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DisneyDreamerxyz

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does anyone know what Imagineers are doing with that "Black Hole" area that has been mentioned before? In recent photos it looks like they are adding dirt to it and maybe just planting more trees.....I'd rather they come up with something!

They try to say that Disney World/Land will be the same but Disneyland is pretty locked for extra space and ours will have a lot more walk around room I think.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
does anyone know what Imagineers are doing with that "Black Hole" area that has been mentioned before? In recent photos it looks like they are adding dirt to it and maybe just planting more trees.....I'd rather they come up with something!

They try to say that Disney World/Land will be the same but Disneyland is pretty locked for extra space and ours will have a lot more walk around room I think.
It is an area for future expansion.
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
does anyone know what Imagineers are doing with that "Black Hole" area that has been mentioned before? In recent photos it looks like they are adding dirt to it and maybe just planting more trees.....I'd rather they come up with something!

They try to say that Disney World/Land will be the same but Disneyland is pretty locked for extra space and ours will have a lot more walk around room I think.
Sarlacc Pit for guests complaining about droid prices.
 

nickys

Premium Member
I’d imagine so. It’s designed. The space is there.
@marni1971 , I think I missed this.

When did they change the plans and how? Is the space that should be the TS now a QS or is it going to sit unused? Any idea why they decided it.

My guess would be that having decided to go the No FP route at opening, they didn’t want to have to deal with a separate entry system for those with ADRs for the land, who would need to get in and effectively skip the line to do so.

I really hope they reinstate the TS at some point, even if it’s 6 months down the line.
 

marni1971

WDW History nut
Premium Member
@marni1971 , I think I missed this.

When did they change the plans and how? Is the space that should be the TS now a QS or is it going to sit unused? Any idea why they decided it.

My guess would be that having decided to go the No FP route at opening, they didn’t want to have to deal with a separate entry system for those with ADRs for the land, who would need to get in and effectively skip the line to do so.

I really hope they reinstate the TS at some point, even if it’s 6 months down the line.
To be honest I don’t know. I didn’t know it wasn’t happening until it was pointed out on the aerial photos there was a large space behind the Cantina. I did some checking and the TSR was meant to be there. Much like Rhine River at the park formerly known as EPCOT Center, the area looks prepped and ready.
 

nickys

Premium Member
To be honest I don’t know. I didn’t know it wasn’t happening until it was pointed out on the aerial photos there was a large space behind the Cantina. I did some checking and the TSR was meant to be there. Much like Rhine River at the park formerly known as EPCOT Center, the area looks prepped and ready.
Ah, so it isn’t that the building is done and they are using it as QS in the interim then? The building isn’t even there?

That’s not good. :oops: In that it will be a pfaff to try and build that later. Although I guess it’s possible. Now I’m seriously disappointed ........
 

drod1985

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Ah, so it isn’t that the building is done and they are using it as QS in the interim then? The building isn’t even there?

That’s not good. :oops: In that it will be a pfaff to try and build that later. Although I guess it’s possible. Now I’m seriously disappointed ........
The building isn't there. The two QSR locations are where they were always planned to be. Building the table service restaurant shouldn't be too difficult, as I believed it's planned for this empty square behind the Cantina (lower right of pic). Construction shouldn't affect the existing land much at all.

 

marni1971

WDW History nut
Premium Member
Ah, so it isn’t that the building is done and they are using it as QS in the interim then? The building isn’t even there?

That’s not good. :oops: In that it will be a pfaff to try and build that later. Although I guess it’s possible. Now I’m seriously disappointed ........
The building isn't there. The two QSR locations are where they were always planned to be. Building the table service restaurant shouldn't be too difficult, as I believed it's planned for this empty square behind the Cantina (lower right of pic). Construction shouldn't affect the existing land much at all.

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nickys

Premium Member
Thanks both @drod1985 and @marni1971.

So that’s hopeful then.

Hmm, so my suggestion that they just don’t want to have to deal with two sets of people getting into GE is a possibility then. If they haven’t re-imagined the space, and it’s kinda contained, there is definitely hope. But still odd they won’t actually build it now.

Any chance they may yet do that before the summer?
 

DGracey

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Operationally, how will waiting to get into the land work for the first few weeks? Grand Avenue was essentially designed as a giant holding pen for entrance to the land, but it certainly can’t hold opening level crowds. Will Grand Avenue spill over head down toward Star Tours, Indy, Echo Lake etc.? Doesn’t seem like going down through Sci-Fi & ABC Commissary makes sense.

Will backstage areas be utilized as a temporary measure - like turning Pixar Place into a holding pen, and funneling people through the alley behind Runaway Railway building - and back into Grand Avenue?

An operational nightmare is coming. The entire park can’t become a waiting line for entrance to the land.
 

StarBurst

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Operationally, how will waiting to get into the land work for the first few weeks? Grand Avenue was essentially designed as a giant holding pen for entrance to the land, but it certainly can’t hold opening level crowds. Will Grand Avenue spill over head down toward Star Tours, Indy, Echo Lake etc.? Doesn’t seem like going down through Sci-Fi & ABC Commissary makes sense.

Will backstage areas be utilized as a temporary measure - like turning Pixar Place into a holding pen, and funneling people through the alley behind Runaway Railway building - and back into Grand Avenue?

An operational nightmare is coming. The entire park can’t become a waiting line for entrance to the land.
lines will be backed up from the bus drop- offs im guessing
 

jt04

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lines will be backed up from the bus drop- offs im guessing
That is what I think too. A turnstile or two for those going to GE once the queue backs up to the main gate. The rest for those not going to GE. Once GE is full they will let people into GE equal to those exiting through TSL.
 

Disney Analyst

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Thanks both @drod1985 and @marni1971.

So that’s hopeful then.

Hmm, so my suggestion that they just don’t want to have to deal with two sets of people getting into GE is a possibility then. If they haven’t re-imagined the space, and it’s kinda contained, there is definitely hope. But still odd they won’t actually build it now.

Any chance they may yet do that before the summer?
That’s an interesting thought. Perhaps they decided dealing with dining reservations and land entry would be far too complicated, so they decided to leave it for now as an addition later, then they can do some more promo and boost the land even more.
 

nickys

Premium Member
That’s an interesting thought. Perhaps they decided dealing with dining reservations and land entry would be far too complicated, so they decided to leave it for now as an addition later, then they can do some more promo and boost the land even more.
But they could still have done that, built it and then not taken reservations.

That what I find perplexing. Much easier to build now than later. Maybe they still will, after all, at the moment it looks like a dumper truck parking lot....
 

jt04

Well-Known Member
But they could still have done that, built it and then not taken reservations.

That what I find perplexing. Much easier to build now than later. Maybe they still will, after all, at the moment it looks like a dumper truck parking lot....
With the success of the eatery at Pandora, I think they may have starting leaning away from TS with full menus. Which makes sense for theme parks with skyrocketing attendance.

On the bright side, maybe we will get a new attraction instead.
 

Jones14

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If the TSR comes to pass, I would think it would coincide with the hotel opening, with a guaranteed reservation included in a stay there.

Is the hotel supposed to hit around the 50th?
 
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