Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS

[Wendy Pleakley]

Things i cant get my head around...

- why cant they figure out how to do nods to older stuff without being so cheezy? “I got a bad feeling...” has been ruined by this triology
- how does 20 something rey... has mid twenties something parents.. from a dude who was already like 65 when leia is like 50... and is the daughter of someone who was like 8 when palpatine was like 65. Id love to see the “hard numbers” on this...
- scale loses all its value when you over do it (see fleet sizes)
- first half of the movie is “hey we just got here... “ 5 second later “ok, we now have to go here..” repeat
- how does leia know about the spawn of the emperor but no one else does? Luke and lando chase down the killer but nothing is tied to rey... but they know about her? All pretty convoluted
- yet another planet killer? Yawnnnnnn
- life force... just a cheezy trapdoor for writing if they keep using it so much
- why does leia suddenly die? Was she sick in the prior scene?


I call it a star wars smorgasbord. Will take a lot of time to digest. I do like the high level line they took in the end... and palepetine... but for fs... the number of “come on...” moments you cant even count anymore.

"I've got a bad feeling" is a signature line for some reason. I guess they can't not include it. It was hidden as a BB-8 line in TLJ.

I wonder why they didn't do the virgin birth route again with Rey, like it was implied the Emperor created Anakin. The Emperor having children and a grandchild seemed to come out of nowhere.

Leia died, I think, as they indicated she would have to expend a ton of energy to reach out to Kylo. I guess she used the force to facilitate the Han/Ben reunion, and died like Luke did in TLJ.

 

[Mike S]

Look... we know it was special effects of the time... but my point is the same. Dont look at big explosion to mean vaporized... even in reality (let along space fantasy) thats not how it goes.

To me it just seems like the explosion of all the Kyber Crystals and the system that powers the death laser was enough to vaporize the thing as we never saw any hints of wreckage in space before. Normally this would be a small thing if the movie was actually good but with the movie as messy as it is it makes stuff like this just stick out even more to me. Plus, it’s obvious it was put in just for the memberberries along with Palpatine. Jeez South Park warned us so long ago right after The Force Awakens was getting all of its praise and I just blinded myself to it thinking “nah, the rest of it is going to be great just watch and see!”

I’m just disappointed more than anything. This trilogy could’ve been amazing.

"I've got a bad feeling" is a signature line for some reason. I guess they can't not include it. It was hidden as a BB-8 line in TLJ.

I wonder why they didn't do the virgin birth route again with Rey, like it was implied the Emperor created Anakin. The Emperor having children and a grandchild seemed to come out of nowhere.

Leia died, I think, as they indicated she would have to expend a ton of energy to reach out to Kylo. I guess she used the force to facilitate the Han/Ben reunion, and died like Luke did in TLJ.

Especially now after seeing this movie it’s even more apparent that The Last Jedi should’ve been edited so that Leia died when she was sucked into space and given a funeral in that movie. Then they could’ve kept Luke around for 9 as the Jedi Master teaching Rey and yes he could’ve died in this one if they wanted to give him a more proper end.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

To me it just seems like the explosion of all the Kyber Crystals and the system that powers the death laser was enough to vaporize the thing as we never saw any hints of wreckage in space before. Normally this would be a small thing if the movie was actually good but with the movie as messy as it is it makes stuff like this just stick out even more to me. Plus, it’s obvious it was put in just for the memberberries along with Palpatine. Jeez South Park warned us so long ago right after The Force Awakens was getting all of its praise and I just blinded myself to it thinking “nah, the rest of it is going to be great just watch and see!”

I’m just disappointed more than anything. This trilogy could’ve been amazing.

Especially now after seeing this movie it’s even more apparent that The Last Jedi should’ve been edited so that Leia died when she was sucked into space and then keep Luke around for 9 as the Jedi Master teaching Rey and yes he could’ve died in this one if they wanted to give him a proper hero’s end.

I guess we could spend 10 pages debating how much Death Star wreckage would remain (oh, who am I kidding, we're definitely doing that), but my last word (maybe) on the subject will be: I can buy some wreckage remaining, but that thing was clearly vaporized. The wreckage in this movie consists of huge chunks of the station.

This is not bits and pieces, this implies the Death Star broke into large chunks, which was clearly not the case. How could that explosion have resulted in this?

I was surprised they didn't tweak TLJ to keep Luke alive, so he could have been given the story elements meant for Leia in RoS and confronted Ben. Bringing back Han was emotionally satisfying, so it worked out okay though.

No way they should changed TLJ to kill Leia early on though. I agree with the filmmakers not to just edit out Carrie Fisher's final performance, and as they said, there was no way they were going to take out the Luke & Leia reunion.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Discussion is great. There's good and bad in any movie. The comment from Timmay that resonates is the "Over and over and over" part.

