SPOILERS: The Mandalorian Season 2 Discussion

[Santa Raccoon 77]

Question. Are the last 3 movies cannon or not?

Some think they should be shot out of a canon.

 

[erasure fan1]

I really love that John seems to be a big fan of biker scouts and speeder bikes. They are one of my favorite parts of star wars so I'm glad they are sshowing up so much. They said they would dip into how we got to the sequels. Hopefully we get more insight into the first order and Snoke. They aren't going to change the sequels, so hopefully they can add some much needed backstory. I loved the episode, it was great to see the 3 together kicking butt. I'm really hoping the last 2 episodes are like the first from a time standpoint. Otherwise we are in for a lot of unanswered questions.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Has anyone been keeping a list of the new food / snacks so that we can check them off when they are added to Galaxy's Edge. Like, when do we get blue cookies?

Actually surprised that Baby Yoda blue macarons are not being sold today at Galaxy's Edge in DHS! #comingsoonforsure

Uni already sells chocolate frogs from their franchise, but again surprised GE doesn't offer jelly frogs or whatever by now. #foodopportunities

But please, no in-theme actual frog legs along with the Tip-Yip!

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

Welp, once again there is the kid being a glutton - and stealing food from another kid. I get it - that's what toddlers do - but it's becoming as repetitive as "I'll help you - but first..." which we also got again in this episode. And I also get it - if I watched any 1950's TV western I'd see the exact same setup and these are an homage ("All right, gunslinger, I'll feed you in my farmhouse and help re-shoe your horse but first you have to help me with these rustlers stealing my cattle!"). But if it becomes too repetitious, it can lose its charm IMO.

Happy to see Carl & Gina again though (is Carl just one of the most utterly charming fellows ever??? and him cuddling the baby like a proud grandpa - awwww!) and to see some of the larger mythology unfold along with a nice tone of Star Wars comedic bits and incompetent Stormtroopers.

But I did really enjoy the GOTG Baby Groot homage stuff at the beginning of the episode. We love our baby characters, yes we do, especially when we try to 'splain to them what button not to push.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Question. Are the last 3 movies cannon or not?

Some think they should be shot out of a canon.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Spoiler

so the clone/dark/troopers are just a cover for his real work in reviving Palpatine? I could see that.

Spoiler: Spoiler

its been a year...can’t we forget about that? We’ve suffered enough

Question. Are the last 3 movies cannon or not?

Spoiler: Spoiler

i don’t want to spoil it for anyone...but they absolutely sucked. Get worse each day. There’s really no way to comprehend that level of failure.

Some think they should be shot out of a canon.

Ohhhh!!! Pick me!!!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Welp, once again there is the kid being a glutton - and stealing food from another kid. I get it - that's what toddlers do - but it's becoming as repetitive as "I'll help you - but first..." which we also got again in this episode. And I also get it - if I watched any 1950's TV western I'd see the exact same setup and these are an homage ("All right, gunslinger, I'll feed you in my farmhouse and help re-shoe your horse but first you have to help me with these rustlers stealing my cattle!"). But if it becomes too repetitious, it can lose its charm IMO.

Happy to see Carl & Gina again though (is Carl just one of the most utterly charming fellows ever??? and him cuddling the baby like a proud grandpa - awwww!) and to see some of the larger mythology unfold along with a nice tone of Star Wars comedic bits and incompetent Stormtroopers.

But I did really enjoy the GOTG Baby Groot homage stuff at the beginning of the episode. We love our baby characters, yes we do, especially when we try to 'splain to them what button not to push.

I liked the episode...but it’s getting a tad too cute. Also a little to “gi Joe...good guys win easy”...but still a good diversion.

I loved the biker scouts. One thing that they are not shy about is showcasing the old tech history of the OT and modernizing it in a way that shows just how much resonance it still has. It wasn’t broke and nobody ever had the right to “fix it.”

 

[MisterPenguin]

 

[erasure fan1]

I liked the episode...but it’s getting a tad too cute. Also a little to “gi Joe...good guys win easy”...but still a good diversion.

As someone who plays video games, it has a real adventure role playing game feel to it. Complete with side quests and end bosses. Just like a video game, you go to new area, talk to the people, they have a task they need help with, once complete you gain the item or information to move to the next area. It's actually kind of scary how close it follows the video game formula.

 

[MisterPenguin]

As someone who plays video games, it has a real adventure role playing game feel to it. Complete with side quests and end bosses. Just like a video game, you go to new area, talk to the people, they have a task they need help with, once complete you gain the item or information to move to the next area. It's actually kind of scary how close it follows the video game formula.

Longest. Escort mission. Ever.

 

[erasure fan1]

Longest. Escort mission. Ever.

