RobWDW1971
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Literally never. The idea that Star Wars fans hated Jedi en masse in 1983 is simply ludicrous.
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Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS
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Literally never. The idea that Star Wars fans hated Jedi en masse in 1983 is simply ludicrous.
Wendy Pleakley
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Would it matter, or register, if I pointed out that it's not so black and white? No one is saying Jedi was hated en masse, just that it's a movie with some glaring flaws and demonstrates that making a universally beloved Star Wars movie isn't as simple as some people seem to think.
I also wouldn't cite Princess Leia as a defense of the movie. Putting a pretty girl in a bikini isn't exactly what I would call a smart or original way to appeal to audiences.
RobWDW1971
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Oh, it was an AMAZING way to appeal to audiences and fans loved it and it is an iconic part of the Star Wars legacy (hence why so many women dressing up like her at every Comic Con, Star Wars convention, etc.) Speaking as a young man in 1983, sorry, not sorry.
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Sirwalterraleigh
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I don’t know if it’s possible...but I agree with both of your points.
It is not a thing to promote now...though we are kidding ourselves if it isn’t still isn’t done every day.
Captain marvel and black widow need to wear skin tight leather and walk out of the bathroom after a shower, huh??
But on the other hand...Fisher was amazing - strong, beautiful...a kind of sultry maturation in that movie...she went from whiny to legendary over that trilogy just as hamill did.
There is a strength in that character the bikini weirdly reinforced. And in that time and space...it was great.
One of the worst things about the new “trilogy” (DT) is that Fisher was simply gone. Couldn't even say her lines due to plastic surgery. It actually diminishes her character...
It’s a shame really...sequels shoulda been in 1999...
Disney didn’t have much to work with there and made the wrong choice
And that ROJ poster...boy is it iconic. And not because of the bikini.
It just was so well done. Something about the craftsmanship of every who worked on those films in much simpler times just never goes away. The newer stuff is just a hollow facsimile/replication. Because the characters and story conflicts just haven’t been good enough.
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GenerationX
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As I recall, Return of the Jedi was very well-received even by casual fans, myself included. There was criticism of the Ewoks, and it was viewed as the worst of the three movies, but it was still lauded. Oddly, Rise of Skywalker and Revenge of the Sith, while inferior movies, have one thing on Return of the Jedi: they represent the best movies of their respective trilogies.
erasure fan1
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First off, celebration chicago sold out in a couple hours and had an estimated 65 thousand in attendance. Thats a bit more than 10. The debate was about fatigue and how RoS was down because of it. While you are right that you need millions of the general public to see it. You also need the big fans to go multiple, multiple times. The demand for events like celebration, is evidence that the only real fatigue, is mediocre star wars fatigue. From what it looks like, the general audience showed up. The problem was repeat viewings, especially from the super fans. But those same fans can spend thousands to get to celebration.
erasure fan1
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If Leia ran around the whole movie in skimpy revealing clothes the whole movie, I might agree with you. Jabba was a character from the first movie. It's not like they concocted the whole Jabbas palace scene only to get Leia in a bikini. It made sense to me that if the most vile gangster in the galaxy took a woman as a slave, he would make her dress like that. Did that make her character weak? Heck no! She took her chains, offed Jabba, and recued herself. That's why so many woman cossplay that like @RobWDW1971 said. Sorry, I just can't get behind your statement.
sedati
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I remember the "bunch of Muppets," insult to ROTJ back in the day which always baffled me as Muppets are clearly awesome. But I was at just the right age for Jedi and it was my favorite of the trilogy back then.
I also remember an older friend tearing down my beloved AT-ATs, explaining how that whole Hoth battle in Empire was ludicrous. In the same film that introduced Tie-Bombers they attack the fleeing rebels in the slowest, most convoluted way conceivable.
Back then we obsessed over what we loved and let slide the things that didn't. Now some seem fully devoted to the opposite.
I'm finally finishing up Rebels. I've played Vader Immortal multiple times. I wish I had a system I could play Jedi Outcast on. There's tons of good books I need to get caught up on. I'm going to see ROS again this week. I've watched every episode of Mandalorian at least twice. I have two loose plans forming for when I can get down to finally see Batuu in person. Looking forward to more Mandalorian, Cassian, and Kenobi (my favorite character- my second favorite is Rey.) There's comics I keep having recommended, and am thinking of jumping into some of those especially Doctor Aphra. I stopped buying any merch (except for Art Of books) due to budget and space, but do find myself perusing the racks often.
This is a good time to be a Star Wars fan.
I also remember an older friend tearing down my beloved AT-ATs, explaining how that whole Hoth battle in Empire was ludicrous. In the same film that introduced Tie-Bombers they attack the fleeing rebels in the slowest, most convoluted way conceivable.