There's at least one person who appears to spend every waking minute of his life complaining about Star Wars in these threads again and again and again. It really crosses from even "get a life" territory to an unhealthy compulsiveness.

I wish your employer gave you the flexibility mine does

And the comments were all about the dangerous management of Star Wars and now that’s settled. I’ll get you an annotated version so I don’t waste more board time

Want to talk about the new crappy DVC now?

 

[Rich Brownn]

Rise of Skywalker and this trilogy as a whole is a prime example of why it’s so important to have a solid outline of where you want to go with a story and its characters. There was plenty to like, but also a lot that just didn’t make sense.

Its even more important to have decent writers. Lucas made the original trilogy pretty much up as he went along (hence some real inconstancy) but he had decent writers to craft it into a good screenplay and the ability to say "no, George".
The prequels are what we got when there was no one to say "No, George"

 

[Tony Perkis]

Hold tight, I’ve called the ambulance and it’s on the way...don’t lay down...head traumas are very dangerous and I don’t want you to lose consciousness.

I’ve gone on record on this one several times. I think The Last Jedi is outstanding. I really don’t care how loud and annoying its detractors are.

 

[Tony Perkis]

Another good article.

The 23 Worst Parts of 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker'

This movie is a mess in a lot of different ways

www.thewrap.com

Fixed that for you.

You overstate how important Dave Folini is to SW.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ve gone on record on this one several times. I think The Last Jedi is outstanding. I really don’t care how loud and annoying it’s detractors are.

Opinions vary...

Do you think Disney cares?

 

[Mike S]

I guess we could spend 10 pages debating how much Death Star wreckage would remain (oh, who am I kidding, we're definitely doing that), but my last word (maybe) on the subject will be: I can buy some wreckage remaining, but that thing was clearly vaporized. The wreckage in this movie consists of huge chunks of the station.

This is not bits and pieces, this implies the Death Star broke into large chunks, which was clearly not the case. How could that explosion have resulted in this?

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I was surprised they didn't tweak TLJ to keep Luke alive, so he could have been given the story elements meant for Leia in RoS and confronted Ben. Bringing back Han was emotionally satisfying, so it worked out okay though.

No way they should changed TLJ to kill Leia early on though. I agree with the filmmakers not to just edit out Carrie Fisher's final performance, and as they said, there was no way they were going to take out the Luke & Leia reunion.

I guess the best course of action was an off screen death for Leia then even if it would’ve felt a bit cheap

Its even more important to have decent writers. Lucas made the original trilogy pretty much up as he went along (hence some real inconstancy) but he had decent writers to craft it into a good screenplay and the ability to say "no, George".
The prequels are what we got when there was no one to say "No, George"

At least with the Prequels we have a consistent and somewhat satisfying overall story even if the dialogue leaves a lot to be desired. I really can’t say that for the sequels. It’s a mess of wildly different and competing visions. Even 7 & 9 from the same guy feel wildly different from each other!

You overstate how important Dave Folini is to SW.

All I know is that team are the only ones making good Star Wars right now at least until the Obi Wan series comes out.

 

[Mike S]

Found a comparison video of one of the things I brought up in my initial post and my god it’s like they didn’t even try to hide it...

This is really blatant right down to the pauses between words. I wouldn’t be surprised if this was part of the many rumored reshoots to try and give this movie a big ending. I laughed in the theater because it just reeked of desperation.

 

[BrianLo]

Another thing I can't wrap my head around is that Palpatine directly told Rey that if she killed him, he would possess her body/ become part of her. Are we to believe in the aftermath of her victory that in the next trilogy Rey will turn to the dark side?

I think in the end she didn’t ‘kill him’. It was the deflection of his own power that consumed him.

 

[Wngo905]

I think in the end she didn’t ‘kill him’. It was the deflection of his own power that consumed him.

That is the way I took it too. Rey made Pal kill himself with his own power. It won't transfer all of the Sith and his power to Rey.

 

[BrianLo]

Plus, it’s obvious it was put in just for the memberberries along with Palpatine. Jeez South Park warned us so long ago right after The Force Awakens was getting all of its praise and I just blinded myself to it thinking “nah, the rest of it is going to be great just watch and see!”

See my issue with memberberries is that it is all consumptive as long as what that individual likes. Everyone pretends they don’t want to be spoon fed the same thing over and over and yet they do.

Just look to RoTR. Pretty widely agreed on is a great attraction. Designed around the new trilogy. But what do people senselessly demand? Slathering it in more nostalgia by needlessly overlaying characters.

I have nothing against pent up demand for an E-ticket set around the Episode 4-6 timeframe, but one designed for it! Not just one slathered in memberberries.

