Californian Elitist
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A lot of people LOVE to misconstrue the “museum” quote to make excuses for terrible decisions for the park.
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A lot of people LOVE to misconstrue the “museum” quote to make excuses for terrible decisions for the park.
Phroobar
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Didn't everyone go nuts when WDI's plan was to convert Tomorrowland into Star Wars land. Iger decided it needed to be bigger so TL got "spared". Remember the TIE fighter Dumbo ride on top of the EO theater and the Ewok treehouse / speeder bike coaster in the lagoon.
Phroobar
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Rumor was a rethemed Tron coaster.
SoCalMort
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I've often wondered if that was the plan for the original Westcot with the 'second level' being what guests see when entering and a highly themed underground area.
Look at the two buildings on the left side and the one building on the right side. They all have open areas in their 'pavilions' and the 'paths' around each look more like backstage access roads than strolling areas for the public. Maybe access those three from the central hub's Spaceship Earth?
Mac Tonight
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To be fair to this whole museum thing... museums change their exhibits all the time, so...
Personally, I like the fact that some things at the parks are essentially "time-locked" and receive relatively no change apart from standard upkeep. Change for the sake of change is often short-sighted.
Personally, I like the fact that some things at the parks are essentially "time-locked" and receive relatively no change apart from standard upkeep. Change for the sake of change is often short-sighted.
TROR
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When museums change their exhibits, the Mona Lisa isn’t destroyed in favor of postmodernism.
Angry Warlock
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They just stick it in a cupboard with 80% + of the stuff they don't have room to display. They're all hoarders.
Mac Tonight
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That's because the people in charge of the Louvre actually understand and appreciate the art that they have.
Current WDI management however...
DL isn't a museum.
It's an archeological dig.
It's an archeological dig.
RobWDW1971
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Agreed - this is WDI’s go to line when they are defending something of poor quality. It is not about not wanting change, it is about wanting something BETTER and they know it and are just being intentionally disingenuous.
Personally, I love DL history, but I honestly can’t believe that the Tiki room and Lincoln still exist. If Walt came back from the dead today I imagine he’d be embarrassed that the people running the parks haven’t come up with something better in nearly 60 years.
“Really?! That old bird show and Lincoln is STILL going?! Oh, and does somebody have a smoke?”
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TROR
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Lincoln is brilliant.
Mac Tonight
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I honestly can't imagine a DL without Lincoln.
RobWDW1971
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It certainly was - but American Adventure took the concept to the next level back in 1982. It’s now 2020, time for WDI to impress us again and move the concept forward.
Similarly, I grew up on the Carousel of Progress and going on that now is embarrassing and it should be torn out - I would imagine Walt, who was all about innovation and upgrading his park, would be horrified that it still going in that state.
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Mac Tonight
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I disagree. Lincoln and the Tiki Room are essential to give Disneyland it's connection to history.
Using your logic, he'd also have problems with Pirates, Small World, and Haunted Mansion still being there in generally their original forms.
RobWDW1971
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That’s exactly what I think. I certainly can’t speak for him, but can only take his actions in running Disneyland for the first 11 years and what he had on the drawing boards for the future.
I absolutely believe that Walt could not imagine that the boat ride he built for the 1964 Worlds Fair would be still be going in it’s original form in 2020. He was about innovention and constantly upgrading the parks.
Mac Tonight
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Yes, but he was also very much about history. I forget where (maybe the Imagineering Story) but someone once described him as "having one foot in the past, and one foot in the future." I don't think his appreciation for history would have ever gone away.
But let's be real here... Walt had moved on to city planning and urban development by the end of his life and was quite content to leave the parks in the capable hands of his skilled and trusted team of Imagineers. For all we know, Walt could have one day decided Disneyland had served its purpose and turned it into something completely different.
SuddenStorm
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Someone at Forbes sure bought into the whole 'Bright suns!' part of visiting Batu. I somehow doubt the validity of some of this guy's obviously unscripted and completely unpaid for by the mouse's 'experiences'.
‘Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge’ Is The Pinnacle Of The Theme Park As Art
‘Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge’ Is The Pinnacle Of The Theme Park As Art
SuddenStorm
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Well, actually, Walt Disney once said "Disneyland will never be complete. It will continue to grow as long as there is imagination left in the world". So change for the sake of change is essential for Disneyland to be Disneyland.
I firmly believe the dumpy ole' castle, the ugly out of theme Swiss Mountain, and the dated and kitschy Main Street USA should have been demolished years ago.
Land's like Galaxy's Edge show us what Disneyland was always meant to be- the literal interpretation of film in physical form, with little regard for things like mythos and Americana. Frankly, Disney's been doing Disneyland all wrong for the last 60 years.
I hope the rest of the park soon follows suit and changes itself to be more like Galaxy's Edge. If every CM in Frontierland doesn't greet each guest with "Howdy" and if each lady in New Orleans Square isn't getting called "boo" by elderly male employees Disney will have failed in making the place as immersive as it possibly can be.
RobWDW1971
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That quote was in context of Walt having an appreciation for history, particularly American history, which you see in Disneyland.
That did not mean he had a passion for his attractions becoming historical monuments to themselves. Just look at what he did to Tomorrowland while he was alive - tearing out virtually brand new (by today’s standards) attractions to replace them with the latest technology or big ideas.
Just like they did for Epcot when it opened, he would have looked for new and exciting ways to tell his stories about our history and the future. Watch him on World of Disney talking about the new and exciting things coming to Disneyland and tell me he’d want attractions to stagnate over decades and not take advantage of the latest creativity, technology, and possibilities.
I just don’t see anything in his lifetime of animation, live action films, and theme park experience that would indicate to me that he’d want 60 year old out dated technology/creativity being seen by his guests in his theme park.
He was a showman who lived to wow audiences with new and exciting possibilities. The Tiki Room (as much as I love it) is no longer that.