Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS

[Sirwalterraleigh]

New enemies are tough times ahead. Doesn’t mean the hero’s can’t still act like heroes.

Any idea that the heroes were going to be embraced as shells of themselves was foolhardy at best...by Disney and the critics.

In another movie franchise - like fast and the frivolous - sure, knock yourself out and have a ride.

Star Wars just wasn’t in that category. It’s shocking they didn’t understand.

Now it might be...which means it’s value to Hollywood has plummeted.

 

[Mike S]

They did have an interesting chance with Luke’s exile. Instead of trying to learn some kind of hidden powerful force power what if he was seeking out the original texts because he suspected there was some info lost to the Jedi of the Prequel era in their hubris of what the Jedi are truly about? Like how to truly achieve a lasting balance like the 1,000 years before the Prequels where the Sith were almost extinct? Not some power but just the actual reason for their being? Someone who’d lost faith could potentially want to seek something like that out to restore their faith. Maybe with this knowledge he would’ve been willing to train another which is why he left the missing piece of the map in R2 and programmed him to only reactivate in the presence of one who could receive that training. He could’ve still been reluctant to rejoin the fight but maybe not totally crabby.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They did have an interesting chance with Luke’s exile. Instead of trying to learn some kind of hidden powerful force power what if he was seeking out the original texts because he suspected there was some info lost to the Jedi of the Prequel era in their hubris of what the Jedi are truly about? Like how to truly achieve a lasting balance like the 1,000 years before the Prequels where the Sith were almost extinct? Not some power but just the actual reason for their being? Someone who’d lost faith could potentially want to seek something like that out to restore their faith. Maybe with this knowledge he would’ve been willing to train another which is why he left the missing piece of the map in R2 and programmed him to only reactivate in the presence of one who could receive that training. He could’ve still been reluctant to rejoin the fight but maybe not totally crabby.

...or...he could’ve just been a bad@ss...leaving little room for error.

But whatevs

 

[erasure fan1]

They did have an interesting chance with Luke’s exile. Instead of trying to learn some kind of hidden powerful force power what if he was seeking out the original texts because he suspected there was some info lost to the Jedi of the Prequel era in their hubris of what the Jedi are truly about? Like how to truly achieve a lasting balance like the 1,000 years before the Prequels where the Sith were almost extinct? Not some power but just the actual reason for their being? Someone who’d lost faith could potentially want to seek something like that out to restore their faith. Maybe with this knowledge he would’ve been willing to train another which is why he left the missing piece of the map in R2 and programmed him to only reactivate in the presence of one who could receive that training. He could’ve still been reluctant to rejoin the fight but maybe not totally crabby.

Blah blah fan fiction blah blah blah!!!!

Yes, there are many other scenarios I would have preferred over I came to die Luke. I would expect him to be hesitant to jump back in. I would have expected him to be cautious of Rey. I would not have expected him to have given up on his friends and family to the extreme he did. And just because it wasn't expected, doesn't make it compelling cinema. And he needed to be over the whole I came to die stuff by the start of the 2nd act. Not drag it out the whole movie.

 

[erasure fan1]

...or...he could’ve just been a bad@ss...leaving little room for error.

But whatevs

I've said it before, but it's worth saying again. He should have caught the lightsaber on starkiller base and given Kylo a beat down. End of story.

 

[sedati]

New enemies are tough times ahead. Doesn’t mean the heroes can’t still act like heroes.

Which is why Link and Zelda will always fight the evil Gannon.
But imagine mixing that up for once.
Zelda vs Dark Link. I'd play that.

 

[Mike S]

Which is why Link and Zelda will always fight the evil Gannon.
But imagine mixing that up for once.
Zelda vs Dark Link. I'd play that.

Yeah. Link vs. Vaati and Link vs. Majora were pretty good.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I've said it before, but it's worth saying again. He should have caught the lightsaber on starkiller base and given Kylo a beat down. End of story.

...the actor...and a billion or so fans worldwide agree...

I’ll refer to the Michael Arndt interview again: the mandate was to marginalize the old characters in favor of the new researched demographics ones.

A prediction: daisy ridley will now disassociate herself from Star Wars just as hard as Natalie Portman did.

 

[easyrowrdw]

It's been two years and two movies later and people still can't stop discussing The Last Jedi. Crazy. I guess there's just not enough interesting in Rise.

A prediction: daisy ridley will now disassociate herself from Star Wars just as hard as Natalie Portman did.

There's something kind of related to Rise. I was wondering about Ridley's future. Of the original actors, Ford was really the only one who became a bonafide star. I saw that Adam Driver hosted SNL and now has two Oscar nominations so it seems like he's on his way. I haven't seen much from Ridley, though. I wonder if she'll be pigeonholed as Rey kind of like how Hamill was with Luke.

