Staggs says changes to Fantasyland...

[DisneyParksFan1]

Lol, I'm thinking Pan is being replaced by PH, IDK what they'll do with the ride that's currently getting a refurb, but hey, Phase 2 IS supposed to open 3 years from now.

BTW, long time no read dxer07002.

 

[unkadug]

Well I've hit 900 post. Once I hit 1,000 I'll "retire" from posting.

Let's make these last 100 post good ones.

Why? So you can come back as someone else just a little bit MORE obnoxious?

 

[BrerFrog]

Doesn't take away from the fact that it is still Snow White...

Whatever it is, let's just hope for something good....

**Speculating is the fun part...

I would say it is half the fun. Don't forget about complaining on what has been announced. :lol:

 

[yeti]

Why? So you can come back as someone else just a little bit MORE obnoxious?

We'll know to be suspicious when a new member known as "Black bear corridor 72" starts flooding the forums from out of nowhere.

Only 67 left!!:sohappy::sohappy:

 

[unkadug]

We'll know to be suspicious when a new member known as "Black bear corridor 72" starts flooding the forums from out of nowhere.

Only 67 left!!:sohappy::sohappy:

I think we should hold him to his promise.

 

[yeti]

I think we should hold him to his promise.

Assuming he can keep it...

 

[Captain Chaos]

I would say it is half the fun. Don't forget about complaining on what has been announced. :lol:

Well, the complaining is expected... And honestly very annoying... My feeling is, if you (not you personally) don't like then don't visit it... I loathe selfish and greedy me-first people...

 

[Captain Chaos]

Lol, I'm thinking Pan is being replaced by PH, IDK what they'll do with the ride that's currently getting a refurb, but hey, Phase 2 IS supposed to open 3 years from now.

BTW, long time no read dxer07002.

PH would be getting replaced by Peter Pan :lol:

And it has been a while since i posted in this tread.....

 

[Grizzly Hall 71]

We'll know to be suspicious when a new member known as "Black bear corridor 72" starts flooding the forums from out of nowhere.

Only 67 left!!:sohappy::sohappy:

You mean you guys don't like me .

 

[wm49rs]

66......







Sense sure you have, else could you not have motion; but sure that sense is apoplex'd.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Allow me to take the list juan said was a good list and examine:

Alice in Wonderland
Beauty and the Beast
Cinderella
Dumbo
Peter Pan
Pinocchio
Pixie franchise
Sleeping Beauty
Snow White
The Little Mermaid
Winnie the Pooh

Ok, Beauty and the Beast is going into the western portion of the expansion, I doubt they will add more BatB stuff to the eastern end, so thats out:

Alice in Wonderland
Cinderella
Dumbo
Peter Pan
Pinocchio
Pixie franchise
Sleeping Beauty
Snow White
The Little Mermaid
Winnie the Pooh

Dumbo is getting the circus theme and two spinners... I believe the spinners will reside in the northern portion of the eastern side, where Toontown Fair is.. So, unless a dark ride is being added (highly doubtful) or the circus will include teh Barnstormer, Dumbo is out...

Alice in Wonderland
Beauty and the Beast
Cinderella
Peter Pan
Pinocchio
Pixie franchise
Sleeping Beauty
Snow White
The Little Mermaid
Winnie the Pooh

The Little Mermaid is aalreadying her D/E attraction.. Could Ariel's Grotto come back, but in the form of the indoor themed land in, where is it, Toyko Disneyland?? Again, highly doubtful...

Alice in Wonderland
Cinderella
Peter Pan
Pinocchio
Pixie franchise
Sleeping Beauty
Snow White
Winnie the Pooh

Cinderella and Aurora were getting cottages for meet and greets... Supposedly the meet and greets were scaled down, but are staying put, which to me means no princesses on the eastern portion of the expansion.. So I will eliminate Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty

Alice in Wonderland
Peter Pan
Pinocchio
Pixie franchise
Snow White
Winnie the Pooh

People seem to want the Dwarves' mine coaster... lee said it isn't happening.. I believe him.. Why?? Well, re-theming the barnstormer to the mine coaster moves it away from Snow White's dark ride... And since it seems the Cinderella and Aurora cottages are going to be built, the coaster cannot be put in front of the current Snow White ride.. Does that mean the coaster isn't being planned?? of course not... Sure, the story can be you have to walk through the forest to get to the mines... Not out the realm of possibility... I'll remove Snow White but include Dwarves Mine Coaster..

