Staggs says changes to Fantasyland...

[lebeau]

jt's claim that Iger doesn't greenlight non-franchises doesn't make sense when you look at HKDL's Mystic Manor or Grizzly Peak.

I'm holding out some hope for Snow White's mine car coaster.

jt likes to throw around Iger's name and the word "franchise" but he has no idea what Iger's role is or what the word "franchise" even means. It's best we ignore him. He's dominating a thread that was previously a good read.

We all know his routine by now. We all know he'll be proven wrong and then spin, spin, spin. I guess it's part of the "charm" of this forum. But, let's not feed him any more on this thread.

And, thanks for the info juan and lee. You guys have made this thread an interesting diversion during my work day!

 

[WDW Vacationer]

Then instead of being vague can everyone be more specific? I don't really see a point of beating around the bush for 100 pages. If we can't openly speculate, then should we at all? I understand that you are leery because people take what you say as gold (me being one of them) but still...this is getting silly. Alas, I guess it is fun in a way!

He's trying to know with very little doubt what the current plans are before he posts it here. I'd rather wait and get the right stuff rather than wrong stuff. He has given us some things to piece together. I'm confident he'll share what he can as soon as he can.

Thanks for the food cart info. I've wondered why Casey was there.

I wonder if Storyland Canal Boats have been thought of? They can go through the whole new area...

 

[xdan0920]

I for one am glad to not know any exact details. Who doesn't like a good mystery? What we are hearing is that their are major changes, and they won't significantly impact the time table of the additions. That sounds really good to me.

 

[IWant2GoNow]

This thread has been awesome... except for jt's comments. jt, normally I can tolerate your posts and debate fairly well with you on certain things whether we agree or not, but your behavior in this particular thread is downright obnoxious.

I'd love to throw out what I think the changes are but I'm wondering one thing. I hate asking juan another question because I feel like we've tortured him enough trying to get info we know he can't release. But here goes...

juan, could you enlighten me as to what you like about *new* FLE West and what you don't like about *new* FLE East? Is it the theming? The franchises? The attractions? Obviously don't name any specific franchise or rides. Heck, I don't even know if you can technically answer my question without getting pinned for something. Thanks for anything you can provide. :wave:

 

[jt04]

Originally Posted by SeaCastle
jt's claim that Iger doesn't greenlight non-franchises doesn't make sense when you look at HKDL's Mystic Manor or Grizzly Peak.


Iger does not control everything at the overseas parks. But in the states he does. As far as I know he has not approved anything for the parks in the US that is not part of an existing property. Here is a chance to prove me wrong.

jt likes to throw around Iger's name and the word "franchise" but he has no idea what Iger's role is or what the word "franchise" even means. It's best we ignore him. He's dominating a thread that was previously a good read.

We all know his routine by now. We all know he'll be proven wrong and then spin, spin, spin. I guess it's part of the "charm" of this forum. But, let's not feed him any more on this thread.

And, thanks for the info juan and lee. You guys have made this thread an interesting diversion during my work day!

Iger is the CEO just as Eisner was. Iger does not choose to explain his involvement in the parks as Eisner did during his tenure. You would have thought Eisner was an Imagineer :lol:. But to say Iger does not have the final say on large capital projects is naive. Does that mean he spends a lot of time on Flower St.? Of course not. I'm sure WDI goes to his office with presentations for approval.

Since you seem to think I don't understand "franchise", perhaps you could educate me and others here who don't have your knowledge.

Thanks. :wave:

 

[castevens]

High-Five to anyone who can write sparknotes on this entire thread!

 

[jt04]

This thread has been awesome... except for jt's comments. jt, normally I can tolerate your posts and debate fairly well with you on certain things whether we agree or not, but your behavior in this particular thread is downright obnoxious.

Could you kindly be more specific? I'm trying to save people from a huge let down. I don't see how that is "obnoxious".

I'd love to throw out what I think the changes are but I'm wondering one thing. I hate asking juan another question because I feel like we've tortured him enough trying to get info we know he can't release. But here goes...

juan, could you enlighten me as to what you like about *new* FLE West and what you don't like about *new* FLE East? Is it the theming? The franchises? The attractions? Obviously don't name any specific franchise or rides. Heck, I don't even know if you can technically answer my question without getting pinned for something. Thanks for anything you can provide. :wave:

Good luck with trying to get information, any information, from juan. He has none. I think that is clearly obvious at this point. Lee is sincere even if a bit misguided. You are better off asking him.

 

[SeaCastle]

Good luck with trying to get information, any information, from juan. He has none. I think that is clearly obvious at this point. Lee is sincere even if a bit misguided. You are better off asking him.

I don't understand your hostility to any changes in the FLE. Would you rather he coloring with Aurora rather than on a ride?

