News Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser coming to Walt Disney World 2021

[Sirwalterraleigh]

There is a gap about as big as the Grand Canyon between riding Star Tours and going "Wheeee, I'm in outer space!" on a ride for three minutes vs. dressing up, taking on a character's name, voice, and backstory, and pretending to be somebody else in a fictional play world for hours/days on end.

Trying to even remotely compare the two is disingenuous rationalizing at best.

Careful…If you pick apart the straw man arguments…you’re gonna get an “angry” call some lady named “aunt Kathy kennedy”

 

[seascape]

The Superbowl would typically(pre covid since attendance is half) about 60,000 people in attendance. Divide that by 365 and you would have 139-200 people staying at Cruiser on any given day. That would be a failure of a resort.

The super bowl, is not a good comparison.

I don't like to tell others their math is wrong but if they drew 60,000 a year it is quite a good number. There are 100 rooms. There are not 365 cruises a year but half that. So 60,000 divided by 365 is only 164.38 a night but since it is a 2 night cruise their would actually be 369 people a cruise or an average of 3.7 people per room.

 

[natatomic]

If it weren't for HWE, people could buy a two day ticket and do each potter land, one on one day, and the other on the next.

Sure, having two Potter lands in two parks incentivizes getting a hopper. But requiring a hopper for one of the 'rides' is pretty gougey.

True. I suppose my personal Park habits made me forget that that was even an option. Even before Harry Potter existed, I always got a park hopper at Universal.

 

[celluloid]

I don't like to tell others their math is wrong but if they drew 60,000 a year it is quite a good number. There are 100 rooms. There are not 365 cruises a year but half that. So 60,000 divided by 365 is only 164.38 a night but since it is a 2 night cruise their would actually be 369 people a cruise or an average of 3.7 people per room.

I don't enjoy correcting either but I want it to be clear as the same thing is being said, just in different ways.

You still divide the occupancy by days. The point was that the Superbowl was not a good comparison but if you break down the numbers for the days 60,000 divided by 365 is indeed the number you posted, but notice I pointed out how the range of superbowl attendance especially post pandemic.

If you have 164 people in a hotel with 100 rooms(on average), that is a fail. You want more than one person, and even more than two on average staying in most rooms on any given day.

You are counting people on cruise, not dividing it by day. The day math still makes sense. It is still a 164 per day occupancy average if one were comparing it to Superbowl attendance.

Again, not saying they will not fill them. Just that the Superbowl being so expensive but people still going would be a bad comparison.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't like to tell others their math is wrong but if they drew 60,000 a year it is quite a good number. There are 100 rooms. There are not 365 cruises a year but half that. So 60,000 divided by 365 is only 164.38 a night but since it is a 2 night cruise their would actually be 369 people a cruise or an average of 3.7 people per room.

I don't enjoy correcting either but I want it to be clear as the same thing is being said, just in different ways.

You still divide the occupancy by days. The point was that the Superbowl was not a good comparison but if you break down the numbers for the days 60,000 divided by 365 is indeed the number you posted, but notice I pointed out how the range of superbowl attendance especially post pandemic.

If you have 164 people in a hotel with 100 rooms(on average), that is a fail. You want more than one person, and even more than two on average staying in most rooms.

You are counting people on cruise, not dividing it by day. The day math still makes sense. It is still a 164 per day occupancy average if one were comparing it to Superbowl attendance.

Just to be clear: there is ZERO correlation between this and a Super Bowl. It’s not in the same “Galaxy” as another has said.

the only loose correlations are cruise ships. Compare prices there and you won’t like what you’ll find if you’re predetermined to talk about “magical Disney experiences”

…so we can skip Hamilton and Taylor Swift Tix too

 

[seascape]

I don't enjoy correcting either but I want it to be clear as the same thing is being said, just in different ways.

You still divide the occupancy by days. The point was that the Superbowl was not a good comparison but if you break down the numbers for the days 60,000 divided by 365 is indeed the number you posted, but notice I pointed out how the range of superbowl attendance especially post pandemic.

If you have 164 people in a hotel with 100 rooms(on average), that is a fail. You want more than one person, and even more than two on average staying in most rooms on any given day.

You are counting people on cruise, not dividing it by day. The day math still makes sense. It is still a 164 per day occupancy average if one were comparing it to Superbowl attendance.

I hate to say it again but you are wrong. People are buying it for 2 days. If only 164 people a day are there, there are only, 164 times 182.5 cruises, 30,112 people who go not 60,000. You are under counting by 50%. I will agree that if they don't draw over 200 people a cruise it will be considered a failure but 200 times 182.5 is still only 36,500 people a year.

