introduction to another getting killed off. Nothing feels real or consequential. Maybe in the past, they did, but they don't anymore because whether or not good prevails over evil, we know its all just left unresolved so that we will watch 3 more movies and then 3 more after that until we all die. Its like these movies were written by a 3rd grade superfan of the original series and then given a 500 million dollar vfx budget. Their race or gender shouldnt matter, if the roles they played and the stories being told were any good. That nation is clamouring for marvel movies and could care less about star wars.
The lack of resonance in the chinese market tells us everything we need to know. No, the star wars trilogy doesn't tap in some sophisticated way into the american psyche. Maybe the first trilogy did. But they weren't exposed to that, and standing alone, the new trilogy so far has meant nothing to them. Who cares about any of these characters? Do any of them ever fall in love, feel pain, feel loss, become heroes? It's impossible to tell. They all just serve some silly purpose of getting us from one space battle to another, from one character introduction to another getting killed off. Nothing feels real or consequential. Maybe in the past, they did, but they don't anymore because whether or not good prevails over evil, we know its all just left unresolved so that we will watch 3 more movies and then 3 more after that until we all die. Its like these movies were written by a 3rd grade superfan of the original series and then given a 500 million dollar vfx budget. Their race or gender shouldnt matter, if the roles they played and the stories being told were any good. That nation is clamouring for marvel movies and could care less about star wars.
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