Alice in Wonderland
Peter Pan
Pinocchio
Pixie franchise
Mine Coaster (replacing barnstormer or possibly new, maybe replacing Cinderella's meet and greet area????)
Winnie the Pooh

Ok, Winnie the Pooh... I don't see any more Winnie the Pooh stuff being added... Unless, 100 Acre Wood is expanded to include the tea cups and the cups are replaces with honey pots... Highly unlikely, so Pooh is gone..

Alice in Wonderland
Peter Pan
Pinocchio
Pixie franchise
Mine Coaster (replacing barnstormer or possibly new, maybe replacing Cinderella's meet and greet area????)

Ahhh the pixie's... let me tie this in with Peter Pan... Both are represented.. PH already was int he plans for the expansion... And now, rumor has it, PH is dead and is either being replaced, or maybe being expanded on... Insiders here said the PH as planned is dead... Never really said PH is completely dead... So, that leads me to this.. Staggs said they looked at what they had and expanded on it.. Hmmm, Pixie Hollow, Tinker Belle, Peter Pan... why, of course... NEVERLAND!!! Sure, Lee said Neverland ain't happening, but he also said he has no clue what the new plans include... Possibly include Neverland?? Maybe... As for a ride, well, why not a new PPF??? The land won't open for 3 years anyway, so the current PPF can stay around until the new one is ready... And forget the current refurbishment of the outside of the ride... The was probably scheduled long before any FLE plans changed... And of course the ride will be staying open for at least 3 years, so finishing the refurb made sense... Pixie Hollow will have a place in Neverland so Tink and the fairies get their M&G... I will remove Pixies but keep Peter Pan...

Alice in Wonderland
Peter Pan (possibly Neverland, replacing Pixie Hollow)
Pinocchio
Mine Coaster (replacing barnstormer or possibly new, maybe replacing Cinderella's meet and greet area????)

Pinocchio... represented by the Pinocchio Village Haus... Could Pinocchio replace Pixie Hollow?? Why not?? However, those of you who say no to Neverland since PPF is on the other side of Fantasyland, well, then no Pinocchio for the same reason... I'll remove Pinochhio beause I just don't see him as a possibility.. Sad to say cause I'm sure a Pinocchiop dark ride would be amazing!!! he is such a classic and needs some better representation in MK in my opinion..

Alice in Wonderland
Peter Pan (possibly Neverland, replacing Pixie Hollow)
Mine Coaster (replacing barnstormer or possibly new, maybe replacing Cinderella's meet and greet area????)

Now, we come to Alice in Wonderland... Hmmm, Alice in Wonderland... New movie made money hand over fist... Alice seems to be in vogue since the Tim Burton movie... Mad tea Party already exists and is rumored to be getting a new roof later this year.. Hmmm... getting it prepared to fit a Wonderland land theme??? The budget slightly increased according to Staggs... Slightly could be just enough to build an Alice in Wonderland dark ride.. Take the money saved from not building PH, increase the budget a bit and BAM, enough for Wonderland!!! Does Alice skew toward girls?? I don't think so.. The characters in Wonderland appeal to everyone I think... Now, let's think some more... What one land has majority of the WDWMagic members wanted?? WONDERLAND... What has Steve and Raven and juan said about the new plans??? WE WOULD BE HAPPY... What land would make the members here happy?? WONDERLAND...

So, there are my final three for the eastern expansion:

Alice in Wonderland
Peter Pan (possibly Neverland, replacing Pixie Hollow)
Mine Coaster (replacing barnstormer or possibly new, maybe replacing Cinderella's meet and greet area????)

One franchise I didn't see mentioned, however, was Lion King, which is represented in the MK... However, since Lion King was not on the original list, and juan gave a thumbs up to that list, I didn't include it...

Well, ponder that for a while... If I am off on anything, please feel free to add your two cents everyone...

 

[RSoxNo1]

I'm sticking with Snow White mine coaster. You said two additions, so it makes me think one isn't on that list and therefore I'd say Hercules? I'm probably reading too much into this though lol

Lee I believe said that it's not coming.

We know this was discussed at one point, but does anyone have any idea what the scope of this was supposed to be? I can't imagine it as more than a D ticket, and even that would be a pretty substantial change. Having said all that, I still wouldn't rule it out.

