Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker Reactions: SPOILERS

[Timmay]

Now this is insane...

Rogue one is the only one to even come close to capturing any moments with similar tone/feel as the OT

Now I know for sure you can’t be taken seriously. While a very good movie, Rogue One was nothing more than a WWII commando movie...without Robert Shaw. The ONLY time it had a Star Wars feel was in the last ten minutes.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Now I know for sure you can’t be taken seriously. While a very good movie, Rogue One was nothing more than a WWII commando movie...without Robert Shaw. The ONLY time it had a Star Wars feel was in the last ten minutes.

You can take whatever stance you wish...the receptions of the movies and Disney’s missteps are clear...

Some people I’m sure loved attack of the clones too...you should have tea with them.

 

[choco choco]

Obi-Wan drew first.

Why are you arguing this? The point of the Prequels is to show how the Jedi lost their way. It's why Anakin fell to the Dark Side and how Palpatine came to dominate the galaxy.

Yep. The entire main story of the prequels are that the Jedi are full of sh*t and that Yoda is highly responsible for how the galaxy turned out.

Everything else that happens: the rise of an emperor, fall of democracy, destruction of the jedi, love blinding justice, turning of talent to evil, corruption of law to terror (man, the prequels are full of ideas - imagine that!); are only the incidental results of the main text of Lucas' story: showing the Jedi as an organization were philosophically and conceptually ill-conceived and were so conceited that they couldn't even see how wrong they were.

The main turning point in the original trilogy (exactly half way through the three-film arc) is Luke defying Yoda to go rescue his friends. It's probably the single most important move that saves the galaxy.

So when Rian Johnson has Luke saying "It's time for the Jedi to end," it had me pumping my fist in the air with the realization that someone, finally, understood and was addressing the actual story. This was definitely where Lucas was going with his third trilogy (he has said as much), this was what the entire six films before it had been heading towards since the beginning. When Yoda destroys the tree and downplays the Jedi legacy, it seems he (Yoda) had finally, FINALLY learned how wrong he had been. Yoda alluding to "the greatest teacher, failure is" and "we are what we grow beyond;" these are the heavy words of a wise teacher taking his own lessons to heart. It's a beautiful, tear-inducing moment, that actually acknowledged all the previous events of Star Wars and rocketed it forward to a more optimistic future. Luke would not repeat the mistakes of his elders, he could save the galaxy through hope and inspiration, that violence and "instant-saviour" actions were always an arrogant, immature way of doing things.

I'm gonna flat out say that Rian is the only person yet who really understood Star Wars while its been under the Disney banner.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yep. The entire main story of the prequels are that the Jedi are full of sh*t and that Yoda is highly responsible for how the galaxy turned out.

Everything else that happens: the rise of an emperor, fall of democracy, destruction of the jedi, love blinding justice, turning of talent to evil, corruption of law to terror (man, the prequels are full of ideas - imagine that!); are only the incidental results of the main text of Lucas' story: showing the Jedi as an organization were philosophically and conceptually ill-conceived and were so conceited that they couldn't even see how wrong they were.

The main turning point in the original trilogy (exactly half way through the three-film arc) is Luke defying Yoda to go rescue his friends. It's probably the single most important move that saves the galaxy.

So when Rian Johnson has Luke saying "It's time for the Jedi to end," it had me pumping my fist in the air with the realization that someone, finally, understood and was addressing the actual story. This was definitely where Lucas was going with his third trilogy (he has said as much), this was what the entire six films before it had been heading towards since the beginning. When Yoda destroys the tree and downplays the Jedi legacy, it seems he (Yoda) had finally, FINALLY learned how wrong he had been. Yoda alluding to "the greatest teacher, failure is" and "we are what we grow beyond;" these are the heavy words of a wise teacher taking his own lessons to heart. It's a beautiful, tear-inducing moment, that actually acknowledged all the previous events of Star Wars and rocketed it forward to a more optimistic future. Luke would not repeat the mistakes of his elders, he could save the galaxy through hope and inspiration, that violence and "instant-saviour" actions were always an arrogant, immature way of doing things.

I'm gonna flat out say that Rian is the only person yet who really understood Star Wars while its been under the Disney banner.

This x -1

 

[TROR]

Yep. The entire main story of the prequels are that the Jedi are full of sh*t and that Yoda is highly responsible for how the galaxy turned out.

Everything else that happens: the rise of an emperor, fall of democracy, destruction of the jedi, love blinding justice, turning of talent to evil, corruption of law to terror (man, the prequels are full of ideas - imagine that!); are only the incidental results of the main text of Lucas' story: showing the Jedi as an organization were philosophically and conceptually ill-conceived and were so conceited that they couldn't even see how wrong they were.