 

[Mike S]

There's something kind of related to Rise. I was wondering about Ridley's future. Of the original actors, Ford was really the only one who became a bonafide star. I saw that Adam Driver hosted SNL and now has two Oscar nominations so it seems like he's on his way. I haven't seen much from Ridley, though. I wonder if she'll be pigeonholed as Rey kind of like how Hamill was with Luke.

Hamill at least had his voice acting stuff that he still found plenty of success with. I don’t really see anything happening with Daisy except much smaller films.

 

[Screamface]

I’ll refer to the Michael Arndt interview again: the mandate was to marginalize the old characters in favor of the new researched demographics ones.

It's one thing to marginalise them, it's another to actively destroy the legacies of the characters. Which these films did so intentionally. I don't know what to believe about reports of Kathleen and her merry band of feminists who hated Luke. However, it seems pretty clear the intention of the trilogy was to remake Star Wars to be around Rey. Which could only be achieved by tearing down characters such as Luke.

We live in the era of, "Wouldn't it be great to remake *insert successful film* but this time to lead is a woman." This is entirely what Lucasfilm and Disney were doing but they didn't do it with a straight remake, they did it in sequels, altering the existing characters legacies, tearing them down and transferring everything to Rey.

Rey now has the Millenium Falcon, Chewie by her side, she's a Jedi and has the legacy Luke was meant to have had. She has even been given the iconic Skywalker name. The goal was to transfer the pop culture icon of Luke Skywalker to Rey Skywalker, remake Star Wars to be around her.

Now, there's nothing wrong with a female lead in the sequels, it's this destruction of the original lead done in order to prop her up. She's even given a more important and evil relative to show how much more important she is. She's the one who actually now defeats the bad guy of the original trilogies.

I think this also explains how unoriginal almost everything in the sequels is. It's a remake pretending to be a sequel. Almost nothing is original in these films. It's just a remake intended to rebuild the Star Wars franchise to be around a female character. If it wasn't, they'd have had an original story, not be tearing down the enduring legacies of existing characters, transferring icon aspects of original trilogy characters onto the new one.

 

[Tony Perkis]

It's one thing to marginalise them, it's another to actively destroy the legacies of the characters. Which these films did so intentionally. I don't know what to believe about reports of Kathleen and her merry band of feminists who hated Luke. However, it seems pretty clear the intention of the trilogy was to remake Star Wars to be around Rey. Which could only be achieved by tearing down characters such as Luke.

We live in the era of, "Wouldn't it be great to remake *insert successful film* but this time to lead is a woman." This is entirely what Lucasfilm and Disney were doing but they didn't do it with a straight remake, they did it in sequels, altering the existing characters legacies, tearing them down and transferring everything to Rey.

Rey now has the Millenium Falcon, Chewie by her side, she's a Jedi and has the legacy Luke was meant to have had. She has even been given the iconic Skywalker name. The goal was to transfer the pop culture icon of Luke Skywalker to Rey Skywalker, remake Star Wars to be around her.

Now, there's nothing wrong with a female lead in the sequels, it's this destruction of the original lead done in order to prop her up. She's even given a more important and evil relative to show how much more important she is. She's the one who actually now defeats the bad guy of the original trilogies.

I think this also explains how unoriginal almost everything in the sequels is. It's a remake pretending to be a sequel. Almost nothing is original in these films. It's just a remake intended to rebuild the Star Wars franchise to be around a female character. If it wasn't, they'd have had an original story, not be tearing down the enduring legacies of existing characters, transferring icon aspects of original trilogy characters onto the new one.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

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Couldn’t resist, could you, Keymaster?

 

[Tony Perkis]

Couldn’t resist, could you, Keymaster?

SJW whining is par for the course, gatekeeper.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It's one thing to marginalise them, it's another to actively destroy the legacies of the characters. Which these films did so intentionally. I don't know what to believe about reports of Kathleen and her merry band of feminists who hated Luke. However, it seems pretty clear the intention of the trilogy was to remake Star Wars to be around Rey. Which could only be achieved by tearing down characters such as Luke.

We live in the era of, "Wouldn't it be great to remake *insert successful film* but this time to lead is a woman." This is entirely what Lucasfilm and Disney were doing but they didn't do it with a straight remake, they did it in sequels, altering the existing characters legacies, tearing them down and transferring everything to Rey.

Rey now has the Millenium Falcon, Chewie by her side, she's a Jedi and has the legacy Luke was meant to have had. She has even been given the iconic Skywalker name. The goal was to transfer the pop culture icon of Luke Skywalker to Rey Skywalker, remake Star Wars to be around her.