I was referring to company-wide plans being the iceberg. I'm more excited about those than the FLE.

And to clarify, I like new FLE west, not new FLE east.

So the Pixie Hollow area was originally in Fantasy Land East, and that is changing. You don't like "new FLE east", does that mean you don't like what is replacing the Pixie's in Fantasyland East, but you do like the original plans for Fantasy Land Expansion West, or you like something added that wasn't in the original plans for Fantasyland West?

well staggs said the plans were changing a bit and getting less girly. Since PH was a big part of FLE east, that could be what's changing.

Assuming a Pixie meet and greet is still happening, just in a toned version, it would make far more sense by the old Skyway building.

Lol, I'm thinking Pan is being replaced by PH, IDK what they'll do with the ride that's currently getting a refurb, but hey, Phase 2 IS supposed to open 3 years from now.

I don't see a way Peter Pan's Flight gets replaced if that's what you're saying. I wouldn't be surprised if some attention is paid to it though.

We'll know to be suspicious when a new member known as "Black bear corridor 72" starts flooding the forums from out of nowhere.

Only 67 left!!:sohappy::sohappy:

I'm completely lost be this post. If anyone wants to clarify - please feel free.

My speculations:
1. A C/D ticket level ride will be added to the expansion replacing Pixie Hollow. In an attempt to not get blasted the same way juan is getting blasted, I've heard things about what this new attraction can be, and the information juan is presenting seems to be inline with the information I have. However, like Lee I'm not particularly comfortable presenting that information yet because I don't know it as fact. Couple that with the fact that my lone source is Jim Hill, and citing him as my source will undoubtedly turn this thread into a flame war of infinite proportions.
2. RFID is coming sooner than we think. We heard rumblings about it a while ago, but the queue work and ride closure of Winnie the Pooh seem to lend itself to this. It's also been mentioned somewhere that Ariel's Undersea Adventure will use this technology. If this is the case, I would expect every Fantasyland ride to continue the staggered closings for RFID upgrades.

 

[Shaman]

The "changes" will probably be the additions of Peter Pan (will this section/plot be "moved up" closer to Pan ride? or built near it)...and Pinocchio (something close to new Dumbo perhaps?)....I'm still holding up some hope for Aladdin (since it is represented in the parks)...although I forgot about Sword in the Stone...which would make for a great "wizardry" M&G...:lookaroun

Interesting that the people in the know seem to be intrigued (surprised?) by the details they are getting about the rework. I'm guessing (hoping) the good kind.

Regardless...everyone won't be happy in the end. It happens every time. The purists will always hate change...and everyone will be annoyed by the purists.

:shrug:

 

[juan]

So the Pixie Hollow area was originally in Fantasy Land East, and that is changing. You don't like "new FLE east", that means you don't like what is replacing the Pixie's in Fantasyland East, but you do like the something added that wasn't in the original plans for Fantasyland West?

rearranged quote for truth. As it reads now I say yes.

 

[DisneyParksFan1]

rearranged quote for truth. As it reads now I say yes.

So what's going to FLE East isn't good, but what's going to FLE west is?

Okay, first of all, there's something new in FLE West?!?

 

[Ausdaddy]

There has been a trend by a few posters lately that they have seen the great and wonderful plans but they can't share them. They say folks would be beyond amazed. Then they say they can't even hint at the plans. I'm calling shenanigans with emphasis!

Oh no you didn't. Shenanigans....WITH EMPHASIS! It's on now!

 

[Mrs.Toad]

Yes...YES! Deduction and reasoning.

I think the fuzz is getting clearer and perhaps narrowing a bit?

Changes could encompass scaling down, removals, and additions.

I read the Staggs quotes again to make sure I didn't miss something.

"We took a hard look at it amongst a number of us and said,' Can we make this appeal broader? Can we make it even better?"

They can't do this by just removing or down-sizing Something(s) is getting added and I agree it is going to be something that differs from the Princesses and their target audience. I guess you could see it from many angles but for broader appeal, I agree that Neverland or Wonderland (Peter Pan/Alice) would offer more and make more people happy. Adult interest and Staggs concerns for the boys would be addressed. Ok, not if you are a little boy into cars and monsters and stuff but perhaps more than the princess franchise would appeal to you.

