Sirwalterraleigh
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It’s a joke, tony...read the thread or look stupid.
And you didn’t answer my question: what happened with Colin Trevorrow?
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And you didn’t answer my question: what happened with Colin Trevorrow?
Tony Perkis
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He was let go because, officially, he had creative differences with Lucasfilm, but more likely, they hired him based on the financial success of Jurassic World and let him go because The Book of Henry bombed badly, critically and financially.
Tony Perkis
Well-Known Member
It’s the Holiday Special.
In very few instances, there is an objectively wrong opinion. This is one of them. It’s like saying White Chicks is better than 2001.
Somebody help me with the math:
Disney spends $4 Billion for Star Wars.
Plus $1 Billion per park? (Is that correct?)
Loses about $50 million on Solo.
Makes $320 Mil on Rogue 1
Makes $800 Million on TFA
Makes $400 Million on TLJ
Assuming $350 Million on RoS (to be generous).
So still in the hole by about $4 Billion? Now I get merchandising and licensing and all that. Can anybody give me an accurate figure of where Disney is right now in this arrangement? 'Cause I got to think they're still upside down.
Disney spends $4 Billion for Star Wars.
Plus $1 Billion per park? (Is that correct?)
Loses about $50 million on Solo.
Makes $320 Mil on Rogue 1
Makes $800 Million on TFA
Makes $400 Million on TLJ
Assuming $350 Million on RoS (to be generous).
So still in the hole by about $4 Billion? Now I get merchandising and licensing and all that. Can anybody give me an accurate figure of where Disney is right now in this arrangement? 'Cause I got to think they're still upside down.
TROR
Well-Known Member
The idea of Superman giving up being a hero because of tragedy to then finally return and save the day at the end is a pretty interesting concept.
This has come out already. Trevorrow left because of creative differences with Rian Johnson's script. Chiefly that he did not want Luke killed off in Episode VIII. Kennedy backed Johnson. Trevorrow was out.
Tony Perkis
Well-Known Member
You mean it....humanizes the character?!
The net is the column that's labeled 1.5*Budg - .5*gross.
Take the budget figure and add 50% for marketing and other admin expenses for the true cost. Half of gross is the production company's share with the theaters. The difference is net. I don't call it profit any more because of certain individuals who nitpick the term. So, I label it just what the formula is.
Nothing *needs* to stop happening except you trying to control the narrative.
Thanks for the clarification. So when we adjust for inflation and look at it from a profitability standpoint. All of the movies in the original trilogy. And those of the prequels, as well as TFA outperformed it. The only question now is if RoS will.
flynnibus
Premium Member
The movie takes are big pieces.. but not in the grander scheme. Disney has 7 years of merchandise sales, royalties from licensees, new license arrangements (of which there has been 5 movies to sell new opportunities for). That's the golden goose that keeps going and really the big reason to push the films. New content, new opportunities, new fans.
Think back to TFA... star wars was on everything.. even makeup! Those are all dollars rolling in..
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
Maybe, but Rose wasn't any better. She was there to try and move Finn from running away to joining the cause. And he needed someone with him for his "mission". She really wasn't needed. The point was more that Neither guy really did anything to further either character.
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Tony Perkis
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Rose is a plot device. She served to advance Finn’s character. Whether you think it worked is up to you, but that was the clear attempt.
erasure fan1
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Yes I didn't think it worked. But that's not what I was talking about. The argument was raised that JJ had done Rose wrong. He didn't handle it anymore wrong than Rian and Maz. You can't argue one side and not the other. You said yourself both were plot devices. So if Rose was a plot device in 8, then she wasn't really mishandled in 9.
Indeed.
SWLs sells the parks (well... DL didn't need selling, but DHS sure did, and will help out in Paris). SW and both the old and new D+ content sells D+.
It's an extension of "the brand," too for the "four quadrants" of children, adults, men, and women. Disney isn't just princesses for small girls. People feeling good about the brand is a multiplier for opening the wallet for everything under "the brand's" umbrella.
It will be a while before the break even mark. Keep in mind that if you go just by movie profit, the Marvel purchase only made a profit in the end this year! (Not counting after markets and merch.) Disney's in this for generations.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Here's one test I use...
Do I care or think about any of the characters? Honestly most of them from the new trilogy the answer is 'no'.
Finn... could care less
Poe... in one ear.. out the other
Kylo - at least he's solid, I just don't particularly like him
Rey - she's growing on me.. but I like her theme music and its integration in the films probably more than her
Hux - seems like a parody character you just feel like he's a bad copy-cat attempt . (Pryde felt more on the mark as a FO officer)
Leia - puke...
Han - I generally like what they did with him.. but poor harrison is too old
The rest... mehhhh
I know people are hating on the new female character opposite poe in the new film.. but she reminds me of the assassin in Phantom Menace and her presence reminds me of the bounty hunters in Empire a bit. I am interested in hearing more..
This is what kind of sums up the new trilogy for me. If they weren't star wars films... I would really have no interest in going back and watching them again. The prequels I want to see, even if the dialog makes me cringe.. the OT there are many things I just love seeing play out.. the new films... just nothing stands out to me as making me want to seek out the film.
Do I care or think about any of the characters? Honestly most of them from the new trilogy the answer is 'no'.
Finn... could care less
Poe... in one ear.. out the other
Kylo - at least he's solid, I just don't particularly like him
Rey - she's growing on me.. but I like her theme music and its integration in the films probably more than her
Hux - seems like a parody character you just feel like he's a bad copy-cat attempt . (Pryde felt more on the mark as a FO officer)
Leia - puke...
Han - I generally like what they did with him.. but poor harrison is too old
The rest... mehhhh
I know people are hating on the new female character opposite poe in the new film.. but she reminds me of the assassin in Phantom Menace and her presence reminds me of the bounty hunters in Empire a bit. I am interested in hearing more..
This is what kind of sums up the new trilogy for me. If they weren't star wars films... I would really have no interest in going back and watching them again. The prequels I want to see, even if the dialog makes me cringe.. the OT there are many things I just love seeing play out.. the new films... just nothing stands out to me as making me want to seek out the film.
erasure fan1
Well-Known Member
Star wars also has a history of having cool background characters that really don't amount to much. **cough**bobafett**cough** the problem you can run into, is when you pull a phasma and include them in all the prerelease stuff and talk the character up. Then they really aren't a factor. Zorii falls into that catagory. Personally I love useless secondary and background characters. It's something that has always been endearing of star wars to me. But I get when people feel let down after thinking a character was going to have a bigger roll based on the marketing push.
flynnibus
Premium Member
To be honest.. I had not seen/heard anything about the character before seeing the film. I did not boycott any stuff ahead of time, but I didn't seek it out either. Just kinda watching the trailer and that's about it.
Tony Perkis
Well-Known Member
Couldn’t.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Grammar has no place in slang dude...
But thanks for the amazing contribution to the discussion