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Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS
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‘Star Wars’ Future Will Be ‘Television,’ ‘Mandalorian’ Spinoff Shows Possible
Disney chief Bob Iger discusses possible "The Mandalorian" spinoff shows and the future of "Star Wars."
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sedati
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MCU average gross: $982,193,696
Kathleen Kennedy produced Star Wars average gross: $1,181,666,197
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Kathleen Kennedy produced Star Wars average gross: $1,181,666,197
Marvel Cinematic Universe Franchise Box Office History - The Numbers
Marvel Cinematic Universe franchise box office earnings
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Star Wars Franchise Box Office History - The Numbers
Star Wars franchise box office earnings
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Mike S
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No Marvel movie actually lost money though...MCU average gross: $982,193,696
Kathleen Kennedy produced Star Wars average gross: $1,181,666,197
Marvel Cinematic Universe Franchise Box Office History - The Numbers
Marvel Cinematic Universe franchise box office earningsStar Wars Franchise Box Office History - The Numbers
Star Wars franchise box office earnings
And the grand conclusion actually got people excited so
While we’re at it let’s also bring up that Marvel is so successful they put out over 20 films with no sign of slowing down but Star Wars needs a break to focus on TV after only 5 with there being talk of “franchise fatigue.” Uh huh, sure. Also that average is remarkable for a series so big compared to one much smaller.
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LSLS
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MCU average gross: $982,193,696
Kathleen Kennedy produced Star Wars average gross: $1,181,666,197
Marvel Cinematic Universe Franchise Box Office History - The Numbers
Marvel Cinematic Universe franchise box office earningsStar Wars Franchise Box Office History - The Numbers
Star Wars franchise box office earnings
Haha, that is some world class cherry picking there.
erasure fan1
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Yes, not only is it remarkable, it might never happen again. Anyone who thinks what Kennedy did with star wars. Is in any way greater than what Feige did with the MCU. Has their head up their bum. Feige has made Kennedy look like an amateur if you compare the two franchises.
Sirwalterraleigh
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MCU average gross: $982,193,696
Kathleen Kennedy produced Star Wars average gross: $1,181,666,197
Marvel Cinematic Universe Franchise Box Office History - The Numbers
Marvel Cinematic Universe franchise box office earningsStar Wars Franchise Box Office History - The Numbers
Star Wars franchise box office earnings
No Marvel movie actually lost money though...
And the grand conclusion actually got people excited so
While we’re at it let’s also bring up that Marvel is so successful they put out over 20 films with no sign of slowing down but Star Wars needs a break to focus on TV after only 5 with there being talk of “franchise fatigue.” Uh huh, sure. Also that average is remarkable for a series so big compared to one much smaller.
This is just silly...I can’t believe the holes in the comparison aren’t painfully obvious too everyone
The lack of insight on this is getting embarrassing as a collective group
sedati
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Wendy Pleakley
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Ouch, maybe Kennedy can take over the MCU when they fire Feige.
Feige has ruined Marvel! How incompetent must one be not to have every single Marvel movie earn $2.8 billion?!
He's destroyed the Marvel legacy by ruining the important characters. He turned Iron Man into a recluse and then killed him off. Disgraceful.
And let's not get started on how Marvel is all "woke" and pandering with their casting choices. Black Panther got his own movie, the new Captain America is black, and now we're getting a second movie with a female lead. Can't they just tell good stories and not try to shove all this diversity down our throats?
And if there were any doubt that the Marvel universe isn't on life support, now it's being relegated to television. Television!
(the above is all sarcasm, in case there was any doubt).
RobWDW1971
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One built an empire that didn’t exist from a ragtag group of characters (Iron Man, Guardians, Black Widow, Black Panther, Hawkeye?!) and one took an existing empire and milked it until it was void of any creative juice or excitement, living entirely off the goodwill from what came before.
This is just silly...I can’t believe the holes in the comparison aren’t painfully obvious too everyone
The lack of insight on this is getting embarrassing as a collective group
Slightly different “accomplishments”.
