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SPOILERS: Indiana Jones 5 (Jun 30, 2023)

Movielover

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The adherents of the rumor simply say Mangold is lying. The rumor’s not based on reality, just a desperate need for a grievance.
And a lot of them are the same people who dismissed Andor without even watching it. Ignoring not only the best Star Wars tv show but simply a darn good show period simply due to their pettiness of having to say something is good.
 

CaptainMickey

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And a lot of them are the same people who dismissed Andor without even watching it. Ignoring not only the best Star Wars tv show but simply a darn good show period simply due to their pettiness of having to say something is good.
I have been very disappointed with the Star Wars theatrical movies since Disney purchased Lucasfilm, except for Rogue One. That movie is excellent! Andor is a great show. (first two episodes are pretty slow and probably loose a lot people before it gets going, just my guess) Mandalorian is great. So Disney can do it! They just seem to miss a lot. There is hope.
 

CaptainAmerica

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So when did they rename Raiders of the Lost Ark, and why hasn't it been remastered? My kids and I are having a lazy movie day and we just finished A New Hope, which looks incredible. Raiders looks like crap.
 

erasure fan1

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There's a couple things off with this article. first, this notion that every fan that isn't thrilled with the prospect of a woman taking over somehow hates woman. That's no different than repeating everything doomcock or any other YouTuber says as fact. The fanbase loves their female characters. There's plenty of examples of fans loving female characters.

Secondly, let's be real. I trust what anyone in Hollywood is saying as far as I can throw them. Do we need to rehash the Netflix Masters of the universe debacle. This article says “One more time. No one is ‘taking over’ or replacing Indy or donning his hat nor is he being ‘erased’
I don't buy it. Sorry but Disney spent a lot of money for lucasfilm. There will be another Indy even if this movie is a train wreck. Will they recast? Maybe. But then come out and say that.
 

Jedijax719

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Whatever the case may be, Ford can't do this forever. It seems like he can, that's for sure, but, well, no. So either they will have to stop making Indy films, make Indy films from when he's younger, or make them with someone else. Not sure about the alleged spoilers, but saying Indy isn't giving his proverbial hat to someone else seems a big disingenuous or like Mangold is forcing an answer to a question or rumor that, in all honesty, seems pretty common sense anyway.
 

lazyboy97o

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So when did they rename Raiders of the Lost Ark, and why hasn't it been remastered? My kids and I are having a lazy movie day and we just finished A New Hope, which looks incredible. Raiders looks like crap.
It started around 1999 when they did a VHS release that ordered the TV show and movies chronologically as different chapters.
 

Phroobar

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The Lochness Monsta

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I'm alright with female leads if it's organic. Like Ellen Ripley in Alien.

But what Disney and the rest of Hollywood has done lately hasn't been. They are just taking already established male franchises and making them female. See Ghostbusters 2016.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
There's a couple things off with this article. first, this notion that every fan that isn't thrilled with the prospect of a woman taking over somehow hates woman. That's no different than repeating everything doomcock or any other YouTuber says as fact. The fanbase loves their female characters. There's plenty of examples of fans loving female characters.

Secondly, let's be real. I trust what anyone in Hollywood is saying as far as I can throw them. Do we need to rehash the Netflix Masters of the universe debacle. This article says “One more time. No one is ‘taking over’ or replacing Indy or donning his hat nor is he being ‘erased’
I don't buy it. Sorry but Disney spent a lot of money for lucasfilm. There will be another Indy even if this movie is a train wreck. Will they recast? Maybe. But then come out and say that.
I think it comes down to point of view.

Are they continuing with the franchise with a new "Indy", maybe, and depends on your point of view. There has been talk about a D+ show, but no details on how or even if the Indy character will be involved.
 

Casper Gutman

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There's a couple things off with this article. first, this notion that every fan that isn't thrilled with the prospect of a woman taking over somehow hates woman. That's no different than repeating everything doomcock or any other YouTuber says as fact. The fanbase loves their female characters. There's plenty of examples of fans loving female characters.