I figure that since this is the largest MK expansion ever they really want to do this justice because they are not going to expand Fantasyland again for quite some time after this is done, I would think. Perhaps not even in our lifetime and they really want to ensure that the appeal is broadened and the land is maximized with offerings. They really want to do this right and perhaps just adding LM and the restaurant outside of the M&G's wasn't all they felt they could do to appeal to all park guests.

Seems like Staggs knew very simply, hey, we need more than this.

"I think we've added some things that aren't just princess-focused, and that's a good positive."

Perhaps down-sizing and yet retaining princesses, and utilizing plans for additions more skewed to boys and adults too.

Some possibilities more likely than others but at least we are now getting a better picture this week than perhaps we had last week on the threads.

Only thing is... I am still holding out that Pinocchio is a possibility and something else concerns me too.

Toon Town will still be there for awhile, so nothing else can be built on that land until it is removed. And though Tom Staggs said the possibility for spending more money than was planned was an option, I believe the phase completions and overall project completion date isn't changing.

So how much playing around can Staggs and the team do especially wit prospective additions with the due date rapidly approaching? 2010 half gone already.

I am leaning more towards established rides in other parks for their inspiration or old ideas.

How much can they add and change and still finish near or around the date?

Any contractors on these threads?

Could they really design something very different and unique for the additions and still make the date?

How will they build LM, the restaurant, the counter service, make sure they deliver a good princess product and areas if there are changes, and now handle new additions to their plans within the set timeframe.

Hope there is not such a scramble to appeal to more and then the quality of the Fantasyland expansion as a whole suffers from rushed or uninspired work or lacks a chohesive vision as we have seen happen to the parks before in some cases.

 

[Lee]

We know this was discussed at one point, but does anyone have any idea what the scope of this was supposed to be? I can't imagine it as more than a D ticket, and even that would be a pretty substantial change. Having said all that, I still wouldn't rule it out.

I am hearing nothing that specifically points toward the SW coaster at this point. Nor have I heard it completely ruled out.
At this point...I say no. Until I hear differently....
There is a new ride coming...I just can't pin the details down.....yet.

So the Pixie Hollow area was originally in Fantasy Land East, and that is changing. You don't like "new FLE east", does that mean you don't like what is replacing the Pixie's in Fantasyland East, but you do like the original plans for Fantasy Land Expansion West, or you like something added that wasn't in the original plans for Fantasyland West?.

See, right there is where things are getting interesting. I've been bombarded with information in the last 24 hours pointing to substantial changes to the previously untouchable west side. Still trying to confirm the details, but it is looking a little like some Princesses may not be getting such fancy new digs.:lookaroun

I don't see a way Peter Pan's Flight gets replaced if that's what you're saying.

It's not.

and the information juan is presenting seems to be inline with the information I have.

Same here. Some of what I'm hearing from juan is falling into place with what is trickling in from some of my other sources.

However, like Lee I'm not particularly comfortable presenting that information yet because I don't know it as fact.

Welcome to my world.:lol:
Even now I'm learning that I'm very likely going to have to backtrack on some stuff I earlier said as fact. That's because I took info from multiple sources and filled in some blanks/read between some lines. I fear I may have jumped the gun on something that I hope to be able to correct soon.
(No, it isn't PH. That is still deader than disco.)

Couple that with the fact that my lone source is Jim Hill, and citing him as my source will undoubtedly turn this thread into a flame war of infinite proportions.

From what I'm hearing, Jim is very much in the ballpark on the FLE.

2. RFID is coming sooner than we think.

Oh, it's coming. Should indeed start seeing signs as soon as the FLE work begins to be completed. Yes, that includes refurbs.

Interesting that the people in the know seem to be intrigued (surprised?) by the details they are getting about the rework. I'm guessing (hoping) the good kind.

Oh, yeah. I've had to push back from my keyboard a couple times lately and mutter "Really?"....
As far as it being good....I guess. I was never attached to anything in FL anyway.:shrug:

Okay, first of all, there's something new in FLE West?!?

Oddly enough....yeah. Looks like.

Lol, I'm thinking Pan is being replaced by PH

No.

 

[Captain Chaos]

Oy, this gets more and more frustrating...

OHHHH wait, Cinderella's chateau is gone???? I understand the concept art depicting her chateau is no longer on the construction walls.... Is that true???

 

[LudwigVonDrake]

I'll continue with my uninformed, uneducated guess of the Dwarves mine train ride. I'd really like a Pinocchio dark ride too if you can throw one my way