Star Wars Ep. 9 Thread

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Of course you do, that’s how you create a story.
But Lucas did craft a story and did bring Empire, Return of the Jedi to the screen. His vision with the help of very talented people.
Lucas and Ardnt spent a year working on the treatments for the new trilogy. Again, Lucas using a talented writer to help flesh out his ideas. Lucas helped usher in The Clone Wars, hired Dave Filoni, worked on The underworld that led to the Mandalorian, Solo, Rogue One.
Lucas was the driving force behind Star Wars.
For Disney, It would have helped to have a direction with the story... that is very very clear now with this new trilogy. Might be why they have brought in the Marvel Team. Has become obvious, this is t K. Kennedy’s strong suit.
My opinion it was a huge mistake not using those Lucas treatments or at the very least sticking with J.J.’s treatments. Have an overall game plan.

Iger is retiring...Kennedy’s head should role.

That is the way of the force at this point.
This is a company failure...no mistake. And there are many on boards such as these that won’t acknowledge they even happen.

This is a case. We should make them pay for it (already have - apparently - hence the retcon on this film). We don’t have to buy...it’s in our best interests as the consumer to reject when the quality isn’t there. Real life...no dust.

 

[CinematicFusion]

There are many different types of films

Blockbusters are perhaps the ones the public is MOST right on...however. It if makes you happy - generally speaking - it’s “good”

If it’s a head scratcher - it’s generally “bad”

Disney has ended up at door #2


Love story is crap...the English patient is crap...some times critics are too stupid for their own good - as is the public.

IF a significant number of people walk out of the laughing, shaking their head or confused...it’s a fail.
Not a hard formula here

Want to see a good old flick on Netflix... Cool Hand Luke. Still holds up

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

WOW. I know it's early. But the critic score on Rotten Tomatoes is 58%

 

[CinematicFusion]

WOW. I know it's early. But the critic score on Rotten Tomatoes is 58%

What will be interesting is the audience score. What do they think of it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

WOW. I know it's early. But the critic score on Rotten Tomatoes is 58%

It’s not early now...damn thing opens in 8 hours...

The critics are very divided on this...to be fair. They’re kinda warring with each other and relitigating the other two movies.

I think a lot are offended their glowing reviews to the first two movies didn’t pan out to the same support you would see like an MCU film and Disney just reversed everything on them. Makes them look bad.

As for the audience goes...I read the plot. It’s not good.
People are going because it’s Star Wars...the cool thing to do...

But Two weeks from now is the key. The measuring stick for Star Wars has always been the legs and the ability to resonate long term. Disney is still clueless to that. You don’t remake them and then do this subvert/mystery box ...
What a bunch of hacks.

I see that some optimists are still saying $1.4-1.8 worldwide??
That would be a feat considering it has very little appeal in the developing markets. Be lucky to make $75 mil in China.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What will be interesting is the audience score. What do they think of it.

I’m guessing skewed as the last couple have been.

Day one Euphoria followed by day 2/3 regret

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

I see that some optimists are still saying $1.4-1.8 worldwide??
That would be a feat considering it has very little appeal in the developing markets. Be lucky to make $75 mil in China.

I don't see how this is going to pass TLJ. At least with TLJ the backlash happened after the release once people actually had seen the thing. With RoS the backlash has already started even before the official release. I agree it would be some feat. But hey, anything is possible.

If this doesn't reach TLJ level, wonder what the fallout is going to look like.

 

[LSLS]

I wonder what the break even point will be for this one. I've read they spent as much as $600 million on the production (between initial and reshoots). That seems WAY too high, but I'm far from some expert.

I thought the magic number for this movie was going to be $1.6. I thought that is where it really needed to get to to prove TLJ haters were truly a minority. I think I'm more interested in this box office than I was for End Game, but for completely different reasons.

 

[Joesixtoe]

I don't see how this is going to pass TLJ. At least with TLJ the backlash happened after the release once people actually had seen the thing. With RoS the backlash has already started even before the official release. I agree it would be some feat. But hey, anything is possible.

If this doesn't reach TLJ level, wonder what the fallout is going to look like.

I have a feeling its going to make less than a billion. I believe repeat viewings will be low.