 

[celluloid]

I hate to say it again but you are wrong. People are buying it for 2 days. If only 164 people a day are there, there are only, 164 times 182.5 cruises, 30,112 people who go not 60,000. You are under counting by 50%. I will agree that if they don't draw over 200 people a cruise it will be considered a failure but 200 times 182.5 is still only 36,500 people a year.

People are buying a package. The company still divides the occupancy and cares about how many people they got money from on any day. The goal of the post was compare to the attendance of The Superbowl.

It from the internal side of the company 365 divided by 60,000 guests. Think of it like a different statistic to get a different number. The people paid for both days. Disney does not care of the soul is individual or not. Semantics and audience my friend.

The same way attendance to the parks counts clicks, not individual people. This is another reason why Magic Kingdom has an even larger gap than there really is.

 

[seascape]

People are buying a package. The company still divides the occupancy and cares about how many people they got money from on any day. The goal of the post was compare to the attendance of The Superbowl.

It from the internal side of the company 365 divided by 60,000 guests. Think of it like a different statistic to get a different number. The people paid for both days. Disney does not care of the soul is individual or not. Semantics and audience my friend.

The same way Attendance to the parks counts clicks, not individual people. This is another reason why Magic Kingdom has an even larger gap than it really is.

But the 60,000 people are there 2 nights not 1. So if 60,000 people buy 2 nights the attendance is 120,000 not 60,000. When I stay at WDW for 4 trips and spend a total of 23 nights, they count my occupancy as 23 nights or 6.3% of one rooms use per year, not just 4. I also spend over 21 days in the parks so I count as 21 visits, the same as if 21 different people went to the parks once. WDW did not attract 56 million different people to their 4 parks in 2019 but that was their attendance. I was there 24 times in 2019 and hundreds of thousands of others went multile times too.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

Just to be clear: there is ZERO correlation between this and a Super Bowl. It’s not in the same “Galaxy” as another has said.

the only loose correlations are cruise ships. Compare prices there and you won’t like what you’ll find if you’re predetermined to talk about “magical Disney experiences”

…so we can skip Hamilton and Taylor Swift Tix too

But what if there was an immersive Hamilton themed role-play hotel? Like a two-day adult camp locked inside the Hamilton Grange NM? https://www.nps.gov/hagr/index.htm

Would we be permitted to compare that to SWGC? Just checking....

What if it was held at Williamsburg, VA? No wait...that has fresh air...and I don't predict many would jump on the opportunity to authentically live without toilets and plumbing for 3 days,...

Although people DO freely choose to go camping....

hmm...maybe for two days...but maybe not in August...or January....

Okay, maybe we can't compare them. Come to think of it, what are the odds that the SW universe, in a galaxy far, far away, has exactly American style plumbing?

 

[mightynine]

Come to think of it, what are the odds that the SW universe, in a galaxy far, far away, has exactly American style plumbing?

You know, we haven't confirmed how in-universe plumbing works - might be the three seashells.

 

[mmascari]

People are buying a package. The company still divides the occupancy and cares about how many people they got money from on any day. The goal of the post was compare to the attendance of The Superbowl.

It from the internal side of the company 365 divided by 60,000 guests. Think of it like a different statistic to get a different number. The people paid for both days. Disney does not care of the soul is individual or not. Semantics and audience my friend.

The math from @seascape is a better comparison here. All the "it's not the same" comparisons are missing the point of the original post too.

Based on that Super Bowl price picture, if you assume there are 60,000 seats with an average price of $6,000. That implies that there's 60,000 people out there willing to spend that much money on the item. In fact, since the tickets are hard to get, there must be way more than 60,000 people out there willing to do it. Assuming we ignore that it's an average and treat is as if every seat cost that much. Which isn't really true, but good enough for this. Events with no friction in a vacuum and all.

For the Starcruiser, there's a departure every other day, 182 a year. I think we said it was 100 rooms. At 4 people per room, that's 182*100*4=72,800 people a year to max out.

If a Starcruiser voyage is as popular as Super Bowl tickets, then there should be plenty of people who can afford it. People who are already willing to spend that much money for a shorter event.

If it's less popular, then not as many.

But really, I think all the original poster was pointing out is that there's lots of people willing to spend $6,000 for an event that offers even less duration and amenities than a Starcruiser voyage. Different entertainment, so it's not a direct comparison. Just that those people do exist.

Lots and lots of people on this thread are not those people. But, a few are.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

But what if there was an immersive Hamilton themed role-play hotel? Like a two-day adult camp locked inside the Hamilton Grange NM? https://www.nps.gov/hagr/index.htm

Would we be permitted to compare that to SWGC? Just checking....

