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[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Where is the transgender rogue Jedi?

Umm...spoiler?

http://www.darkhorizons.com/solo-writer-says-lando-is-pansexual/

 

[Disney Irish]

Yes, most movies have an agenda.

But for movies like Star Wars, who are pushing these agendas despite their fan bases falling predominately into a small category , they shouldn't be surprised when interest starts becoming luke warm, and toy sales slump. Which is exactly what has been happening.

No one said there can't be strong female characters in Star Wars movies. But you should consider what the majority of your fans are going to be looking for in a movie, unless you want the majority of your fans to not be fans anymore.

Would anyone consider making a princess movie that's main character was a strong male? No. One one would do that.
They should make Frozen 2 with the focus being on a male character and see what happens to the millions of young girls who love Frozen. There goes toys and princess costume sales.

Why can't anyone realize it goes both ways?

Just because it's the in thing to do now try and make females just as strong as men in every way conceivable, doesn't mean everyone will eat that up.

Another example. My son LOVED Doctor Who. He wanted to be Doctor Who so bad. He asked for Doctor Who toys, books, costumes, you name it. He would play with his sonic screwdriver pretending for hours.

Then they made Doctor Who, who is a time LORD, a woman. He was sad. Not because he hates women, but because he no longer had any interest. He no longer asks for any of those things anymore. There were plenty of strong female characters in that show before, but that wasn't enough. The agenda needed to go further.

It does go both ways, and I'm all for it. Why can't boys be princesses? In 2018 we should realize as humans that there is something beyond just our body parts. The internal self identity. And those that identify beyond their biology should be represented just like everyone else.

And BTW, there are female time lords going all the way back to the beginning of the series. Susan, Rodan, Romana, Rani, etc. Specifically Time Lords are neither male or female, they can regenerate into either gender.

 

[TROR]

It does go both ways, and I'm all for it. Why can't boys be princesses?

prin·cess
ˈprinsəs,ˈprinˌses/
noun

1. the daughter of a monarch.

 

[Disney Irish]

prin·cess
ˈprinsəs,ˈprinˌses/
noun

1. the daughter of a monarch.

That is just a word definition for which the meaning can change. Meaning of words change in the lexicon all throughout human history.

 

[TROR]

That is just a word definition for which the meaning can change. Meaning of words change in the lexicon all throughout human history.

The world has never had a good definition of the word "gender," and the American people, just now, are much in want of one.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Weeeellllpp....I guess it's that time again...

 

[TROR]

Anyways, words without any definitive meaning are just noise. I can say "dinosaur" and mean "good job!" but that doesn't mean "dinosaur" means "good job!", it means I'm a loon.

 

[Disney Irish]

The world has never had a good definition of the word "gender," and the American people, just now, are much in want of one.

Actually we don't even need the term anymore, it is used for classifications to put people into boxes so the uncomfortable feel better.

 

[TROR]

Actually we don't even need the term anymore, it is used for classifications to put people into boxes so the uncomfortable feel better.

The floor zip rock tissue.

Figure out what I just said since our definitions of these words don't line up.

 

[Disney Irish]

Anyways, words without any definitive meaning are just noise. I can say "dinosaur" and mean "good job!" but that doesn't mean "dinosaur" means "good job!", it means I'm a loon.

No, but words do have their definitions changed, amended, or even added to by the lexicon. For example, gay used to mean happy. But that definition is no longer used in the lexicon.

 

[Disney Irish]

The floor zip rock tissue.

Figure out what I just said since our definitions of these words don't line up.

You're being ridiculous and you know it.

 

[TROR]

You're being ridiculous and you know it.

Sure, but so are you so I'm just bringing balance to the force.

 

[Disney Irish]

Sure, but so are you so I'm just bringing balance to the force.

No I'm not being ridiculous, I was having a serious conversation.

 

[Rich T]

I think there is enough characters and stories to be told for the universe to be all inclusive. No reason to cater to just one specific gender over the other.

Except, financially, which gender has been buying the lion's share of those billions of dollars of SW merchandise over the years? Who's been buying the same films over and over on VHS, Laser Disc, DVD, Blu Ray, and Digital Download? Why cater to an audience that, historically, has never been that "into" the genre as much as the core audience? Star Trek has probably done more than any Sci Fi franchise to be as diverse as possible gender-wise--And its fan base is STILL mostly guys. Again, never exclude anyone, but would you expect the Twilight franchise to court a male audience? Sure, some guys might enjoy Twilight, but they aren't the target audience.