 

[CinematicFusion]

I’m guessing skewed as the last couple have been.

Day one Euphoria followed by day 2/3 regret

I’ll have my opinion tonight. Hope its a fun flick that I enjoy with my kids and friends. 20 of us are going.
Last one we went to was Last Jedi.... and no one liked it because of the character assassination of Luke Skywalker.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I wonder what the break even point will be for this one. I've read they spent as much as $600 million on the production (between initial and reshoots). That seems WAY too high, but I'm far from some expert.

I thought the magic number for this movie was going to be $1.6. I thought that is where it really needed to get to to prove TLJ haters were truly a minority. I think I'm more interested in this box office than I was for End Game, but for completely different reasons.

The breakpoint of endgame was north of $500

And Disney has really SLAMMED The advertising for about two months...much more than I’ve seen in years for a release. bookoo buccaroos

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’ll have my opinion tonight. Hope its a fun flick that I enjoy with my kids and friends. 20 of us are going.
Last one we went to was Last Jedi.... and no one liked it because of the character assassination of Luke Skywalker.

I mean...I get it...

But I couldn’t give them a dime upfront. They absolutely haven’t earned it at all.

This is akin to my fellow DVC complaining about pass prices as they punch their credit cards in to buy them...

The appetite of the beast has no limit...you have to withhold the food

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't see how this is going to pass TLJ. At least with TLJ the backlash happened after the release once people actually had seen the thing. With RoS the backlash has already started even before the official release. I agree it would be some feat. But hey, anything is possible.

If this doesn't reach TLJ level, wonder what the fallout is going to look like.

The first move is obvious...like an elephant sitting in a kindergarten class...

What complicates things is Iger is only focused on his golden parachute...so he will try to lay low and do nothing to shave $0.01 off the stock price.

Pull the cord already!! It’s hurting the brand to have a lame duck for 2 or more years. That doesn’t work in a creative company that has other conglomerates trying to figure out how to shift their business into yours...

I think he shelved Star Wars to take it off his accountants radar...plain and simple.

 

[CinematicFusion]

I mean...I get it...

But I couldn’t give them a dime upfront. They absolutely haven’t earned it at all.

This is akin to my fellow DVC complaining about pass prices as they punch their credit cards in to buy them...

The appetite of the beast has no limit...you have to withhold the food

I see your point but it’s a tradition on our side but it ends here. There won’t be anymore Skywalker stories. It’s over, Disney has to prove itself in the theater all over again. That is why I think they move Star Wars to Disney+

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I see your point but it’s a tradition on our side but it ends here. There won’t be anymore Skywalker stories. It’s over, Disney has to prove itself in the theater all over again. That is why I think they move Star Wars to Disney+

Disney + is about revenue for bob’s chute...
Plain and simple

I mean...it’s a great service...but I question whether Disney will beef up the content needed?

That’s expensive...this could end up kinda a Ponzi scheme...in a way.

Pulling Star Wars movies is a coward move. Protecting Kennedy is a coward move. Not publicly ending rian Johnson is a coward move.

You want to try and trick Star Wars fans? Again: we crotchety old ones have the money (sorry, millennials...the line starts right behind us)...

Go ahead. Run the same gimmick offense against the 85 Bears.

 

[Mike S]

I think a lot are offended their glowing reviews to the first two movies didn’t pan out to the same support you would see like an MCU film and Disney just reversed everything on them. Makes them look bad.

 

[Joesixtoe]

I see your point but it’s a tradition on our side but it ends here. There won’t be anymore Skywalker stories. It’s over, Disney has to prove itself in the theater all over again. That is why I think they move Star Wars to Disney+

These aren't even Skywalker stories anymore as of 2015.. After you see RoS you will know what I mean.

 

[Mike S]

I think it time we revisit.....or watch for the first time. “The Assassination of Luke Skywalker”

He’s absolute gold

 

[CinematicFusion]

These aren't even Skywalker stories anymore as of 2015.. After you see RoS you will know what I mean.

I figured as much

 

[jt04]

These aren't even Skywalker stories anymore as of 2015.. After you see RoS you will know what I mean.

There are a lot of years between RotJ and TFA to be explored in the future about events a long time ago. Just sayin.