Star Tours 2: Official confirmation - kinda

[HMF]

I read an inteview with Steve Sansweet, and according to him, Star Wars "canon" is the films only because they are stories George Lucas created. Anything else, i.e. novels, Star Tours, comics, video games, etc. are officially considered part of the "Expanded Universe". Apparently, when Lucas was writing episode 1 he was asked if he would take into account any details concerning the EU and his response was no. He didn't care if anything he writes for the new films contradicted information in the EU. His attitude was the films were canon and the EU could be adjusted to fit the films, rather than the other way around. He was not as concerned with continuity as in the Star Trek franchise. If I remember correctly, he came under same fire from fans for his position because of the popularity of the EU. However, I do believe The Cone Wars and the upcoming live action TV show will be considered canon.

That's not neccasarily true. Lucas did take continuity seriously. In Episode II' Mace Windu say's that Anakin and Obi-Wan have returned from a border dispute on Ansion' which happened in the novel the Approaching Storm set right before Episode II. Also' Aayla Secura originally from the Star Wars Comic Series appeared in both Episodes II and III and Jedi Master Quinlan Vos also from the comics is mentioned in Episode III as having moved his troops to Boz Pity. So' yes the EU does count as "Cannon" and "Really Happened" in the Star Wars Galaxy.

 

[EPCOT Explorer]

I think that rumor has pretty much been resolved. All parks with Star Tours will be getting the full fledged Star Tours 2.

And I take from the LA Times article that Iger is the source. The only question remaining being, is that all that will be announced for WDW?

Soon, we will know soon! :lookaroun

I know, I'm just being a PITA.:lol::lookaroun

Ahhh...D23....C'mon already!!! Prove me wrong!

 

[JarJarJedi]

Only thing that really bothered me about SW....:lol: The enemies are always SO STUPID.

Hey, I resent that comment! Just because stormtroopers can't hit the broad side of a barn doesn't mean that they (we) are stupid! It's hard to see in those helmets! Trust me! Try playing laser tag with limited vision and mobility!

Here is something that was posted awhile ago on one of the Star Wars sites that I frequent. This article was posted on July 13th:

Friend of TF.N "empire1980" from DewbackPatrol.com sends us this update on the new Star Tours ride while visiting Disney recently:

"On July 6th I went on the Disney Studios' Star Tours ride. As my wife switched off with me so my son could ride a second time, I waited in the exit with my daughter. To my delight I waited with a very talkative Disney Cast Member and thought I would ask for any info on the revamp of the Star Wars ride. He first told me that there was new footage being filmed for the ride. This was not big news, but what he told me next was! The friendly gentlemen told me that the ride would be revamped in 2011 and that Disney will be completely removing the simulators that people sit in. The simulators need to be removed to completely renovate the interior. As part of this rework, Captain REX the lovable droid pilot that is voiced by Paul Reuben (______-Wee Herman) will be removed from the ride and will not be returning. Exciting news for sure! I couldn't get any juicy details about what the ride's new story will entail, but at least we have a date and confirmation that Captain REX will be removed. This is good in my opinion as my son had some difficulty determining the difference between him and Captain Rex from the Clone Wars. He didn't understand how they could have the same name. Ahh the mind of a three year old!"

Don't know how reliable this CM might be, but that's the date that I'm shooting for. But with all the dissappointments that have been happening lately in the Star Wars community, i.e. the expected Celebration V announcement from SDCC or even Wizard World Chicago (I thought for sure it was going to be announced at Chicago!), I won't believe the date until I hear something official.

There was also another specualation as to why there would be Stormtroopers at D23 (We are The 501st Legion, not Battalion :brick: Please people, get it right! (That was posted on the D23 website... and the 501st participates in SWW... they should know who we are by now! )) :

ClubJade.net steps it up a notch with a suggestion of a CV [Celebration 5] announcement if it were to be held in Orlando. I love it! Speculate away!

Then another update with an article tieing D23 with the Star Wars conventions (which I have BIG problems with the LA Times article):

Disney is not the first corporate entertainment power to create a major dedicated expo aimed at giving fans an insider experience. About 75,000 people attended Star Wars Celebration in 1999 in Denver, organized by LucasFilm, and there have been six editions of the event since, including a 2006 staging at the Los Angeles Convention Center. Lucasfilm is entertaining civic sweetheart deals now for a 2010 encore.