What if it was held at Williamsburg, VA? No wait...that has fresh air...and I don't predict many would jump on the opportunity to authentically live without toilets and plumbing for 3 days,...

Although people DO freely choose to go camping....

hmm...maybe for two days...but maybe not in August...or January....

Okay, maybe we can't compare them. Come to think of it, what are the odds that the SW universe, in a galaxy far, far away, has exactly American style plumbing?

Come to think of it…I hope they don’t have the low water flushers…blue shrimp clogging wouldn’t smell good

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The math from @seascape is a better comparison here. All the "it's not the same" comparisons are missing the point of the original post too.

Based on that Super Bowl price picture, if you assume there are 60,000 seats with an average price of $6,000. That implies that there's 60,000 people out there willing to spend that much money on the item. In fact, since the tickets are hard to get, there must be way more than 60,000 people out there willing to do it. Assuming we ignore that it's an average and treat is as if every seat cost that much. Which isn't really true, but good enough for this. Events with no friction in a vacuum and all.

For the Starcruiser, there's a departure every other day, 182 a year. I think we said it was 100 rooms. At 4 people per room, that's 182*100*4=72,800 people a year to max out.

If a Starcruiser voyage is as popular as Super Bowl tickets, then there should be plenty of people who can afford it. People who are already willing to spend that much money for a shorter event.

If it's less popular, then not as many.

But really, I think all the original poster was pointing out is that there's lots of people willing to spend $6,000 for an event that offers even less duration and amenities than a Starcruiser voyage. Different entertainment, so it's not a direct comparison. Just that those people do exist.

Lots and lots of people on this thread are not those people. But, a few are.

So then the fact it appears there’s pretty good availability now…when it’s shiny (concrete-y)…forebodes well since this is a “super bowl” that has to run every 2 days in perpetuity?

some people were always gonna pay…mostly Star Wars nostalgist and Disney sycophants up front…I’m much more interested what’s going on in say…18 months? Summer 2023?

I noticed that there are going to allow this to be booked with DVC points also? That’s a very rotten tea leaf if you’re Disney.

still gotta see what we got here

 

[mmascari]

So then the fact it appears there’s pretty good availability now…when it’s shiny (oconcrete-y)…forebodes well since this is a “super bowl” that has to run ever 2 days in perpetuity?

The comparison was just that the people exist willing to pay that much for less. Not that they would actually pay for this one.

I noticed that there are going to allow this to be booked with DVC points also? That’s a very rotten tea leaf if you’re Disney.

Someone posted the math showing the dollar value of DVC points used to pay for this. It was a very good deal for Disney. Not so much for the points owner.

 

[Cesar R M]

Not really -- I'm sure it's all FDA-approved food-safe dyes.

wooooosh XD

 

[seascape]

So then the fact it appears there’s pretty good availability now…when it’s shiny (concrete-y)…forebodes well since this is a “super bowl” that has to run ever 2 days in perpetuity?

some people were always gonna pay…mostly Star Wars nostalgist and Disney sycophants up front…I’m much more interested what’s going on in say…18 months? Summer 2023?

I noticed that there are going to allow this to be booked with DVC points also? That’s a very rotten tea leaf if you’re Disney.

still gotta see what we got here

Using DVC points is a horrible use of them. It is much better to rent your DVC points and pay cash. I hate to say it, but some DVC owners are just ignorant on what their points are worth. Never use your points for this or a cruise.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Someone posted the math showing the dollar value of DVC points used to pay for this. It was a very good deal for Disney. Not so much for the points owner.

“Street value” on a given day for DVC points is always murky…but…

i would expect it’s ridiculous. Disney cruise line on DVC points is always a ripoff. You “pay more” because you paid the money long ago…the Classic “anti discount”

i expected that with this as well. But as with everything: if they could book this cash, DVC points wouldn’t be accepted.

 

[Cesar R M]

You know, we haven't confirmed how in-universe plumbing works - might be the three seashells.
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SPACE seashells

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

You know, we haven't confirmed how in-universe plumbing works - might be the three seashells.
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I think I do not want to share a public restroom right after a drunken Wookie has done his business.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Using DVC points is a horrible use of them. It is much better to rent your DVC points and pay cash. I hate to say it, but some DVC owners are just ignorant on what their points are worth. Never use your points for this or a cruise.

Of course it would be…DVC “premium” bookings are all a ripoff.

why it’s better to keep it simple: “I’m using ___ points a night to stay at ____ Hotel instead of paying $____”

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