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Mac Tonight

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RobWDW1971 said:
That quote was in context of Walt having an appreciation for history, particularly American history, which you see in Disneyland.

That did not mean he had a passion for his attractions becoming historical monuments to themselves. Just look at what he did to Tomorrowland while he was alive - tearing out virtually brand new (by today’s standards) attractions to replace them with the latest technology or big ideas.

Just like they did for Epcot when it opened, he would have looked for new and exciting ways to tell his stories about our history and the future. Watch him on World of Disney talking about the new and exciting things coming to Disneyland and tell me he’d want attractions to stagnate over decades and not take advantage of the latest creativity, technology, and possibilities.

I just don’t see anything in his lifetime of animation, live action films, and theme park experience that would indicate to me that he’d want 60 year old out dated technology/creativity being seen by his guests in his theme park.

He was a showman who lived to wow audiences with new and exciting possibilities. The Tiki Room (as much as I love it) is no longer that.
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I guess its a good job then that no attraction is truly still in its original state ;)
Even Lincoln has been updated over time.

By all means, update the technology all you want, so long as it doesn't interfere with the nature of the attraction.
I think we can all agree that swapping Lincoln out for a movie preview... was just dumb.

And believe it or not, I believe the greatest fault of Epcot was the fact that they didn't update the attractions accordingly.
Some of the best attractions Disney has ever done, left to rot until they reached obscurity and management had to step in and "fix" things... as for Epcot's current state... all I can do is hope for the best, but my optimism wanes with each passing day.
 
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RobWDW1971

RobWDW1971

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Mac Tonight said:
I guess its a good job then that no attraction is truly still in its original state ;)
Even Lincoln has been updated over time.

By all means, update the technology all you want, so long as it doesn't interfere with the nature of the attraction.
I think we can all agree that swapping Lincoln out for a movie preview... was just dumb.

And believe it or not, I believe the greatest fault of Epcot was the fact that they didn't update the attractions accordingly.
Some of the best attractions Disney has ever done, left to rot until they reached obscurity and management had to step in and "fix" things... as for Epcot's current state... all I can do is hope for the best, but my optimism wanes with each passing day.
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Agree - notice I’m only advocating change to BETTER attractions and obviously not in support of removing Lincoln for movie previews and merch locations. But seriously, it’s time....
 
Mac Tonight

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RobWDW1971 said:
Agree - notice I’m only advocating change to BETTER attractions and obviously not in support of removing Lincoln for movie previews and merch locations. But seriously, it’s time....
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Please don't hear me say that I'm against all change either... in fact, if I was in charge of Disneyland I'd make a great many changes... but I want smart, creative change, not just well that's old, so let's put something new in. Because unfortunately, what that means to current management is let's swap out this physical thing for a screen because that's always exciting...
 
Californian Elitist

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RobWDW1971 said:
Agreed - this is WDI’s go to line when they are defending something of poor quality. It is not about not wanting change, it is about wanting something BETTER and they know it and are just being intentionally disingenuous.

Personally, I love DL history, but I honestly can’t believe that the Tiki room and Lincoln still exist. If Walt came back from the dead today I imagine he’d be embarrassed that the people running the parks haven’t come up with something better in nearly 60 years.

“Really?! That old bird show and Lincoln is STILL going?! Oh, and does somebody have a smoke?”
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I love Lincoln and Tiki Room, but other than that, I agree.
 
chadwpalm

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George Lucas on a Bench said:
Sorry, Walt. Smoking is prohibited in Disney Parks.
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Sharon&Susan

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Galaxy's Edge is need of more interactive elements similar to Toontown or the IJ queue. It wouldn't completely fix Batuu. but it could give it more of a soul beyond "Star Wars themed mall+ 2 rides" and would go part way towards the initial promise from D23 2015 of "being able to live your own Star Wars Adventure".