Secondly, let's be real. I trust what anyone in Hollywood is saying as far as I can throw them. Do we need to rehash the Netflix Masters of the universe debacle. This article says “One more time. No one is ‘taking over’ or replacing Indy or donning his hat nor is he being ‘erased’
I don't buy it. Sorry but Disney spent a lot of money for lucasfilm. There will be another Indy even if this movie is a train wreck. Will they recast? Maybe. But then come out and say that.
You seem to trust misogynist you-tube Doomcock over the actual director of the film. I think that’s worth some introspection.

I’m sorry, but there is a very large portion of the fan base that absolutely does not love female characters. I direct you to the list of 2023 blockbusters in my previous post and then invite you to enjoy the acidic complaints that will surround the release of The Marvels.

Fans love two female characters, Ripley and Laura Conner, who get trotted out in every rant as, “I can’t be misogynist, I have a female pop culture friend.” (By the way, I don’t remember howls of outrage when Terminator Salvation swapped in male heroes for Laura). Just look at the vitriol around the “M-She-U,” despite the fact that the offending female characters are based on established comic characters, most of the male heroes are still around, and many of the new characters are incredibly well-written and well-performed.

As for Indy, Ford is done one way or the other and the character of Indy is done with him. Yes, the broad franchise will continue, headlined by Ravenwood or some other character “continuing the legacy.” As long as that continuation is well-written, well-acted, well-directed (and doesn’t star Shia LeBouf) the gender of the protagonist should not matter in the least.
 

Prince-1

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There's a couple things off with this article. first, this notion that every fan that isn't thrilled with the prospect of a woman taking over somehow hates woman. That's no different than repeating everything doomcock or any other YouTuber says as fact. The fanbase loves their female characters. There's plenty of examples of fans loving female characters.

Secondly, let's be real. I trust what anyone in Hollywood is saying as far as I can throw them. Do we need to rehash the Netflix Masters of the universe debacle. This article says “One more time. No one is ‘taking over’ or replacing Indy or donning his hat nor is he being ‘erased’
I don't buy it. Sorry but Disney spent a lot of money for lucasfilm. There will be another Indy even if this movie is a train wreck. Will they recast? Maybe. But then come out and say that.

I think Mangold may have had you in mind with his tweet.
 

CaptainAmerica

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You seem to trust misogynist you-tube Doomcock over the actual director of the film. I think that’s worth some introspection.

I’m sorry, but there is a very large portion of the fan base that absolutely does not love female characters. I direct you to the list of 2023 blockbusters in my previous post and then invite you to enjoy the acidic complaints that will surround the release of The Marvels.

Fans love two female characters, Ripley and Laura Conner, who get trotted out in every rant as, “I can’t be misogynist, I have a female pop culture friend.” (By the way, I don’t remember howls of outrage when Terminator Salvation swapped in male heroes for Laura). Just look at the vitriol around the “M-She-U,” despite the fact that the offending female characters are based on established comic characters, most of the male heroes are still around, and many of the new characters are incredibly well-written and well-performed.

As for Indy, Ford is done one way or the other and the character of Indy is done with him. Yes, the broad franchise will continue, headlined by Ravenwood or some other character “continuing the legacy.” As long as that continuation is well-written, well-acted, well-directed (and doesn’t star Shia LeBouf) the gender of the protagonist should not matter in the least.
Men and women are different. Gender is not like race. Someone objecting to a Black Indiana Jones (or James Bond or Ariel) is probably just a racist. But gender is an actual meaningful thing that differentiates people.
 

erasure fan1

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You seem to trust misogynist you-tube Doomcock over the actual director of the film. I think that’s worth some introspection.
No, I've said I don't believe what doomcock says. I also don't believe Mangold is being upfront either. These are Hollywood studio people after all. He's already bending the truth in the article with the line I quoted.
I direct you to the list of 2023 blockbusters in my previous post and then invite you to enjoy the acidic complaints that will surround the release of The Marvels.
To be fair, the marvels will get a good dragging through the mud because Brie Larson is pretty insufferable, and not many fans like her.
As for Indy, Ford is done one way or the other and the character of Indy is done with him. Yes, the broad franchise will continue, headlined by Ravenwood or some other character “continuing the legacy.”
Yes, the franchise will continue, with a new person taking up the mantle. That's the point. No one thinks that this new person will be called Indiana Jones. The reason the prospect of a female taking up the mantle upsets people is that it seems they are ignoring the previous lore. No one wants Shia back in the roll. But enough time has passed in my eyes that you could just recast. You know, his son, who they hinted at the end of 4 would take up the mantle. Then Indy snatched the hat away. I'm rooting for this film if you go back and check my posts. My only point was, in no way would it be shocking if a female takes the mantle up at the end of the film. You know, like Rey did at the end of 9.
 

