News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions

[Curious Constance]

Star Wars has always pushed the boundaries regarding minority representation in films (which has proven to be important in society.)

You can have a fun and entertaining story AND illustrate that white people are not the only type of people in the universe. They're not mutually exclusive.

Never said they were mutually exclusive, I said Star Wars is more interested now in pushing agendas than in telling a good story.

And I wasn't even referring to whites vs anything else. I was mostly referring to female vs male.

And at this point, I could all but careless since I don't care either way about Star Wars, but I'm saying the majority of Star Wars fans are young males, and it's the young males that they've abandoned, not me, a middle age female. I have a young male, and I see his indifference in the newer movies. I see his lack of idols in the newer movies, and I think it's a mistake for the franchise to not provide what these young males are looking for. There won't be enough young girls that care about Star Wars to make up for the loss of their core fans.

But again, I could careless. They can implode on themselves for all I care or they can give the kids what they want. Either way, I've moved on.

 

[MisterPenguin]

If you really want to see a hot debate about Solo and where the movie franchise has been and where it's going,

check out this thread on the forums here.

 

[Disney Irish]

Never said they were mutually exclusive, I said Star Wars is more interested now in pushing agendas than in telling a good story.

And I wasn't even referring to whites vs anything else. I was mostly referring to female vs male.

And at this point, I could all but careless since I don't care either way about Star Wars, but I'm saying the majority of Star Wars fans are young males, and it's the young males that they've abandoned, not me, a middle age female. I have a young male, and I see his indifference in the newer movies. I see his lack of idols in the newer movies, and I think it's a mistake for the franchise to not provide what these young males are looking for. There won't be enough young girls that care about Star Wars to make up for the loss of their core fans.

But again, I could careless. They can implode on themselves for all I care or they can give the kids what they want. Either way, I've moved on.

Isn't this almost all movies now a days anyways. So Star Wars will be no different.

If you pander to just your base, then you leave out a large portion of the population. I personally don't have an issue with Star Wars or any other movie with strong female roles.

 

[Disney Irish]

If you really want to see a hot debate about Solo and where the movie franchise has been and where it's going,

check out this thread on the forums here.

You mean this same thread here?

 

[MisterPenguin]

You mean this same thread here?

 

[Phroobar]

If you really want to see a hot debate about Solo and where the movie franchise has been and where it's going,

check out this thread on the forums here.

I try to stay away from posting on and reading that thread. It makes me sad.

 

[Disney Irish]

I try to stay away from posting on and reading that thread. It makes me sad.

But I thought that thread confirmed that the DL SW:GE was bigger and better, its an awesome thread.

 

[Incomudro]

Isn't this almost all movies now a days anyways. So Star Wars will be no different.

If you pander to just your base, then you leave out a large portion of the population. I personally don't have an issue with Star Wars or any other movie with strong female roles.

If that larger portion of the population isn't going to fill the seats regardless of what you do, and you turn off your core audience in the process - what's the point?
Except to make a point.

 

[Disney Irish]

If that larger portion of the population isn't going to fill the seats regardless of what you do, and you turn off your core audience in the process - what's the point?
Except to make a point.

Except a studio is a business, and as a business their goal is to make money and as much of it as possible. So to try and appeal to a broader audience, even at the risk of turning off your core audience, makes business sense. Otherwise you're just kowtowing so some fanboys will be happy.

 

[Rich T]

Except a studio is a business, and as a business their goal is to make money and as much of it as possible. So to try and appeal to a broader audience, even at the risk of turning off your core audience, makes business sense

Unless you completely wreck what the appeal of the franchise was in the first place. That's *not* good business sense. SW had plenty of fans of all races and both genders before Disney took the reigns. Force Awakens added some new faces and ideas in an interesting and fun way. Last Jedi had new "diverse" characters at the center of the film's dumbest plot points. And that's the real issue, I think. Story comes first. Tell a fun, compelling story first, then cast the best person for the role, whatever their race or gender.

 

[Rich T]

One way or another all the pressure is on Episode 9 now. Disney knows the next one *has* to be really, really good, or the whole franchise is going to be seen as having "lost its way," and then a hiatus and a huge reboot will be necessary.

 

[Disney Irish]

Unless you completely wreck what the appeal of the franchise was in the first place. That's *not* good business sense. SW had plenty of fans of all races and both genders before Disney took the reigns. Force Awakens added some new faces and ideas in an interesting and fun way. Last Jedi had new "diverse" characters at the center of the film's dumbest plot points. And that's the real issue, I think. Story comes first. Tell a fun, compelling story first, then cast the best person for the role, whatever their race or gender.

And these I agree with. The point I was trying to make was in reply to a post say that Star Wars is primarily for young males, its not and shouldn't be.