The main turning point in the original trilogy (exactly half way through the three-film arc) is Luke defying Yoda to go rescue his friends. It's probably the single most important move that saves the galaxy.

So when Rian Johnson has Luke saying "It's time for the Jedi to end," it had me pumping my fist in the air with the realization that someone, finally, understood and was addressing the actual story. This was definitely where Lucas was going with his third trilogy (he has said as much), this was what the entire six films before it had been heading towards since the beginning. When Yoda destroys the tree and downplays the Jedi legacy, it seems he (Yoda) had finally, FINALLY learned how wrong he had been. Yoda alluding to "the greatest teacher, failure is" and "we are what we grow beyond;" these are the heavy words of a wise teacher taking his own lessons to heart. It's a beautiful, tear-inducing moment, that actually acknowledged all the previous events of Star Wars and rocketed it forward to a more optimistic future. Luke would not repeat the mistakes of his elders, he could save the galaxy through hope and inspiration, that violence and "instant-saviour" actions were always an arrogant, immature way of doing things.

I'm gonna flat out say that Rian is the only person yet who really understood Star Wars while its been under the Disney banner.

It's not so much that the Jedi needed to end so much as they needed to return to what they originally wore - monks at peace with the light. The Jedi needed a reformation.

But, yeah, Rian Johnson really had a great grasp on Star Wars. I'm hoping this rumored "Old Republic" trilogy is his.

 

[jt04]

It's not so much that the Jedi needed to end so much as they needed to return to what they originally wore - monks at peace with the light. The Jedi needed a reformation.

But, yeah, Rian Johnson really had a great grasp on Star Wars. I'm hoping this rumored "Old Republic" trilogy is his.

It isn't a trilogy, it is supposed to be after the OR, and Rian can't make Star Wars that will appeal broadly. Of course if they are looking for a niche audience then he is perfect.

IMO.

 

[TROR]

It isn't a trilogy, it is supposed to be after the OR, and Rian can't make Star Wars that will appeal broadly. Of course if they are looking for a niche audience then he is perfect.

IMO.

Let me dream of my Rian Johnson, Alex Garland, and Denis Villanueve Star Wars trilogy that's something more special than over the top explosions and ridiculous force powers, ok?

 

[jt04]

Let me dream of my Rian Johnson, Alex Garland, and Denis Villanueve Star Wars trilogy that's something more special than over the top explosions and ridiculous force powers, ok?

Sounds like the perfect Disney+ concept. Go for it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Here’s this fool from Forbes trying to skirt the issue again...
And the issue is this is lower than estimates from two days ago...which has been the case every day except December 24-26...

‘Star Wars: Rise Of Skywalker’ Drops 53% But Tops $900M (Weekend Box Office)

'Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker' is playing like a "normal" blockbuster as opposed to one with Christmas-enhanced legs.

www.google.com

 

[Joesixtoe]

Let me dream of my Rian Johnson, Alex Garland, and Denis Villanueve Star Wars trilogy that's something more special than over the top explosions and ridiculous force powers, ok?

I like Looper and Brick, there is a reason we all were happy Johnson was making a Star Wars movie. So maybe Rian would be good as long as there isnt any characters that are already beloved by a fan base.
Also Bladerunner 2049 shout out for Denis Vilanueve

 

[Joesixtoe]

Yep. The entire main story of the prequels are that the Jedi are full of sh*t and that Yoda is highly responsible for how the galaxy turned out.

Everything else that happens: the rise of an emperor, fall of democracy, destruction of the jedi, love blinding justice, turning of talent to evil, corruption of law to terror (man, the prequels are full of ideas - imagine that!); are only the incidental results of the main text of Lucas' story: showing the Jedi as an organization were philosophically and conceptually ill-conceived and were so conceited that they couldn't even see how wrong they were.

The main turning point in the original trilogy (exactly half way through the three-film arc) is Luke defying Yoda to go rescue his friends. It's probably the single most important move that saves the galaxy.

So when Rian Johnson has Luke saying "It's time for the Jedi to end," it had me pumping my fist in the air with the realization that someone, finally, understood and was addressing the actual story. This was definitely where Lucas was going with his third trilogy (he has said as much), this was what the entire six films before it had been heading towards since the beginning. When Yoda destroys the tree and downplays the Jedi legacy, it seems he (Yoda) had finally, FINALLY learned how wrong he had been. Yoda alluding to "the greatest teacher, failure is" and "we are what we grow beyond;" these are the heavy words of a wise teacher taking his own lessons to heart. It's a beautiful, tear-inducing moment, that actually acknowledged all the previous events of Star Wars and rocketed it forward to a more optimistic future. Luke would not repeat the mistakes of his elders, he could save the galaxy through hope and inspiration, that violence and "instant-saviour" actions were always an arrogant, immature way of doing things.