Also, how about you going on the record with what you "know" the new Fantasyland will look like? It'll be interesting to compare to the forthcoming announcements. Oh, and no broad generalizations either. We all know your ploy to never sound wrong, and it's getting old. There's no shame in admitting your wrong.

And again, a huge thanks to Lee and juan.:wave:

 

[Lee]

Lee is sincere even if a bit misguided.

Please...elaborate...:hammer:

 

[lebeau]

Please...elaborate...:hammer:

You are "sincere" in that we all know you have real info and "misguided" in that your info conflicts with jts view of how things should be.

 

[castevens]

You are "sincere" in that we all know you have real info and "misguided" in that your info conflicts with jts view of how things should be.

:sohappy: excellent elaboration. Now if we could only get the people in-the-know to elaborate!

 

[ChrisM]

I think it's important to note that a vast number (likely a majority) of visitors to WDW are not quite the Disney fanatics that many that frequent these forums are.

Therefore, when it comes to attractions, there are a huge number of park goers who will have absolutely no idea who Casey Jr is. In fact, there are going to be a huge number that likely have never seen many of the older films or are in any way familiar with all of the Disney minutia that so many here obsess over.

I count myself among this group. I'm a theme park enthusiast - I have a love of WDW because (1) it is still the premier theme park resort, as a whole, in the world and (2) I have extremely fond memories of my visits there with my family as I grew up. Aside from Bambi and Beauty and the Beast, I had never seen the vast majority of the Disney catalog of movies until I had children. I've still never seen Dumbo or Pinocchio and, frankly, have no real compelling interest to do so.

So what the hell am I getting at? What I'm getting at is that any new attractions need to be appealing to, and resonant with, even the most casual guests. Unless it's an extremely well known Disney character or property - either through a film/show or an existing park attraction - there's no way they are going to create something major around it. Anyone clamoring for a Casey Jr ride needs to ask themselves who the heck even knows that character? Until I started frequenting these boards, I sure as heck didn't.

A Casey Jr. quick service spot, on the other hand, makes perfect sense. It's something that no one really needs to understand but fits in with the Dumbo theme and is a nice nod to the Disney fanatic who will likely wet their pants about it and then go buy more DVC points or book a Disney cruise while ramming a Dole Whip in their face.

 

[jt04]

I don't understand your hostility to any changes in the FLE. Would you rather he coloring with Aurora rather than on a ride?

Also, how about you going on the record with what you "know" the new Fantasyland will look like? It'll be interesting to compare to the forthcoming announcements. Oh, and no broad generalizations either. We all know your ploy to never sound wrong, and it's getting old. There's no shame in admitting your wrong.

And again, a huge thanks to Lee and juan.:wave:

Let me be a bit more clear. There are people here who are deliberately distorting what Skaggs said. They know very well the changes are not as some are spinning. They are trying to build up as much anticipation as possible to create a backlash when they turn out to be minor changes at the margins. They enjoy watching Disney execs jump through hoops. By Skaggs reacting to the doom and gloom stories of the FLE being gutted he only encouraged and fed the beast.:fork:

Notice I did not name names. I will leave that to the reader's discretion.

I'm the only one being honest and trying to keep folks (casual readers) from being dissappointed. Because I am honorable.


Edit: I was rather detailed in my details on how I think the changes will look. I forgot to add that I think FL west will retain it's carnival/circus theme. Dumbo next to village haus as the American circus is visiting Cindy's kingdom just outside the walls. The next aerial pics should be definitive.

 

[ChrisM]

Lee -

Do you have any gut feeling as to when the details about this might begin to leak? From either you or some other source.

Gracias.

 

[IWant2GoNow]

Good luck with trying to get information, any information, from juan. He has none. I think that is clearly obvious at this point. Lee is sincere even if a bit misguided. You are better off asking him.

Thing is, I don't need to be more specific than your question to me. You say you're "trying to save people from a huge let down", when you yourself don't even know what is going on. I am all for downplaying our excitement in case what is announced really isn't all that wonderful, but you have been claiming numerous times that certain things aren't coming when you don't know any more than I do. And don't ask for links and post #'s because I don't have time for that when it's so blatantly obvious.

And since juan and Lee, according to you, have no clue what is going on, why do you continue to come back to this thread to trash them?

I'm not asking for the whole truth from juan, I just want to know what his likes and dislikes were concerning the changes that he has heard about.

jt, we all enjoy being right. But it really, to me, kills all sense of wonder when you thwart everyone's ideas with what you assume is right over a couple people who have had more credible information and sources than you have ever had. Opinion is the key word on these boards. Don't state in absolutes when no one knows for sure what is going on.