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Sirwalterraleigh
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Actually...you did a good job with “anti-sarcasm” there
Mike S
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Again, based on only 5 movies vs. over 20. Averages tend to lower the bigger the group is that you’re averaging. The fact it’s that close at all is phenomenal for Marvel.
easyrowrdw
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Not really. In a small sample, one value can skew the results more than a large sample.
What's the median? Can I get a standard deviation in here?
LSLS
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Hows the trend line look leading up into the great culmination? You know, the one that was behind 2 marvel movies for the year (and 5 others). The one that finished closer to A Wrinkle in Time at the box office than End Game.
Or, how have Marvel movies done in the same timeframe as Disney Star Wars?
Or you could compare the main Star Wars movies to the Main Avenger movies. Or, you could use data from the start of the MCU 12 years ago while letting the most anticipated film in 2 decades skew the Star Wars numbers.
But no, I'm sure a downward trend was exactly what Disney was hoping for out of their 5 movies so long as it can beat what their brand new franchise did over a decade ago.
erasure fan1
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In all seriousness, do you really think Kennedy has done a good job? And that what she has done with star wars is even close to what Feige has done with Marvel? Or is this just the pull the pin, drop the grenade and walk away tactic?
easyrowrdw
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I think that's a fair point. Both have varying quality and box office performance. Still, the overall reception to the Marvel movies has been more positive than the new Star Wars movies. I do think Star Wars is held to a higher standard, though (and perhaps rightfully so).
I'd also compare Star Wars to Star Wars. I think the new Star Wars movies are about the same as the ones that came before Disney. One or two great movies, one or two okay to good movies, and at least one awful movie. Personal opinions will vary on which movies slot into which categories.
That being said, I can't figure out what Kennedy and Lucasfilm are trying to do with their movies. The many issues behind the scenes and inconsistent storytelling are reasons for me to think it's time for Disney to go another direction.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Take the first movie out - the gimme that had the luxury of a huge, dedicated fan base - and compute it again....
It ends up to be severely “meh”.
What is more relevant now? Anticipation for the 3 heroes coming back in 2015? Or the steady decline from that point since? Gimmicks and tricks aside...
Wendy Pleakley
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The MCU is a unique and impressive phenomena. There have been attempts at cinematic universes for the Universal monsters (the Tom Cruise Mummy movie), for King Kong and Godzilla, for DC comics, etc. No one has come close to duplicating that level of success (yet people here seem to think it's simple and easy).
When the MCU is set as the bar by which all other franchises are evaluated, they're all failures.
Star Wars under Disney/Kennedy could have done many things better, but I don't buy into the doom & gloom overview held by many. They re-launched the series with a movie that evoked the feeling of the original Star Wars and introduced characters that were immediately embraced. Casting and chemistry is important (looking at you, Anakin Skywalker x 2).
They over saturated the market. Again, MCU successfully having multiple hit movies in a single year, year after year, is impressive, but not the norm. There's a reason there's generally three years or more between movies in a franchise. Five Star Wars movies in five years was too much. Marvel manages it because the movies are diverse in style and story. Guardians is a different type of movie than Ant-Man and Doctor Strange. The Star Wars movies are too similar to keep audiences excited without a break.
It's also bizarre how people, with apparent sincerity, manage to criticize Kennedy when they don't like what JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson did, but also criticize her if they like what Jon Favreau delivered in the Mandalorian.
Wendy Pleakley
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It reminds me of a line the Onion published: “J.J. Abrams and Disney have ruined an incredible film saga that George Lucas ruined.”
I love Star Wars, but it's a franchise that has had mixed results since Empire was released in 1980. Why do people have impossibly high expectations? This isn't a franchise that suddenly went downhill after decades and decades of perfection. It's always been a mixed bag.
easyrowrdw
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The Box Office for Endgame is actually more of an outlier from the MCU than Force Awakens is for the new Star Wars. Even if you do remove TFA, the worldwide average is only $20 million below the entire MCU, with a higher median. (Yeah, I calculated it.
). Domestic gross is still higher for Star Wars by about $90 million.