I'm gonna flat out say that Rian is the only person yet who really understood Star Wars while its been under the Disney banner.

I haven't seen ESB in awhile, so I might be wrong here... did Luke really rescue his friends though? I believe they already had an escape plan... if I remember correctly(again could be wrong) I thought he really only encountered Vader and hardly any storm troopers. Now if he drew Vader away from his friends, then yeah he saved them.. but I'm not so sure he even really cared for them. Remember Vader did all this for the purpose to draw out Skywalker, cause he knew he wasn't strong enough in the force to NOT rely on his feelings for his friends. Again I could be way off base here

 

[RandySavage]

Now I know for sure you can’t be taken seriously. While a very good movie, Rogue One was nothing more than a WWII commando movie...without Robert Shaw. The ONLY time it had a Star Wars feel was in the last ten minutes.

No. SirWalterRaleigh is dead accurate on that "feel" point.

IF your principal point of reference/context are the Originals, THEN Rogue One should be considered the best/closest in feel of the new films... by miles. If your point of reference is the Prequel/Sequel trilogies or TV shows, then no - your baseline is a different style of Star Wars.

And this parroted notion of thin characterization in R1 is bonkers, IMO. Padme had three films to develop a character/audience empathy, but Portman's performance was so atrocious and her dialogue so terribly-written (ditto for Anakin) that none of that screentime mattered: no one batted any eye by the time she got choked out and died giving birth. In contrast, Rouge One had actual performances: the single scene where Jyn sees the hologram of her father is more emotive & moving than any scene by any actor in the Prequel or JJ trilogies.

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Let's take a look at the differences in style/level of script & performances:
R1:


New Trilogy:


One monologue is brilliant popcorn filmmaking, the other made me embarrassed to be in the theater.

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And agree with above comment about the ridiculous choice of having Admiral Holdo wearing a gown instead of uniform on the bridge of her warship (she wasn't just called away from a cocktail party), designed to accentuate feminity in the film at the expense of visual storytelling. Strengthening its feminine appeal has been the M.O. for the entire Star Wars brand for a decade or so, as often boasted by Kennedy.

 

[Mike S]

Let me dream of my Rian Johnson, Alex Garland, and Denis Villanueve Star Wars trilogy that's something more special than over the top explosions and ridiculous force powers, ok?

I’ll take that last one. Blade Runner 2049 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Last Jedi.

Looking forward to Dune because of him as well.

No. SirWalterRaleigh is dead accurate on that "feel" point.

IF your principal point of reference/context are the Originals (i.e.), THEN Rogue One should be considered the best/closest in feel of the new films... by miles. If your point of reference is the Prequel/Sequel trilogies, then no - your baseline is a different style of Star Wars.

And this parroted notion of thin characterization in R1 is bonkers, IMO. Padme had three films to develop a character/audience empathy, but Portman's performance was so atrocious and her dialogue so terribly-written (ditto for Anakin), that no one batted any eye by the time she got choked out and died giving birth. Meanwhile, Rouge One had actual performances: the single scene where Jyn sees the hologram of her father is more emotive & moving than any scene by any actor in the Prequel or JJ trilogies.

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And agree with above comment about the ridiculous choice of having Admiral Holdo wearing a gown instead of uniform on the bridge of her warship (she wasn't just called away from a cocktail party), designed to accentuate feminity in the film at the expense of visual storytelling. Strengthening its feminine appeal has been the M.O. for the entire Star Wars brand for a decade or so, as often boasted by Kennedy.

Which is weird when you consider one of the main reasons Disney bought LucasFilm and even Marvel was to expand their appeal with boys the same way they have girls with the Princess line.

 

[Cosmic Commando]

Yep. The entire main story of the prequels are that the Jedi are full of sh*t and that Yoda is highly responsible for how the galaxy turned out.

Everything else that happens: the rise of an emperor, fall of democracy, destruction of the jedi, love blinding justice, turning of talent to evil, corruption of law to terror (man, the prequels are full of ideas - imagine that!); are only the incidental results of the main text of Lucas' story: showing the Jedi as an organization were philosophically and conceptually ill-conceived and were so conceited that they couldn't even see how wrong they were.

The main turning point in the original trilogy (exactly half way through the three-film arc) is Luke defying Yoda to go rescue his friends. It's probably the single most important move that saves the galaxy.

So when Rian Johnson has Luke saying "It's time for the Jedi to end," it had me pumping my fist in the air with the realization that someone, finally, understood and was addressing the actual story. This was definitely where Lucas was going with his third trilogy (he has said as much), this was what the entire six films before it had been heading towards since the beginning. When Yoda destroys the tree and downplays the Jedi legacy, it seems he (Yoda) had finally, FINALLY learned how wrong he had been. Yoda alluding to "the greatest teacher, failure is" and "we are what we grow beyond;" these are the heavy words of a wise teacher taking his own lessons to heart. It's a beautiful, tear-inducing moment, that actually acknowledged all the previous events of Star Wars and rocketed it forward to a more optimistic future. Luke would not repeat the mistakes of his elders, he could save the galaxy through hope and inspiration, that violence and "instant-saviour" actions were always an arrogant, immature way of doing things.