 

[Disney Irish]

One way or another all the pressure is on Episode 9 now. Disney knows the next one *has* to be really, really good, or the whole franchise is going to be seen as having "lost its way," and then a hiatus and a huge reboot will be necessary.

I still think they need a master architect like Marvel has with Kevin Feige. Someone like Dave Filoni. Especially since they appear to be trying to turn SW into a new MCU.

 

[Rich T]

And these I agree with. The point I was trying to make was in reply to a post say that Star Wars is primarily for young males, its not and shouldn't be.

But it is (primarily but never exclusively). That's exactly what Lucas intended when he created it. It's certainly not a "no-girls-allowed" club, but it should be its own thing, welcoming any female fans who enjoy this sort of goofy space-opera that has always catered mostly to guys. It's like Cars. There's a "guys-oriented" animated film if ever there was one, but I've got a Great Niece who is absolutely in love with the franchise. And she doesn't want a film about Sally. She likes Lightning and Mater. (But, BTW I loved the last 20 minutes of Cars 3, which did the gender-reversal thing perfectly and lead to a great, great ending for that film).

That said, there's no reason not to have female heroes at the center of a SW story if the story benefits from it. I really, really liked Rey in Force Awakens. But don't ignore the original fan base, because that's where the whole franchise started.

 

[Rich T]

I still think they need a master architect like Marvel has with Kevin Feige. Someone like Dave Filoni. Especially since they appear to be trying to turn SW into a new MCU.

Agreed. Last Jedi left the impression that no one at the helm has a plan or even cares. They need to fix that immediately and give fans reassurance that the *next* time they introduce cliffhangers and mysteries, there'll be a good payoff worth waiting for.

 

[Disney Irish]

But it is (primarily but never exclusively). That's exactly what Lucas intended when he created it. It's certainly not a "no-girls-allowed" club, but it should be its own thing, welcoming any female fans who enjoy this sort of goofy space-opera that has always catered mostly to guys. It's like Cars. There's a "guys-oriented" animated film if ever there was one, but I've got a Great Niece who is absolutely in love with the franchise. And she doesn't want a film about Sally. She likes Lightning and Mater. (But, BTW I loved the last 20 minutes of Cars 3, which did the gender-reversal thing perfectly and lead to a great, great ending for that film).

That said, there's no reason not to have female heroes at the center of a SW story if the story benefits from it. I really, really liked Rey in Force Awakens. But don't ignore the original fan base, because that's where the whole franchise started.

I think there is enough characters and stories to be told for the universe to be all inclusive. No reason to cater to just one specific gender over the other.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

It shouldn't be a secret to anyone at this point that they intentionally went into episodes 7,8,9 with no overall game plan/cohesive story.

 

[Disney Irish]

Agreed. Last Jedi left the impression that no one at the helm has a plan or even cares. They need to fix that immediately and give fans reassurance that the *next* time they introduce cliffhangers and mysteries, there'll be a good payoff worth waiting for.

I think JJ was suppose to be that one at the helm, but then they went in another direction.

 

[Curious Constance]

Isn't this almost all movies now a days anyways. So Star Wars will be no different.

If you pander to just your base, then you leave out a large portion of the population. I personally don't have an issue with Star Wars or any other movie with strong female roles.

Yes, most movies have an agenda.

But for movies like Star Wars, who are pushing these agendas despite their fan bases falling predominately into a small category , they shouldn't be surprised when interest starts becoming luke warm, and toy sales slump. Which is exactly what has been happening.

No one said there can't be strong female characters in Star Wars movies. But you should consider what the majority of your fans are going to be looking for in a movie, unless you want the majority of your fans to not be fans anymore.

Would anyone consider making a princess movie that's main character was a strong male? No. One one would do that.
They should make Frozen 2 with the focus being on a male character and see what happens to the millions of young girls who love Frozen. There goes toys and princess costume sales.

Why can't anyone realize it goes both ways?

Just because it's the in thing to do now try and make females just as strong as men in every way conceivable, doesn't mean everyone will eat that up.

Another example. My son LOVED Doctor Who. He wanted to be Doctor Who so bad. He asked for Doctor Who toys, books, costumes, you name it. He would play with his sonic screwdriver pretending for hours.

Then they made Doctor Who, who is a time LORD, a woman. He was sad. Not because he hates women, but because he no longer had any interest. He no longer asks for any of those things anymore. There were plenty of strong female characters in that show before, but that wasn't enough. The agenda needed to go further.

 

[Phroobar]

I think there is enough characters and stories to be told for the universe to be all inclusive. No reason to cater to just one specific gender over the other.

Where is the transgender rogue Jedi?