Jedijax719

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People talking about making original characters that are female (or of a given race) need to remember something very unfortunate about Hollywood. NOBODY is making anything original lol. Studios don't behave like they did back in the 70's and 80's when it comes to taking risks with original ideas. A majority fail and they have to make SO much money in order to cut a profit and cost SO much studios just want to stick with familiar properties.

That said, there are a lot of streaming shows and movies with female leads or co-leads that are originals or first timers based on books. I would LOVE original works for the theaters, but I understand the state of theaters is just too risky sadly enough.

But I would be fine if the Indy series continued with a female lead. I think that may be the direction they go with the D+ series.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
No, I've said I don't believe what doomcock says. I also don't believe Mangold is being upfront either. These are Hollywood studio people after all. He's already bending the truth in the article with the line I quoted.

To be fair, the marvels will get a good dragging through the mud because Brie Larson is pretty insufferable, and not many fans like her.

Yes, the franchise will continue, with a new person taking up the mantle. That's the point. No one thinks that this new person will be called Indiana Jones. The reason the prospect of a female taking up the mantle upsets people is that it seems they are ignoring the previous lore. No one wants Shia back in the roll. But enough time has passed in my eyes that you could just recast. You know, his son, who they hinted at the end of 4 would take up the mantle. Then Indy snatched the hat away. I'm rooting for this film if you go back and check my posts. My only point was, in no way would it be shocking if a female takes the mantle up at the end of the film. You know, like Rey did at the end of 9.
Why can't there be a female archaeologist that becomes the new lead in a new show that is in the same universe as Indy?

Hear me out:

Why can't Indy retire (so Ford doesn't have to play the role anymore as he said he was done after this movie), teach full time or be some curator overseeing the acquisition of antiquities like Marcus Brody. And a new female lead show continues the franchise without having the name Indiana Jones. So you keep and honor the lore of the past, and continue with new lore with new characters going forward.

This idea that no female can lead any film or tv show in the Indy universe is ridiculous.
 

Phroobar

Well-Known Member
I'm alright with female leads if it's organic. Like Ellen Ripley in Alien.

But what Disney and the rest of Hollywood has done lately hasn't been. They are just taking already established male franchises and making them female. See Ghostbusters 2016.
Or taking a previous strong female type, making her gay just to check off a box. See Willow series.
 

CaptainMickey

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It's kind of like re-doing all the classic Disney Princess movies with men. You would say what? why? That's dumb. Those are iconic classic female characters and stories. Not that everyone hates men if they don't think that sounds cool.
 

erasure fan1

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I think Mangold may have had you in mind with his tweet.
Yea, that's fine. You can read into it how you want. I've been pretty positive on this trailer hoping the movie is good. I'd say I'm being more open minded than you. I can at least admit there's a chance this goes sideway. Especially with Kennedys track record. Do I want it to fail? No, I've loved the character since I was a kid.
Why can't there be a female archaeologist that becomes the new lead in a new show that is in the same universe as Indy?

Hear me out:

Why can't Indy retire (so Ford doesn't have to play the role anymore as he said he was done after this movie), teach full time or be some curator overseeing the acquisition of antiquities like Marcus Brody. And a new female lead show continues the franchise without having the name Indiana Jones. So you keep and honor the lore of the past, and continue with new lore with new characters going forward.

This idea that no female can lead any film or tv show in the Indy universe is ridiculous.
Here's the thing. That's a fine scenario, and could make a lot of sense. My question is why won't they come out and say that? Their trailer could have dispelled all the noise. I think the movie gets a lot of the same criticism if it was his son taking over as well. You know what would have worked best? One last pure Ford Indiana Jones film with him walking into the sunset. Then you recast for a younger Indy. Something after the age of the young Indy series but before the films. Problem solved. People really don't want a knock off Indy. We have plenty of those. Tomb raider, uncharted, the mummy, national treasure... We just want Indy.
 

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