Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS

RobWDW1971

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Kathleen Kennedy after the sequel trilogy View attachment 442144

I think it is actually terrible timing for Kennedy that the Mandalorian came out now - because it is nearly universally praised, it completely destroys their idiotic straw man arguments about "fans not wanting anything new", "only wanting OT characters", "don't like to see strong women characters", "don't like diverse characters", etc, etc. Notice how we are hearing so little of that nonsense as ROS is being criticized.

No, Kathleen, we just want good movies from people who understand the brand and your movies are terrible.

She must feel humiliated by what Favreau and soon Waititi will do with the franchise. But for Star Wars fans, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
 
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MisterPenguin

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I'm still waiting for more official numbers. There has been talk they nearly doubled the production costs (which seems pretty far fetched to me admittedly).

That number came out after the movie hit theaters. It isn't an early number that reflected an earlier state of production.
 

RobWDW1971

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I'm still waiting for more official numbers. There has been talk they nearly doubled the production costs (which seems pretty far fetched to me admittedly).
If you believe from Wikipedia that Rise of Skywalker had the same production cost as Solo, well, then I don't know what to say.

And I don't even understand the response - are they saying that Wiki showing it as #7 of all time of the thousands of movies ever made in the history of cinema is a counterargument to my comment of "one of the most expensive movies of all time"? Uh, OK.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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The final 45 minutes or so of Jedi are generally great, but the movie does so much wrong that the whole thing gets dragged down.

This article was eye opening for me in terms of highlighting its' flaws.

50 REASONS WHY RETURN OF THE JEDI SUCKS

Jedi was flamed to defend the awful prequels...no one save for some salty critics claimed it sucked prior.

The same excuse smoke screen seems to be rolling out again. Right on cue
 
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Mike S

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Rise of Skywalker made over 1 billion. Fandom Menace failed, no matter how they try to spin.

Over 1 billion without the help of China, is impressive anyway you slice it.
You really don’t think for the type of movie it is that’s a bit low?

1. It’s a main Star Wars movie, the grandfather of all big hype franchises.

2. It’s the conclusion of the current trilogy.

3. It’s the conclusion of the whole saga.

4. A ton of marketing was put behind it.

5. It’ll end up just below or just above Rogue One, a spin-off.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

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You really don’t think for the type of movie it is that’s a bit low?

1. It’s a a main Star Wars movie, the grandfather of all big hype franchises.

2. It’s the conclusion of the current trilogy.

3. It’s the conclusion of the whole saga.

4. A ton of marketing was put behind it.

5. It’ll end up just below or just above Rogue One, a spin-off.

Phantom menace is like 19th in the list Adjusted gross. 9 wont crack top 75?

So if phantom menace sucked...how could 9 not by that non-logic?

the reality is all of it has sucked. Star Wars makes money...doesn’t mean that makes them successes by default. Much higher stakes than first run box office for that franchise
 

Wendy Pleakley

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Jedi was flamed to defend the awful prequels...no one save for some salty critics claimed it sucked prior.

The same excuse smoke screen seems to be rolling out again. Right on cue

Said in response to a critique of Jedi originally published in 1997, before the prequels were released.

Then dismissed by a nonsense idea that criticizing Jedi was somehow a technique to defend the prequels? What? The prequels were harshly criticized.

Jedi is a flawed movie with some really bad elements. The criticisms are valid and have nothing to do with any other movie.
 

erasure fan1

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This article was eye opening for me in terms of highlighting its' flaws.

50 REASONS WHY RETURN OF THE JEDI SUCKS
I really believe just about any movie you can create this same type of list. I mean really, you are blaming RotJ that Leia says she remembered her mom? How is that a problem with the film? It's a problem with the prequels not ep6. The movie isn't perfect, by any means. And I do think empire is the better film but Return of the jedi is still my favorite. This just seems to be a lot of nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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Yes, it is a bit low.

Wow, did we just sum up the over two thousand posts on this thread?
...it’s Star Wars...the fact it’s ever “low” is a big deal...

I’m sure there’s a pre-trip report about excitement for runaway railway if you want to get “deep” on a conversation
 

Wendy Pleakley

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I really believe just about any movie you can create this same type of list. I mean really, you are blaming RotJ that Leia says she remembered her mom? How is that a problem with the film? It's a problem with the prequels not ep6. The movie isn't perfect, by any means. And I do think empire is the better film but Return of the jedi is still my favorite. This just seems to be a lot of nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking.

Some of it is nitpicking for sure, but a lot of it isn't. The attempts at comedy are really bad. They destroyed the Millenium Falcon because they decided using Matte paintings would look just as good, and we subsequently get Lando walking towards what is obviously a painting. That level of cheapness isn't what I'd expect from Star Wars, and that's just one example. Again, this is a movie that is redeemed by a great final act, but it's also a movie in which Luke Skywalker, Jedi Knight, can't escape from a net and is almost incinerated by Ewoks.

One point of this is, it's not as easy to make a perfect Star Wars movie as so many people think. For a franchise that arguably had two good movies, and four lesser ones, the expectations for the new films was set impossibly high.

And if you think that's too much nitpicking towards Jedi, I'll remind you people are still complaining about what Holdo is wearing and the lack of a proper send off for a guy in a fish mask, two years later.

I like Jedi despite its' flaws, just as I like the new films in the same way. A lot of people would be happier if they could enjoy the movies more for what they are, and lose the intense hatred over what they aren't.
 
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Wendy Pleakley

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Man it's hard because I still really like the movie. But man it has so much lost potential. Honestly that's the sequel trilogy in a nut shell. So much lost potential. I hope the High Republic Trilogy with Yoda and Darth Bane is good!

Most movies are imperfect, even *gasp* Star Wars.

For me, it's about enjoying the good while still acknowledging what I didn't like, and trying not to turn into one of those losers who spews out immature tirades every day for two years, because The Last Jedi wasn't exactly what they wanted.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
So many excuses...apparently so much time to make them.

The original trilogy wasn’t good...that’s apparently where this was going....???

That’s how nobody gets sad when they look at their collections of magic bands - I guess?

(I’m typing this from Diagon Alley...first time in universal since 2001. And while the simulators get old...the detail of the potter lands is at least as good as any Disney development. And the movies reinforce the land/vice versa

That is NOT what happened in abramsland.

But go ahead and put lipstick on it)
 
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Animaniac93-98

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The current estimate puts this movie at $494 million domestically by MLK Monday. $7 million less than Rogue One (which had a better holiday weekend) by the same time. RotS now seems guaranteed to make less than that movie in the US. With an $11 million foreign weekend, it also looks like the movie is effectively done its box office run and will probably not hit $1.1 billion worldwide.

Making $250+ million less than Last Jedi worldwide was not what I was expecting a year ago. If someone had told me the Aladdin remake and Star Wars IX were going to make about the same amount of money I would have thought they were crazy given how badly the teaser for Aladdin was received and how much hype there was for Star Wars.

Disney is probably relieved that it did hit a billion worldwide so they can still hype that achievement, but I don't think they're happy that Olaf turned out to be a more popular character than Rey or Kylo Ren with 2019 general audiences.
 

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