Most star Wars adventures that I've seen don't focus on $200 lightsaber speakeasies and buying overpriced terrible smoothies.
 
RobWDW1971

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George Lucas on a Bench said:
Everything is static. The droids don't even move. At least put the speeders on a track or something and have them move around a bit. Everything is bolted to the ground, walls, floors etc.
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And with all of the locked doors to nowhere it is why it feels like an abandoned movie set. The idea that Batuu feels “alive” to anybody is just ridiculous. Ghost Town at Knott’s is more immersive and alive.
 
yensidtlaw1969

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RobWDW1971 said:
It certainly was - but American Adventure took the concept to the next level back in 1982. It’s now 2020, time for WDI to impress us again and move the concept forward.

Similarly, I grew up on the Carousel of Progress and going on that now is embarrassing and it should be torn out - I would imagine Walt, who was all about innovation and upgrading his park, would be horrified that it still going in that state.
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I was pretty suitably impressed with the update Lincoln received a few years back - you're right that American Adventure blew out the box of what was possible for such a presentation, but short of razing the Disneyland Opera House you're never gonna get a show of any meaningful scale in there. I felt that they did a great job bringing the Lincoln show into the 21st century while honoring the intention of the piece. The Lincoln figure is stunning the way the original must have been back in the 60's, and the history (both in the show and of the show) seemed to have been treated with great respect.

I think it's very likely the best version of the Lincoln show that's ever played, which is more than I would have thought we could ask for out of his return to Disneyland. It felt like a restoration+. They struck a great balance between preserving a museum piece and rejuvenating it for a contemporary audience.

The Carousel of Progress should be so lucky to receive such an update - honor the history by updating the tech and the script to 21st century standards. The concept doesn't need much work to play, though I'd argue a rejiggering of some of the dates in the timeline would be useful. But if all the Johns were stunning animatronics near Lincoln's level and everyone else got a nice refresh and a round of less hoary dialogue inserted with a clean, new recording of the theme, you could keep it going. The keystone really would be a final act that makes people walk out feeling excited for the possibilities of what's coming (instead of feeling like you just had a close encounter with 1994). With a little pixie dust and some reverence for what it is you could make a snappy presentation of what could otherwise be a saggy period piece.

Maybe get those Lincoln people on it.

(I wouldn't mind giving them a pass at the American Adventure, too - impressive though that show still manages to be, I wouldn't begrudge it if they could take a step forward with it and ensure that it keeps impressing into a new era.)
 
chadwpalm

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Professortango1 said:
Why? SR moves quickly and the line has never been terrible, especially for a new ride. Why make the line longer and slower with FP?
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Well, it was over the holidays getting up to 165 minute waits at times. They should just implement FP on super busy times of the year. I agree, it's not necessary in the off-season.
 
Ismael Flores

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RobWDW1971 said:
Agreed - this is WDI’s go to line when they are defending something of poor quality. It is not about not wanting change, it is about wanting something BETTER and they know it and are just being intentionally disingenuous.

Personally, I love DL history, but I honestly can’t believe that the Tiki room and Lincoln still exist. If Walt came back from the dead today I imagine he’d be embarrassed that the people running the parks haven’t come up with something better in nearly 60 years.

“Really?! That old bird show and Lincoln is STILL going?! Oh, and does somebody have a smoke?”
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If they removed the tiki room i do not think there is much they can do with that piece of property and still use it for attraction.

with all the new ADA rules and codes, attractions now a day seem to need bigger showroom. If Fantasyland was being built today from scratch they would most likely be able to fit two darkrides in the spaces used by the five we have now and that might not even be a possibliity.

It also seems that they are afraid to do any attraction that uses two levels except for Rise now.


Lincoln theater seem like the obvious place for a retrofit to have a Hyperion style theater that can replace the Fantasyland theater.

The Lincoln audioAnimatron could maybe be inetgrated in a lobby for the theater along with the model and artwork of the capital building.
 

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