 

[Disney Irish]

Except, financially, which gender has been buying the lion's share of those billions of dollars of SW merchandise over the years? Who's been buying the same films over and over on VHS, Laser Disc, DVD, Blu Ray, and Digital Download? Why cater to an audience that, historically, has never been that "into" the genre as much as the core audience? Star Trek has probably done more than any Sci Fi franchise to be as diverse as possible gender-wise--And its fan base is STILL mostly guys. Again, never exclude anyone, but would you expect the Twilight franchise to court a male audience? Sure, some guys might enjoy Twilight, but they aren't the target audience.

So the franchise should NEVER change just because historically one gender over another has made the primary purchases?

 

[TROR]

No I'm not being ridiculous, I was having a serious conversation.

Ok. Your ideas are ridiculous, but you are being serious. So let me shoot you down easily. You say gay used to mean happy, now it means homosexual. This is true, except it still does mean happy. It does not, however, mean sad. If gay meant sad and happy, it'd mean nothing. It'd be a meaningless word. It's the same with princess. If princess means a daughter, it can't also mean son. And daughter can't mean boy if it means girl.

 

[Disney Irish]

Ok. Your ideas are ridiculous, but you are being serious. So let me shoot you down easily. You say gay used to mean happy, now it means homosexual. This is true, except it still does mean happy. It does not, however, mean sad. If gay meant sad and happy, it'd mean nothing. It'd be a meaningless word. It's the same with princess. If princess means a daughter, it can't also mean son. And daughter can't mean boy if it means girl.

Except the word definition for gay was added to to include homosexual. Its not like the word gay always was defined as homosexual. So word definitions change based on the lexicon. Also the idea of what makes up a boy or a girl goes beyond the body parts which is what I'm saying. So just because you see a girl as one specific type of human with specific body parts doesn't mean another sees it that way. So if a boy who identifies as a girl and wants to be a princess, then they are a princess. It won't matter what you think the definition should be.

 

[Rich T]

So the franchise should NEVER change just because historically one gender over another has made the primary purchases?

It would be the smart thing to do. (And if they *are* going to attempt change, they shouldn't make it the focus of some reeeally stupid plot points). Again, I've no problem with strong female characters, even leads, in Star Wars. And in Princess Leia, SW has had a strong female character since Day One. But the franchise will always PROBABLY appeal mostly to males because that's just the reality of the the human race's entertainment preferences as observed so far (generally--there are exceptions to every rule): Space Operas have appealed mostly to guys. And that 's okay. Not every franchise has to appeal to everyone and female fans are as welcome as can be.

Hey, no reason not to experiment with the formula. But Disney's experimenting with billions of dollars and you and I both know that the ship will head where the money leads, film profit by film profit.

 

[TROR]

Except the word definition for gay was added to to include homosexual. Its not like the word gay always was defined as homosexual. So word definitions change based on the lexicon.

No, a definition was added. It is one word with two definitions. The definition did not change.

Also the idea of what makes up a boy or a girl goes beyond the body parts which is what I'm saying. So just because you see a girl as one specific type of human with specific body parts doesn't mean another sees it that way. So if a boy who identifies as a girl and wants to be a princess, then they are a princess. It won't matter what you think the definition should be.

I want to identify as Bob Iger. I'm not Bob Iger. That's reality. It's not what I feel or my emotions that dictate reality, it's the cold hard facts. What you're advocating for is a world without truth or facts, just feelings, and I don't think I need to get into the absolute chaos of such a world.

 

[Disney Irish]

It would be the smart thing to do. (And if they *are* going to attempt change, they shouldn't make it the focus of some reeeally stupid plot points). Again, I've no problem with strong female characters, even leads, in Star Wars. And in Princess Leia, SW has had a strong female character since Day One. But the franchise will always PROBABLY appeal mostly to males because that's just the reality of the the human race's entertainment preferences as observed so far (generally--there are exceptions to every rule): Space Operas have appealed mostly to guys. And that 's okay. Not every franchise has to appeal to everyone and female fans are as welcome as can be.

Hey, no reason not to experiment with the formula. But Disney's experimenting with billions of dollars and you and I both know that the ship will head where the money leads, film profit by film profit.

I just see it different which is probably why I don't see the franchise as heading to a disaster as some here. But that is what makes films so good, that everyone can see what they want in them.