 

[SeaCastle]

Let me be a bit more clear. There are people here who are deliberately distorting what Skaggs said. They know very well the changes are not as some are spinning. They are trying to build up as much anticipation as possible to create a backlash when they turn out to be minor changes at the margins. They enjoy watching Disney execs jump through hoops. By Skaggs reacting to the doom and gloom stories of the FLE being gutted he only encouraged and fed the beast.:fork:

Notice I did not name names. I will leave that to the reader's discretion.

I'm the only one being honest and trying to keep folks (casual readers) from being dissappointed. Because I am honorable.

I'm certain *you* are the one distorting what Staggs said. Nevermind the fact you obviously didn't read or answer to my post. You're also playing the "conspiracy theory" card again by saying WDWMAGIC posters are taking part in a scheme to sway decisions made by the.project heads.

 

[lebeau]

There are people here who are deliberately distorting what Skaggs said.

Agreed. Someone is definitely doing this. One person comes to mind. I wonder who it could be. :shrug:

In keeping with the spirit of the thread, I'll give some hints:

Clue 1: It's not Lee.

Clue 2: It's not Juan.

Clue 3: It's jt.

 

[jt04]

Thing is, I don't need to be more specific than your question to me. You say you're "trying to save people from a huge let down", when you yourself don't even know what is going on. I am all for downplaying our excitement in case what is announced really isn't all that wonderful, but you have been claiming numerous times that certain things aren't coming when you don't know any more than I do. And don't ask for links and post #'s because I don't have time for that when it's so blatantly obvious.

And since juan and Lee, according to you, have no clue what is going on, why do you continue to come back to this thread to trash them?

I never said Lee does not have a clue. I just said he is misguided which he hisownself admitted. :shrug:

I'm not asking for the whole truth from juan, I just want to know what his likes and dislikes were concerning the changes that he has heard about.

jt, we all enjoy being right. But it really, to me, kills all sense of wonder when you thwart everyone's ideas with what you assume is right over a couple people who have had more credible information and sources than you have ever had. Opinion is the key word on these boards. Don't state in absolutes when no one knows for sure what is going on.

juan has told us absolutely nothing. It is disturbing that some folks here think he has. Scarey really. Very very scarey.

I'm certain *you* are the one distorting what Staggs said. Nevermind the fact you obviously didn't read or answer to my post. You're also playing the "conspiracy theory" card again by saying WDWMAGIC posters are taking part in a scheme to sway decisions made by the.project heads.

Could you ask specific questions. Then I can give specific answers. Staggs did not go public for the fun of it. The mischief makers caused him to. Now they are doing the same thing from the opposite side. It is a tactic.

 

[Lee]

Let me be a bit more clear. There are people here who are deliberately distorting what Skaggs said.

Not me.

They know very well the changes are not as some are spinning. They are trying to build up as much anticipation as possible to create a backlash when they turn out to be minor changes at the margins.

Not me.

They enjoy watching Disney execs jump through hoops. By Skaggs reacting to the doom and gloom stories of the FLE being gutted he only encouraged and fed the beast.:fork:

Not really.
Staggs began changing the FLE well before we really knew about it here. His recent comments only confirmed what many of us already knew/suspected.
We are actually running a few months behind what is really going on. That's why I'm now playing catch-up. Trying to trade in my older info for some that is more current.

I'm the only one being honest and trying to keep folks (casual readers) from being dissappointed. Because I am honorable.

I'm not being honest? Please.
I don't deal in misinformation or spin. I don't promote my opinion as truth.
I deal in information, which leads to facts. If I don't trust what I hear, I don't bring it here. Why? Because I don't want to mislead anyone, or get anyone's hopes up when the information may not be 100% accurate.
That's why I'm playing this FLE kinda close right now. I'm sorting through a mountain of info to get to the truth.

Dumbo next to village haus as the American circus is visiting Cindy's kingdom just outside the walls.

Where do you even get that from? You think Dumbo isn't moving? Why?

Lee -
Do you have any gut feeling as to when the details about this might begin to leak? From either you or some other source.
Gracias.

As soon as I get a bit more confirmation on a few points I'll begin to pass on what I know.

I never said Lee does not have a clue. I just said he is misguided which he hisownself admitted.

Nope. I never said that. I said I took a tidbit of information and made an incorrect step in logic. Won't happen again. No more trying to read between the lines.

 

[IWant2GoNow]

juan has told us absolutely nothing. It is disturbing that some folks here think he has. Scarey really. Very very scarey.

Nor did I say he has. But he has been trying to give hints to something. Obviously, other than Lee's confirmation on the Casey Jr. food cart, nothing has been said because technically, no one CAN say anything. Juan for NDA reasons, and Lee because he won't post info without being completely confident on his sources.

Don't hate... speculate.

Which doesn't mean hate on other's speculations by telling people something isn't happening when you just don't know.

BTW... Scary*