I'm gonna flat out say that Rian is the only person yet who really understood Star Wars while its been under the Disney banner.

It’s important to note, though, that even Rian had Luke say in his movie that he would not be the last Jedi. Before any backlash had a chance to form. IMO people focused too much on the bummed out Luke, and not where the character ended up by the time the battle on Crait happened. Rian was saying both; the Jedi weren’t perfect, but they would and should continue.

I think even J.J. was headed in this direction before the reaction to TLJ. There’s also evidence that he’s really just not that great at finishing stories (and it is hard!). In interviews around TFA, JJ said that he wanted the trilogy to explore what it really meant to have balance in the Force. According to TRoS, it means the good guy blowing up the bad guy like in all the other movies. Not very congruent.

 

[tribbleorlfl]

Finally saw RotS. While it was a fun enough film and not as bad as I was fearing based on the leaks, I still found it a pretty unsatisfying end to not just the Skywalker Saga, but the ST itself.

 

[Tony Perkis]

I’ll take that last one. Blade Runner 2049 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Last Jedi.

I mean, that’s a bit unfair. Blade Runner 2049 is the best science fiction film since Terminator 2.

 

[Cosmic Commando]

I haven't seen ESB in awhile, so I might be wrong here... did Luke really rescue his friends though? I believe they already had an escape plan... if I remember correctly(again could be wrong) I thought he really only encountered Vader and hardly any storm troopers. Now if he drew Vader away from his friends, then yeah he saved them.. but I'm not so sure he even really cared for them. Remember Vader did all this for the purpose to draw out Skywalker, cause he knew he wasn't strong enough in the force to NOT rely on his feelings for his friends. Again I could be way off base here

Han was probably going to be shipped off to Jabba no matter what. It’s a pretty strong case that he rescued Leia, though. If Vader wasn’t busy fighting Luke, Vader probably could have stepped in when Leia, Lando, and Chewie were escaping. Then, Vader takes Leia away, and who knows?



I‘ve been thinking about this scene a lot lately. It’s my headcanon now that Luke set up this timeline with the First Order when he left to go to Cloud City. If Han and/or Leia die, obviously Ben Solo doesn’t get born, and the future is very different in lots of ways.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I haven't seen ESB in awhile, so I might be wrong here... did Luke really rescue his friends though? I believe they already had an escape plan... if I remember correctly(again could be wrong) I thought he really only encountered Vader and hardly any storm troopers. Now if he drew Vader away from his friends, then yeah he saved them.. but I'm not so sure he even really cared for them. Remember Vader did all this for the purpose to draw out Skywalker, cause he knew he wasn't strong enough in the force to NOT rely on his feelings for his friends. Again I could be way off base here

Luke was definitely lured into a a trap because most of the movie is Darth Vader seeking Luke. The direct chase is of the Millenium Falcon but that is the bait to get Luke. Yoda knows Luke will have his handed to him and that is exactly what happens. If Luke had jumped just a minute later the Falcon would have jumped to light speed with Luke dangling above a gas giant.

I think even J.J. was headed in this direction before the reaction to TLJ. There’s also evidence that he’s really just not that great at finishing stories (and it is hard!). In interviews around TFA, JJ said that he wanted the trilogy to explore what it really meant to have balance in the Force. According to TRoS, it means the good guy blowing up the bad guy like in all the other movies. Not very congruent.

JJ’s mystery boxes really weren’t appropriate for Star Wars. They’re not really part of the first six movies. Princess Leia’s need for assistance is a mystery for Luke and Obi-wan but not the audience. Darth Vader being Luke’s father was a big twist but wasn’t true in 1977 and is known by a new audience watching the saga in order. This though just goes to the big problem of not having a singular vision.

 

[flynnibus]

I didn't care that Luke died... I just found his story in VIII to be freaking lame.

 

[Cosmic Commando]

JJ’s mystery boxes really weren’t appropriate for Star Wars. They’re not really part of the first six movies. Princess Leia’s need for assistance is a mystery for Luke and Obi-wan but not the audience. Darth Vader being Luke’s father was a big twist but wasn’t true in 1977 and is known by a new audience watching the saga in order. This though just goes to the big problem of not having a singular vision.

Different style doesn't bother me, although I have noticed it more recently. I did a reverse rewatch... starting with the OT after seeing TRoS, and it's almost shocking how much ANH takes its time compared to the sequel trilogy films. The lack of a plan is/was a big problem, though.