You can find the the article on TheForce.Net here.

Now, my big problem is that CI was not attended by 75,000 people... C3 didn't have those numbers either, and it was sold out on Saturday because Lucas was there in person! CIV's numbers went down. And there has only been 5 "editions" of Star Wars Celebrations since the first in 1999... CII and CIII in Indy in 2002 and 2005, CIV in LA in 2007, Celebration Europe in 2007, and Celebration Japan in 2008.

Forgive me for going slightly off topic, but I have heard that there might be a CV announcement with (hopefully) the official Star Tours revamp announcement (we already know that scenes have been shot!), but I am hoping only for a Star Tours 2.0 announcement, not that CV is going to be in Orlando Memorial Day weekend... That woul be a disaster with SWW... and a convention that I would not go to because of how many people would be there. :brick:

 

[HMF]

You can find the the article on TheForce.Net here.

To quote that article' Gotta love the mind of a Three year old indeed god knows how many people have my name. LOL!

 

[The Conundrum]

That's not neccasarily true. Lucas did take continuity seriously. In Episode II' Mace Windu say's that Anakin and Obi-Wan have returned from a border dispute on Ansion' which happened in the novel the Approaching Storm set right before Episode II. Also' Aayla Secura originally from the Star Wars Comic Series appeared in both Episodes II and III and Jedi Master Quinlan Vos also from the comics is mentioned in Episode III as having moved his troops to Boz Pity. So' yes the EU does count as "Cannon" and "Really Happened" in the Star Wars Galaxy.

Pretty sad that he spent so much time referencing the EU but making the films out of canon with the original trilogy :hammer:

 

[Maerj]

Pretty sad that he spent so much time referencing the EU but making the films out of canon with the original trilogy :hammer:

The films aren't 'out of canon with the original trilogy.' There are a series of articles at suite101.com that examine the prequels that are quite good, you should check them out.

http://www.suite101.com/articles.cfm/star_wars

 

[The Conundrum]

The films aren't 'out of canon with the original trilogy.' There are a series of articles at suite101.com that examine the prequels that are quite good, you should check them out.

http://www.suite101.com/articles.cfm/star_wars

Those are just attempts at justifications. The fact is the prequels come across as being from a different Star Wars universe.

In the Original movies:

"When I first met him...your father was already an excellent pilot" -Obi Wan Kenobi, but in phantom menace hes a little boy and no racing pod racerz (which obi didn't even see by the way) and pushing buttons in a fighter at the end of the film doesnt count. The OT clearly establishes that Obi Wan met Anakin when he was roughly the same age as luke.

"Do you have any memories of your mother? your real mother?" - Luke
"Just images really...she was beautiful and kind..but always...sad" - Leia

The ending of Episode 3 shows Amidala plopping out luke and leia and then dieng of a "broken heart"

Don't even get me started on the whole Jango Fett/Boba Fett/Clone troopers thing.

Also, Obi Wan's age in the OT does not match up with his age in the prequels. As far as anyone with good taste is concerned the prequels exist in there own little universe.

 

[JarJarJedi]

That's not neccasarily true. Lucas did take continuity seriously. In Episode II' Mace Windu say's that Anakin and Obi-Wan have returned from a border dispute on Ansion' which happened in the novel the Approaching Storm set right before Episode II. Also' Aayla Secura originally from the Star Wars Comic Series appeared in both Episodes II and III and Jedi Master Quinlan Vos also from the comics is mentioned in Episode III as having moved his troops to Boz Pity. So' yes the EU does count as "Cannon" and "Really Happened" in the Star Wars Galaxy.

And to go along with what The Conundrum said, yes, he does go and turn his back on the OT. I have a book that clearly states (The Annotated Screenplays, out before TPM) that Owen is Obi-Wan's brother. Then he totally ruined my favorite EU trilogy with putting the Death Star in RotS.

But to get back on topic (slightly) To weigh my opinion on when Star Tours 2.0 is going to take place in the series is sometime between RotS and ANH to coinside with the live action series that Lucas is working on. I have heard mixed dates for when this series is to premire, but as to what I heard for the Star Tours revamp to be finished in 2011, I'm thinking that it is going to be like the live action series. Of course I could always be entirely wrong, and it could take take place between AotC and RotS since there have been things shot already, and the live action series hasn't been cast yet. :shrug: Only time will truely tell.

