sedati
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To what degree would you also factor in a hyper-aggressive multi-year smear campaign?
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Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS
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LSLS
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Where are you getting your numbers? Are you only talking domestic? Cause its 9th for 2019.
Wendy Pleakley
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I agree that there is still demand for Star Wars and that's why this latest installment has made a lot of money. I just find that people are relying too much on comparisons to Endgame and Force Awakens to suggest this movie failed to find an audience. It was the same with the Last Jedi, absurd hyperbole with people practically declaring the franchise dead because of the grosses. And that movie landed at number 9 on the all-time domestic charts. Somehow that result spelled the end of the franchise.
My opinion, based on my personal behaviour as a fan who sees these films multiple times, is that fatigue is one factor, but I never said it's the only factor. If this movie had come out a year later, and I didn't just watch the Mandalorian, I'd be seeing it a fourth time. However many thousands are selling out Celebration or Rise of the Resistance just doesn't register for me with the bigger picture - the tens of millions who are, or aren't, seeing this movie, and how many times. Those are small scale events, of course they sell out. If Celebration had the capacity to sell a ticket to everyone who saw the Force Awakens, then the comparison might matter.
I'm not discounting the story being a factor. If you read my posts, I've been very critical of how this trilogy failed to build a cohesive story which resulted in a finale that seemed to start over, rather than conclude ongoing storylines. TLJ set up the Resistance needing to rebuild, and that paid off well enough with the Galaxy coming together. On the other hand, Rey's story seemed to start over half-way through with a dark twist that didn't end up changing her character in any way. Ben Solo had his inevitable redemption, but this didn't ultimately factor into the final showdown between Palpatine and Palpatine. No Skywalker in sight for the so-called end of the Skywalker trilogy (which it isn't - if you think we've seen the last of Rey Skywalker I've got a Star Destroyer to sell you).
This movie was overall fun, hit some good notes, had some great chemistry and character moments that managed to overcome those story issues. I think with time, the overall reaction will be that the new trilogy was enjoyable, but was a missed opportunity in many ways. It will still hold up better than Return of the Jedi as a finale.
Wendy Pleakley
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Box Office Mojo has it as number 3 for 2019 domestically, 9th globally I believe. I tend to focus on the former because Star Wars just doesn't click with certain foreign audiences for some reason.
RobWDW1971
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The precipitous decline from TFA to ROS and the losses incurred by Solo are a disaster for Disney and has forced them to pull projects and reevaluate their entire approach to the brand. Nothing hyperbolic about the reality.
sedati
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Iger stated a break would happen in the chapter films after nine from early on. The story films were to fill in the gaps, but now that’s clearly been diverted to Disney+. No net gain no net loss.
Something Disney has spent years trying to fix, with little success.
But Force Awakens still made over $1.1 billion in foreign grosses. Now RotS is at half of that.
Even if you like the movies, you'd have to have your head burried in the sand to not notice this.
This has not been the franchise performance Disney was looking for.
Mike S
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???
Luke’s showdown with Vader/Palpatine alone is better than anything this movie offered.
Wendy Pleakley
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The final 45 minutes or so of Jedi are generally great, but the movie does so much wrong that the whole thing gets dragged down.
This article was eye opening for me in terms of highlighting its' flaws.
50 REASONS WHY RETURN OF THE JEDI SUCKS
RobWDW1971
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Heck, it was so good, JJ Abrams ripped it off so we get to see it again in ROS, but this time with Rey!
Member when Luke confronted Palpatine and was saved by Vader?! I member!
JJ Abrams' entire career summed up by South Park perfectly in the Member Berries episode - google it.
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Joesixtoe
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Exactly this.. not needed either.. people could have still enjoyed their new characters while respecting the old. It shouldn't have been this difficult.
LSLS
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Movie profits are not judged domestic only. I'd say fast and furious is a pretty successful franchise. As has been pointed out, of course people came out. But the fact the finale had less people than every other movie outside the bomb of solo should tell you something.
LSLS
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Last jedi did see historic drops from week to week that only skywalker seems to be topping. Again, I dont need endgame to compare. 6 of 7 marvel movies released between solo and ros had larger total box offices than ros. You are straight kidding yourself if you think Disney's goal was to lose movie each release and have the 9th biggest release of the year from star wars (you are also kidding yourself if you think they only look at domestic).
Joesixtoe
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This is true, it's much more of a domestic movie..
RobWDW1971
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And the fact that ROS was one of the most expensive movies of all time, but hey, people were so fired up to see how Rey, Poe, Finn, and Rose Tico's "journey" ended they couldn't wait to see it.
We are talking about Star Wars here - the fact we are even comparing it to other releases in the same year is ridiculous - not to mention Disney found a way to do something nobody thought was possible, actually lose money on a Star Wars movie. But hey, Solo, did give us a dark, boring mission for Smuggler's Run so it wasn't a total loss.
The Grand Inquisitor
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Man it's hard because I still really like the movie. But man it has so much lost potential. Honestly that's the sequel trilogy in a nut shell. So much lost potential. I hope the High Republic Trilogy with Yoda and Darth Bane is good!
RobWDW1971
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And none of those hopefully great characters will ever be able to be represented in their Star Wars theme park lands - brilliant, Disney, brilliant.
The Grand Inquisitor
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Kathleen Kennedy after the sequel trilogy
LSLS
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So I have been pretty harsh on this movie, star wars, and heck disney. I want to stress something. I'm glad you liked the movie. There was definitely a lot I actually kind of liked in the film. I actually laughed here, cause I think we are pretty close in thoughts. I thought this was ok, but it just drags me so far down thinking exactly as you mentioned, the lost opportunity. How good this COULD have been. Heck, how much better this movie could have been if they maybe just did 2 films out of it. But I'll also say i cant imagine that Disney hasnt seen this as a huge failure for the multiple reasons that have been discussed.