Right! And don't get me wrong, I don't mind it at all. There is a reason I have more hours sunk into games like mass effect, elder scrolls and knights of the old republic than I care to admit. Lol

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

They said they spent a lot of the first season budget establishing sets and such, and that they could do more this season, and it shows.

This episode felt truly epic, they're really doing movie level stuff for a TV show.

The handful of good guys defeats hundreds of Storm Troopers in an Imperial base was a cliche.

I like how they didn't actually say midi-chlorians. "We'd better ease the audience into that".

 

[Screamface]

Spoiler

so the clone/dark/troopers are just a cover for his real work in reviving Palpatine? I could see that.

I seriously doubt they will go into any of that sequel stuff in the show. What's the point? It'd be like making a TV show about people discovering the death star is being built and trying to stop it set a few years after Revenge of the Sith. What's the point? They won't achieve it. They won't get the word out about it. It'd be a pointless premise. The writers are not that bad.... I hope

 

[MisterPenguin]

I seriously doubt they will go into any of that sequel stuff in the show. What's the point? It'd be like making a TV show about people discovering the death star is being built and trying to stop it set a few years after Revenge of the Sith. What's the point? They won't achieve it. They won't get the word out about it. It'd be a pointless premise. The writers are not that bad.... I hope

Are you sarcastically referring to Rogue One? That was generally a very well received movie.

As is the trope when we see a story line set in 'the past,' there is usually a highlighting of those who took part whose deeds are worthy of telling, or, in fictional worlds, how their actions prevented things from being even worse by revealing plots we hadn't heretofore known about.

This is why there are movies based on historical wars, like every WWII movie ever made. We know how it ends, but the participation of the protagonists are worth telling.

The same for Clone Wars and Rebels series. Though we know how things turned out in general, they told stories of protagonists who played their part, whether it was known to history, or some part of the story that was unknown.

So, the same here. In the timeline of Mandalorian, the First Order is seeking to reestablish control in the unknown and outer rim regions. And so, Mando is going to encounter that. And he may play a role in keeping the First Order (and Snoke and Palpatine) from being even worse than they were, and if it weren't for him, then the Sequel protagonists wouldn't have had a chance of winning... just like the events of Rogue One allowed the protagonists of A New Hope to win.

People who hate the sequels shouldn't let their hatred of the sequels start to engender made-up rules about how stories set in a history whose outcome is known is inherently bad... there are hundreds of counterexamples to show that is not necessarily the case. Mandalorian is clearly cementing the canon of the Sequel trilogy despite the fevered dream of some that the Sequel would be de-canonized.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

So, the same here. In the timeline of Mandalorian, the First Order is seeking to reestablish control in the unknown and outer rim regions. And so, Mando is going to encounter that. And he may play a role in keeping the First Order (and Snoke and Palpatine) from being even worse than they were, and if it weren't for him, then the Sequel protagonists wouldn't have had a chance of winning... just like the events of Rogue One allowed the protagonists of A New Hope to win.

We're already seeing some hints as to how this show could tie into the movie sequels. We're seeing the New Republic dismissing the outer rim, which could lead into them consolidating their power in the central systems. This can help explain why they were able to be wiped out so easily and why no one came to their aid in The Last Jedi.

It's silly to think the showrunners will completely ignore those movies because some fans didn't like them. Filoni made an entire series relating to the much maligned prequel trilogy and they've introduced the not-so-beloved concept of midi-chlorians into this show. The showrunners know very well that part of their job is to tie this show into the larger Star Wars universe.

 

[Screamface]

Are you sarcastically referring to Rogue One? That was generally a very well received movie.

As is the trope when we see a story line set in 'the past,' there is usually a highlighting of those who took part whose deeds are worthy of telling, or, in fictional worlds, how their actions prevented things from being even worse by revealing plots we hadn't heretofore known about.

This is why there are movies based on historical wars, like every WWII movie ever made. We know how it ends, but the participation of the protagonists are worth telling.

The same for Clone Wars and Rebels series. Though we know how things turned out in general, they told stories of protagonists who played their part, whether it was known to history, or some part of the story that was unknown.

So, the same here. In the timeline of Mandalorian, the First Order is seeking to reestablish control in the unknown and outer rim regions. And so, Mando is going to encounter that. And he may play a role in keeping the First Order (and Snoke and Palpatine) from being even worse than they were, and if it weren't for him, then the Sequel protagonists wouldn't have had a chance of winning... just like the events of Rogue One allowed the protagonists of A New Hope to win.

People who hate the sequels shouldn't let their hatred of the sequels start to engender made-up rules about how stories set in a history whose outcome is known is inherently bad... there are hundreds of counterexamples to show that is not necessarily the case. Mandalorian is clearly cementing the canon of the Sequel trilogy despite the fevered dream of some that the Sequel would be de-canonized.