And now as to what someone else said about this being the Third Death Star... I would still like to know where Leland Chee got his exact source from. Now I know he does work for Lucasfilm, but I could not find anything about the Third Death Star in The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia that I have, written by Steve Sansweet, Pablo Hidalgo, Bob Vitas, and Daniel Wallace.

The only thing that I can find out about the Death Star III is from Wookieepedia:

The canonicity of the events depicted in the Star Tours ride has been disputed for many reasons, the most obvious being the inclusion of the Death Star. Since R2-D2's presence onboard the ride's Starspeeder 3000 precludes the events taking place during the Battle of Yavin or the Battle of Endor, the Death Star seen in the ride video has been considered by some to be the Death Star prototype, as seen in Jedi Search and Champions of the Force and its destruction to be a depiction of the prototype's destruction at The Maw. However, it does not match that prototype's skeletal construction and R2-D2 is accounted for during that event, as well. Also, the Star Tours Death Star is very close to Endor, far from the Maw's location. This may indicate it is a so far unrevealed Death Star, or that the ride's events are simply not canonical. Others have suggested that the Death Star is one of the modified habitation spheres seen under construction over Coruscant. Leland Chee has tentatively named it the Death Star III.

The Death Star III has not been mentioned anywhere else, and I believe that just like the novel Splinter of the Mind's Eye, this is something else so low on the totem pole of "levels of cannon" as some of us fans like to put it, that this storyline is nonexistant.

 

[Maerj]

Those are just attempts at justifications. The fact is the prequels come across as being from a different Star Wars universe.

In the Original movies:

"When I first met him...your father was already an excellent pilot" -Obi Wan Kenobi, but in phantom menace hes a little boy and no racing pod racerz (which obi didn't even see by the way) and pushing buttons in a fighter at the end of the film doesnt count. The OT clearly establishes that Obi Wan met Anakin when he was roughly the same age as luke.

"Do you have any memories of your mother? your real mother?" - Luke
"Just images really...she was beautiful and kind..but always...sad" - Leia

The ending of Episode 3 shows Amidala plopping out luke and leia and then dieng of a "broken heart"

Don't even get me started on the whole Jango Fett/Boba Fett/Clone troopers thing.

Also, Obi Wan's age in the OT does not match up with his age in the prequels. As far as anyone with good taste is concerned the prequels exist in there own little universe.

Obi Wan didn't ned to see the Pod Races, the fact that Anakin was the only human who could do it would be justification enough for such a statement. The OT never mentioned what anyone's age was when they met.

Prehaps Leia's memories came from pictures she saw of her mother. I'm sure that there were some around where she could draw that conclusion from.

Okay, I won't get you started on Jango/Boba/Clone Troopers. :veryconfu

Obi Wan's age was never stated, so who knows exactly how old he is. Maybe he aged more after going through what he did, then living as a hermit in the desert all those years?

So, from your comments from the link I posted I can either assume that you already read those articles or that you are a REALLY fast reader?

 

[Maerj]

And to go along with what The Conundrum said, yes, he does go and turn his back on the OT. I have a book that clearly states (The Annotated Screenplays, out before TPM) that Owen is Obi-Wan's brother. Then he totally ruined my favorite EU trilogy with putting the Death Star in RotS.

That thing about Obi Wan and Owen being brothers was also in the novel of the movie but never mentioned in the movie itself. Being as it is a ficticious universe, ideas can change as it expands and evolves. I think that the brother thing was an idea that was abandoned. I don't think its an example of turning his back on the OT.

Its like the idea of Luke and Leia being brother and sister. It was in one of the original drafts of the first film and the idea was dropped. Then it was brought back for Jedi. Sorry your favorite EU trilogy was ruined. I'm sure a retcon of some sort will eventually fix it.

 

[JarJarJedi]

That thing about Obi Wan and Owen being brothers was also in the novel of the movie but never mentioned in the movie itself. Being as it is a ficticious universe, ideas can change as it expands and evolves. I think that the brother thing was an idea that was abandoned. I don't think its an example of turning his back on the OT.

Its like the idea of Luke and Leia being brother and sister. It was in one of the original drafts of the first film and the idea was dropped. Then it was brought back for Jedi. Sorry your favorite EU trilogy was ruined. I'm sure a retcon of some sort will eventually fix it.