Back then we obsessed over what we loved and let slide the things that didn't. Now some seem fully devoted to the opposite.
I'm finally finishing up Rebels. I've played Vader Immortal multiple times. I wish I had a system I could play Jedi Outcast on. There's tons of good books I need to get caught up on. I'm going to see ROS again this week. I've watched every episode of Mandalorian at least twice. I have two loose plans forming for when I can get down to finally see Batuu in person. Looking forward to more Mandalorian, Cassian, and Kenobi (my favorite character- my second favorite is Rey.) There's comics I keep having recommended, and am thinking of jumping into some of those especially Doctor Aphra. I stopped buying any merch (except for Art Of books) due to budget and space, but do find myself perusing the racks often.
This is a good time to be a Star Wars fan.
Wendy Pleakley
Well-Known Member
My point was that when people complain about what Abrams and Johnson brought to the table, and then want to cite Jedi as the better movie, telling us that Leia in a bikini made the movie great doesn't fly. There's nothing particular original or clever in doing that. If you want to argue those other points about what her character did, that's different than what was said - basically that Leia in a bikini is hot.
Wendy Pleakley
Well-Known Member
Did Celebration generate 900+ million in revenue, and therefore the new movie failing to reach those levels is reflective of a poor product?
Did those 65,000 people who went to Celebration not go see Rise of Skywalker?
I'd say RoS has sold a minimum of 18 million tickets, so I really don't see the significance of these 65,000 fans, who may or may not have been repeat viewers of the film.
If 50 million people went to Celebration, but the movie only sold 18 million tickets, then this comparison would mean something. Otherwise, it's pointless.
Tony Perkis
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Good Christ, you live in your own world.
RobWDW1971
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And she really, really was. Just an added bonus to a great movie. Oh, and she murdered Jabba wearing the bikini and once again saved the day - ah, the good ol' days....
Meanwhile, back to Rose Tico saving dinosaur racehorses in Vegas...or something.
RobWDW1971
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That poster instantly sums up the difference - great, iconic characters that defined the saga and an era. The current knock off versions are just like the Muppet Babies - cartoony, younger versions of the real characters.
When you consider that movie had:
Darth Vader vs. Kylo Ren
Luke Skywalker vs. Rey Palpatine
Han Solo vs. Poe Dameron
Princess Leia vs. Finn/Rose Tico/Space Jesus Leia, take your pick
The Emperor who's final scene had dramatic weight with the arc over the last two movies vs. Well, The Emperor who pops up out of nowhere in the third move of a saga to just repeat the third act of Jedi
Jabba the Hutt vs. Anybody?
Young, sexy Lando vs. Old, bloated "I'm here for the nostalgia/paycheck" Lando
Yeah, one is iconic and one is just a sad, copy of a copy of a copy with nothing interesting or new to add. But hey, Luke milks a space cow, so, um, there's that.
(Oh, and Rogue One and The Mandalorian were great, so this isn't about not wanting new Star Wars, which of course is the nonsensical response you will hear. Good Star Wars is good. Crappy Star Wars is, well, the Disney Saga that is mercifully over and soon forgotten.)
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That world must orbit in a similar apogee to the one where last Jedi was good for Star Wars in any way possible, huh?
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
Of course you don't see it. It can't be Disney made meh movies right. Celebration is a gauge of interest, it's not something to compare financially like you keep saying. The funny thing is, I would bet that if celebration didn't sell out, and was of the lowest attended in its history. You would be letting everyone know that was proof of fatigue.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Pro-Disney spin....meh.
I’ve seen every possible explanation bandied about here as to why the three “sequels” wanted by Star Wars fans world wide - the majority of them baby boomers and gen xers still very much alive - dropped in in revenue by 37% and then another 15% or so from 1 to 2 to 3....
...except that Disney just screwed it up and made bad movies.
The silliest - of course - is that you can have “fatigue” in the foundation modern Hollywood blockbuster in 5 years...
...while the former geeklands known as marvel comics generates more money and following as they pump movies out like rabbits over 12 years.
Perhaps one is really good...and one is really bad?
Perish the thought
LSLS
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Honestly it's pretty interesting watching attacks on a 35 year old movie to justify the financials of the current movies. As I was like 2 at the time, I have no way of knowing what the receptions were. But I will say this. If you think the Disney goal is to make a movie/trilogy that may not be loved or make the most money now in hopes that it will be looked back on fondly in 35 years, you have 0 idea of how Disney currently works.
sedati
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From another thread. Here's Rey resonating with fans in a not empty land.
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Mike S
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And yet, people can still not care.
Go figure.
Edit: I saw that post last night and didn’t really think much of it. Cool little thing some people did. No one really said anything negative about it there so you decided to bring it here in this context and see what you’d get. Really says a lot.
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sedati
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Of... course... as is the case with literally everything ever.