 

[Mike S]

See my issue with memberberries is that it is all consumptive as long as what that individual likes. Everyone pretends they don’t want to be spoon fed the same thing over and over and yet they do.

Just look to RoTR. Pretty widely agreed on is a great attraction. Designed around the new trilogy. But what do people senselessly demand? Slathering it in more nostalgia by needlessly overlaying characters.

I have nothing against pent up demand for an E-ticket set around the Episode 4-6 timeframe, but one designed for it! Not just one slathered in memberberries.

Because this new trilogy stinks and we all know the Disney board isn’t going to approve another Star Wars attraction of RotR’s scale after this whole mess. Remember, the board were the ones who pushed for the grander version of Star Wars Land way back when. When you consider it’s an actual thing that’s rumored to be in discussion, well, bring it on. If that last bit wasn’t the case there would be a fair bit less people talking about it myself included.

 

[BrianLo]

Because this new trilogy stinks and we all know the Disney board isn’t going to approve another Star Wars attraction of RotR’s scale after this whole mess. Remember, the board were the ones who pushed for the grander version of Star Wars Land way back when. When you consider it’s an actual thing that’s rumored to be in discussion, well, bring it on. If that last bit wasn’t the case there would be a fair bit less people talking about it myself included.

I take no issue with you wanting that. As long as you acknowledge that we are all equally guilty of lapping up their nostalgia. Disney gives it to us in every way and I’m just as guilty.

The ‘memberberries’ phenomenon seems to be a problem everyone shares in one way or another. The sheer fact that all people want is the OT is actually more gravely sending them the wrong messaging.

 

[Epcot_Imagineer]

I am just coming to this thread to say I liked it. I think that the sequels were better than the prequels... there were glaring issues with both but at least the dialogue in the sequels was palatable. Were there plot holes? Yes. Were there things that didn't make sense in a lore sense? Yes, almost every hyperspace scene in the sequels. But in all, it hit all of the beats I needed. Nothing will seemingly ever come close to 4, 5, and 6, but these were good enough to satisfy me. I think that's all I have to say about the matter; I could argue all day about how force powers shouldn't work like that, how hyperspace doesn't work like that, asking how Palpatine survived, but there were glaring questions like that about other things in the OT/Prequels.

 

[Mike S]

I take no issue with you wanting that. As long as you acknowledge that we are all equally guilty of lapping up their nostalgia. Disney gives it to us in every way and I’m just as guilty.

The ‘memberberries’ phenomenon seems to be a problem everyone shares in one way or another. The sheer fact that all people want is the OT is actually more gravely sending them the wrong messaging.

In this movie it felt wrong because it just really didn’t feel right. It felt like stupid pandering and just trying to reel people in. There’s a right way to do it I feel and this movie just failed at it. It was blatantly obvious what they were trying to do with it. The reason all people seem to want is the OT isn’t just rejecting the new. It’s because what they have made that’s new doesn’t measure up. In an alternate universe where the sequel trilogy was handled differently and the OT heroes got at the very least one last adventure together (along with introducing our new heroes) in Episode 7 ending with the death of Han and then the passing of the torch through 8 & fully culminating in 9 this discussion isn’t happening. Hopefully in that universe there were also no Death Planets or Death Star Destroyers. That last one really hit me with this movie. Really, why did that need to be in there. It’s boring at this point.

 

[Indy_UK]

Probably been covered but here’s all my questions:

1. How did Palpatine come back to life?
2. Did he create Rey like Anakin was born and her parents were just random people who had her?
3. Where did the yellow sabre come from?

I did enjoy the movie but what I didn’t like was millions of ships ready to fight the Last order and it doesn’t actually happen? I was expecting the battle of all battles. Rogue one still has the best space battle

 

[MisterPenguin]

Probably been covered but here’s all my questions:

1. How did Palpatine come back to life?
2. Did he create Rey like Anakin was born and her parents were just random people who had her?
3. Where did the yellow sabre come from?

I did enjoy the movie but what I didn’t like was millions of ships ready to fight the Last order and it doesn’t actually happen? I was expecting the battle of all battles. Rogue one still has the best space battle

1. Falls don't kill Force users. Even when cut in half. Palpatine. Maul. Luke. Kylo.

2. I presume Rey was born naturally, with natural Force-talent from her grandfather that was amplified by him after her birth, priming her to be his new joined-vessel. He talked about how the Sith had unnatural powers, and transfering life-essence seems to be one of them.

3. It looked more white to me <shrug>. Anyway, we presume Rey finally made her own and there was a time jump between the end-of-war celebration and her steading the Skywalker home.

 

[Tony Perkis]

1. Falls don't kill Force users. Even when cut in half. Palpatine. Maul. Luke. Kylo.

He literally exploded in ROTJ.