The passage that I am referring to in The Annotated Screnplays is something that Lucas said himself. He contradicted something that he said. (I wish I knew where my book was so I could give you the exact quote.) But of course he also said that we'd find out in Episode III why some Jedi bodies sick around, and some just fade away.

Nothing will ever fix the first Death Star being in RotS. But the thing that I don't get is that it took them 20 years (maybe 15... used to be 20, but Lucas could have changed that as well) to build the first Death Star. Then it only took them 3 years to get 2/3-3/4 of the way done with the Second Death Star. Was that because they already knew what their flaws were from the original plans that took awhile to be fixed while building it (If you are not sure what I am talking about, I'm referring to the novel Death Star), and they could build it faster?

Forgive me if I go off on tangents, that is just me... if you don't ever understand something that I say, all you gotta do is ask!

 

[HMF]

Those are just attempts at justifications. The fact is the prequels come across as being from a different Star Wars universe.

In the Original movies:

"When I first met him...your father was already an excellent pilot" -Obi Wan Kenobi, but in phantom menace hes a little boy and no racing pod racerz (which obi didn't even see by the way) and pushing buttons in a fighter at the end of the film doesnt count. The OT clearly establishes that Obi Wan met Anakin when he was roughly the same age as luke.

"Do you have any memories of your mother? your real mother?" - Luke
"Just images really...she was beautiful and kind..but always...sad" - Leia

The ending of Episode 3 shows Amidala plopping out luke and leia and then dieng of a "broken heart"

Don't even get me started on the whole Jango Fett/Boba Fett/Clone troopers thing.

Also, Obi Wan's age in the OT does not match up with his age in the prequels. As far as anyone with good taste is concerned the prequels exist in there own little universe.

Point A -Obi-Wan never said that Anakin was the same age as Luke was in Episode IV' In the ame scene Obi-Wan tells Luke that Darth Vader betrayed and murderd his father.
Point B-Force Sensitive beings have stronger memories than normal people and it's possible Leia was talking about her adopted "Mother" Queen Breha Organa of Alderaan.
Point C-The reason the Stormtroopers do not have the same voice is because after the Clone Wars' The Empire started using different Clone Hosts as well as Imperial Navy recruits.
Point D-The effects of living as a hermit on Tatooine made Obi-Wan look older.
Nothing in the prequel trilogy contradicts the Original Trilogy

 

[HMF]

Its like the idea of Luke and Leia being brother and sister. It was in one of the original drafts of the first film and the idea was dropped. Then it was brought back for Jedi. Sorry your favorite EU trilogy was ruined. I'm sure a retcon of some sort will eventually fix it.

If he's talking about the Han Solo Adventures Trilogy that's already been fixed.

 

[The Conundrum]

Point A -Obi-Wan never said that Anakin was the same age as Luke was in Episode IV' In the ame scene Obi-Wan tells Luke that Darth Vader betrayed and murderd his father.

Yes but when Obi Wan met Anakin in TPM he was far from an "excellent pilot".

Point B-Force Sensitive beings have stronger memories than normal people and it's possible Leia was talking about her adopted "Mother" Queen Breha Organa of Alderaan.

Dude, did you miss the part where Luke said "Do you have memories of your mother, your REAL mother?"

Point C-The reason the Stormtroopers do not have the same voice is because after the Clone Wars' The Empire started using different Clone Hosts as well as Imperial Navy recruits.

I understand that but I still think its silly that the stormtroopers were created from Jango/Boba Fett just because the charecter became a fan favorite. If Lucas wanted to use Fett they should have played up the Mandalorian angle instead of making him the progenitor for the Empire.

It would be like if Lucas went and did another trilogy and made Darth Maul one of the most important charecters just because he was a hit with the fans. That was never the plan.

I already forgot about the whole Death Star plothole. The Death Star was a project that came later when the rebellion started posing a threat but in the prequels that thing is already half built by the time the Empire is first formed. Makes no sense and again Lucas just threw it for no reason.

Oh yea and explain to me how jedi master Obi Wan Kenobi has no memories of R2D2 and C3PO and can't remember R4 ("I have no memory of ever owning a droid".)