Now, there's nothing wrong with a female lead in the sequels, it's this destruction of the original lead done in order to prop her up. She's even given a more important and evil relative to show how much more important she is. She's the one who actually now defeats the bad guy of the original trilogies.

I think this also explains how unoriginal almost everything in the sequels is. It's a remake pretending to be a sequel. Almost nothing is original in these films. It's just a remake intended to rebuild the Star Wars franchise to be around a female character. If it wasn't, they'd have had an original story, not be tearing down the enduring legacies of existing characters, transferring icon aspects of original trilogy characters onto the new one.

Well...I’ve been thinking about this for 5 years and I do disagree

Not about the screw up. They royally screwed up. Compete pooch screw.

But I never did...nor still do believe it is a “feminist conspiracy”

They obviously key on female characters and attempted to serve all demographics. That’s not really in dispute.
But I don’t think it was specifically to ram an “agenda” beyond marketing.

I think Disney thought they had more to work with than they did - ignoring the franchise erosion of the prequels that went deeper than money - and were way too flippant with their agenda. Their consumer studies determined the makeup of their cast demographics...they wanted to perpetually make money off product across a wider base and pursued that simple monetary objective. Cast the net more widely.

The problem is that they don’t understand Star Wars. Pretty obvious at every turn.

You can’t simply reboot Star Wars and swap in younger archetype characters...it goes against the bond the originals formed and their place in history. They should have revered them and then sent them out...they basically did the opposite.

What they TRIED to do is force the MCU...a huge cash of movies and cross promotional product opportunities that results in self-sustaining profits that are bankable. Captain marvel is going to make $200 million more than return of the abrams and it’s been complained about for over a year. That’s what they want: easy, mindless profit. No investment in the mythos.

But even if it HAD worked...it didn’t...they would still have the same problems as MCU: those actors would have wanted the jack sparrow paydays and would have caused franchise rot anyway...

But by then...Kennedy and bob will be gone. What do they care? They aren’t “from the family”...that’s the problem at the core. Like it or not.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

SJW whining is par for the course, gatekeeper.

It is...and it’s not correct. But engage in the discussion (hint: I just did)

 

[Screamface]

Well...I’ve been thinking about this for 5 years and I do disagree

Not about the screw up. They royally screwed up. Compete pooch screw.

But I never did...nor still do believe it is a “feminist conspiracy”
blems as MCU: those actors would have wanted the jack sparrow paydays and would have caused franchise rot anyway...

But by then...Kennedy and bob will be gone. What do they care? They aren’t “from the family”...that’s the problem at the core. Like it or not.

As I said, I don't know what to think about those leaks about KK and a merry band of feminists.

I still think the theory of changing Star Wars to be around Rey in Luke's spot makes sense from the films we got. Which could purely be done because they thought they could do a series of films that'd be like follow-ups to ROTJ that could have been done in the 80s and 90s when the actors were not too old. As to it being around a female could purely be because it's different and the trend in Hollywood at the moment.

 

[Screamface]

SJW whining is par for the course, gatekeeper.

It's not SJW whining. I outright state I don't buy into the SJW's ruined Star Wars stuff because I don't know what went on.

I am merely saying this trilogy is a remake to shift Rey being to the main character. Which required them to destroy existing characters that would always outshine the new one. Which is why they had to destroy Luke. The new character can't take his place if he's the Luke he has been for 40 years.

That is the sole purpose of it. It explains lazy choices, infuriating choices and why the new character gets made into some mishmash of Star Wars. A Jedi named Skywalker who flies around in the Falcon with Chewie, with the task of rebuilding the new Jedi.

 

[Screamface]

Although maybe I am wrong and this is just the Disney vision for Star Wars.

In the next trilogy, we learn that Rey has been training Finn and Jannah's force, sensitive kids, a boy and a girl. The girl falls to the dark side and now servers an evil emperor like figure who has a planet-destroying weapon. Poe leads the new Resistance. They destroy the planet-destroying superweapon, but the New Empire is still winning. We find out Rey can't get the evil Palpatine out of her system, blames herself and gives up. She walks away from the fight, and won't help the good sibling to redeem their sister. In the end, we find out the Emperor was behind it all and the bad sibling is redeemed. They then fight the Emperor to death. Then it's revealed as Finn and Jannah didn't have surnames, they adopted the name Skywalker.

Then anyone who complains about it being similar and lazy will be called a racist.

 

[Mike S]

Couldn’t resist, could you, Keymaster?

SJW whining is par for the course, gatekeeper.

Can I be Zuul?