*frustration noises*

Rogue One is set right before Episode IV: A New Hope. It's plot directly ties into backstory mentioned in that film.

19 years of time has elapsed between Episode III: Revenge of the Sith and Episode IV: A New Hope.

Rogue One would not work if it happened in the timeline closer to Episode III. As the narrative in Episode IV doesn't allow the Death Star to be a known entity. It works when it happens right before the film.

The Clone Wars works because it is not about the outcome of the Clone Wars but what went on during them. Expanding out the Star Wars galaxy.

If the Mandalorian's plot was about cloning Palpatine. It is pointless because we know he got cloned. We know that no one knows he got cloned but the Sith cult extremists on Exogal. It wasn't even knowledge of the First Order members. Not even their supreme leader knew what was going on. Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker takes place 24 years after the current timeline of The Mandalorian.

There is no victory or outcome for the Mandalorian to achieve, if the plot of the child involves the Empire / First Order cloning the Emperor. We know they do and no one knows about it for 24 years. Hence the plot and people in vats will not be about cloning the Emperor. They also told us they need more of The Child's blood for their experiments. I severely doubt we'll get the Child used as a blood bag a la Blade III: Trinity.

Even if they capture the Child or get Asoka's blood or something. The show will not have a plot of, "Well then the Emperor was cloned, it has no impact on this story, no one knows and now we move on to a new plot."

 

[MisterPenguin]

*frustration noises*

Rogue One is set right before Episode IV: A New Hope. It's plot directly ties into backstory mentioned in that film.

19 years of time has elapsed between Episode III: Revenge of the Sith and Episode IV: A New Hope.

Rogue One would not work if it happened in the timeline closer to Episode III. As the narrative in Episode IV doesn't allow the Death Star to be a known entity. It works when it happens right before the film.

The Clone Wars works because it is not about the outcome of the Clone Wars but what went on during them. Expanding out the Star Wars galaxy.

If the Mandalorian's plot was about cloning Palpatine. It is pointless because we know he got cloned. We know that no one knows he got cloned but the Sith cult extremists on Exogal. It wasn't even knowledge of the First Order members. Not even their supreme leader knew what was going on. Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker takes place 24 years after the current timeline of The Mandalorian.

There is no victory or outcome for the Mandalorian to achieve, if the plot of the child involves the Empire / First Order cloning the Emperor. We know they do and no one knows about it for 24 years. Hence the plot and people in vats will not be about cloning the Emperor. They also told us they need more of The Child's blood for their experiments. I severely doubt we'll get the Child used as a blood bag a la Blade III: Trinity.

Even if they capture the Child or get Asoka's blood or something. The show will not have a plot of, "Well then the Emperor was cloned, it has no impact on this story, no one knows and now we move on to a new plot."

You don't know what the plot is.

I've addressed how other shows taking place in an established timeline can be successful.

Good day.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

*frustration noises*

Rogue One is set right before Episode IV: A New Hope. It's plot directly ties into backstory mentioned in that film.

19 years of time has elapsed between Episode III: Revenge of the Sith and Episode IV: A New Hope.

Rogue One would not work if it happened in the timeline closer to Episode III. As the narrative in Episode IV doesn't allow the Death Star to be a known entity. It works when it happens right before the film.

The Clone Wars works because it is not about the outcome of the Clone Wars but what went on during them. Expanding out the Star Wars galaxy.

If the Mandalorian's plot was about cloning Palpatine. It is pointless because we know he got cloned. We know that no one knows he got cloned but the Sith cult extremists on Exogal. It wasn't even knowledge of the First Order members. Not even their supreme leader knew what was going on. Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker takes place 24 years after the current timeline of The Mandalorian.

There is no victory or outcome for the Mandalorian to achieve, if the plot of the child involves the Empire / First Order cloning the Emperor. We know they do and no one knows about it for 24 years. Hence the plot and people in vats will not be about cloning the Emperor. They also told us they need more of The Child's blood for their experiments. I severely doubt we'll get the Child used as a blood bag a la Blade III: Trinity.

Even if they capture the Child or get Asoka's blood or something. The show will not have a plot of, "Well then the Emperor was cloned, it has no impact on this story, no one knows and now we move on to a new plot."

Don’t get tied into the minutia you think has to be done to service movies most old fans would rather forget...and the “new” ones can’t be bothered to buy product from....

They’re in a hard reset mode...if that isn’t obvious yet...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Insomnia is sometimes a good thing.

Just watch the first couple minutes of episode 5...I have several times and it’s only 3 am

 

[Robbiem]

Chapter 13 is a fantastic episode just the right balance between fan service and keeping the story accessible for more casual viewers. The opening scene is great and the episode has some good easter eggs for fans of the animated shows as you’d expect from a dave filoni written chapter