 

[HMF]

Oh yea and explain to me how jedi master Obi Wan Kenobi has no memories of R2D2 and C3PO and can't remember R4 ("I have no memory of ever owning a droid".)

He does remember them but decides not to tell Luke.

 

[JarJarJedi]

I understand that but I still think its silly that the stormtroopers were created from Jango/Boba Fett just because the charecter became a fan favorite. If Lucas wanted to use Fett they should have played up the Mandalorian angle instead of making him the progenitor for the Empire.

It would be like if Lucas went and did another trilogy and made Darth Maul one of the most important charecters just because he was a hit with the fans. That was never the plan.

I already forgot about the whole Death Star plothole. The Death Star was a project that came later when the rebellion started posing a threat but in the prequels that thing is already half built by the time the Empire is first formed. Makes no sense and again Lucas just threw it for no reason.

Oh yea and explain to me how jedi master Obi Wan Kenobi has no memories of R2D2 and C3PO and can't remember R4 ("I have no memory of ever owning a droid".)

I was reading about Stormtroopers on Wookieepedia just now. You do have a point that Lucas probably just threw the Fetts in because Boba was such a popular character. But not all of the Stormtroopers were Fetts. They eventually stopped using his DNA, and soon started using the DNA from other qualified recruits. They also had regualar recruits within the ranks. Of course all of this could change once we find out what really happens to Kamino. (Possibly something in the live action series? Once again, only time will tell.)

HMF, I'm talking about The Jedi Academy Trilogy, my favorite books in the EU, where my favorite character, Kyp Durron is introduced. :kiss: *dreamy sigh* I haven't read the Han Solo Trilogy yet, I am so behind on my other EU reading, and I get spoiled all of the time anyways.

Too true about the droids! He did have R4, but although the Jedi do not really have possissions, so really didn't R4 belong to the Republic?

 

[HMF]

HMF, I'm talking about The Jedi Academy Trilogy, my favorite books in the EU, where my favorite character, Kyp Durron is introduced. :kiss: *dreamy sigh* I haven't read the Han Solo Trilogy yet, I am so behind on my other EU reading, and I get spoiled all of the time anyways.

What's funny is many fans think that the Death Star in Jedi Academy is the one in Star Tours. which makes no sense because R2-D2's whereabouts are documented in the novel and he can't be two places at once and the destruction of the Death Star is identical to A New Hope so I have to go along with Leland Chee's explaination.Also Kamino was attacked by Boba Fett and the 501st Legion for breeding Anti-Imperial Clone Troopers. So you like Kyp Durron huh' does that mean you hate Jaina Solo? LOL!

 

[JarJarJedi]

What's funny is many fans think that the Death Star in Jedi Academy is the one in Star Tours. which makes no sense because R2-D2's whereabouts are documented in the novel and he can't be two places at once and the destruction of the Death Star is identical to A New Hope so I have to go along with Leland Chee's explaination.Also Kamino was attacked by Boba Fett and the 501st Legion for breeding Anti-Imperial Clone Troopers. So you like Kyp Durron huh' does that mean you hate Jaina Solo? LOL!

Even though I have not been on Star Tours, at least recent enoiugh that I can remember, I know that the Death Star on Star Tours and the one in the JAT are not the same, just of hearing how you guys described it here. I know that the Death Star within The Maw is only a frame, it is pictured on the cover of Champions of the Force. But haven't we ever thought that there might be more than one R2-D2? The Galaxy is a big place, you know. :ROFLOL:

Thanks for answering that question on Kamino! I guess it is in one of the books/comics that I have still yet to read.

As for your Jaina Solo question, I can not answer. I've only read the books after RotJ up until The Black Fleet Crisis. (Save for the few newer ones... I reread Harry Potter and been working on a few of the Clone Wars books... but stuck on Wild Space.) While I know what basically happens between them, and I know that she falls for another character later. I guess I will have to answer that once I read the NJO.

But I have made my own original character who falls in love with Kyp, so at least I've got that. :kiss: (But a slight case of writer's block. :brick

 

[HMF]

Thanks for answering that question on Kamino! I guess it is in one of the books/comics that I have still yet to read.

It's actually in the Video Game Star Wars Battlefront II.:animwink:

 

[HMF]

But haven't we ever thought that there might be more than one R2-D2? The Galaxy is a big place, you know. :ROFLOL:
)

Well if there can be two Rexes.