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SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024
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We need a hard ticket event where you can meet princesses dressed as Marvel characters and Avengers dressed as princesses (or villains).Spider-Elsa
Screamface
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The show felt like a bunch of ideas just strung together whether it made sense or not. As if the write had some ideas and wrote down a bunch of scenes and ideas and forced them together whether it made sense or not. Mae's memory being wiped is because the idea of season two was to try and reverse the positions of the twins. Whether it made sense to do so or not. It felt forced.
The reveal of Qmir was to have a mystery, whether or not it made sense. Especially with the reversal of the twins positions. So how exactly was Mae trained by Qmir and not know it was him, but he doesn't hide it with Osha. Never mind. It was never thought out. Just basic ideas for scenes.
The most basic example I can think of is the idea of Osha standing over a dead Jedi. Did she kill him? There are twins. The mystery of who is killing them. Is it Osha? I can see how you would conceive of this scene. It just doesn't do anything for the viewer when you already know the mystery. See the murder. Then the show immediately removes all doubt for characters as Yord goes, "it wasn't here." The whole show is like that. Just ideas that don't work and poorly implemented. Osha is put on prison ship. Everyone escapes. She's captured again.
Leslye said in an interview it was to give Bazil a "hero" moment. I'll leave it up to you to judge how that tracked how you were following the show, story and characters.
People took the lines of General Motti and Han referring to the Jedi as a religion a bit too seriously. Not in the context of where they are under imperial rule and propaganda. Where it's dismissed as a hockey old religion.
So then it becomes some strange Catholic Church, Cult, Religion that are also space cops under the Republic. It was all a bit off. I couldn't say I could clearly define the Jedi but that wasn't it.
Qmir is interesting because we know the least about him. That's probably for the best.
I can't be alone in thinking Vanestra was a bit of a bait and switch by her wife to give her a bigger role going forward. I said it, don't hate me. She was a bad character seemingly elevated for the next season.
Ashoka needed a better pace and more story. It was fine. Mando season 3 I hope was just an aberration. Boba Fett, something was just off. Robery Rodreiguize is better than the direction and edition of that. I don't think he's past his prime because Alita: Battle Angel was really good. I just wonder if after the first few seasons of Mando, everyone thought it was figured out and got really lazy with that and Mando s3.
Kenobi is a whole other discussion that I won't waste here. Many similar flaws to this. If the theatrical script leaks are true. That's crazy what they did to it. This at least had better directing.
Andor is still the best.
erasure fan1
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Yea, she was poorly developed and acted as well. I found her the least interesting of the bunch.
I think Mando season 3 was up ended by the Gina Carano debacle. She was supposed to have a much bigger role going forward. So it felt like they had to retool the show around the fact that she wouldn't be there. And I'm guessing Disney didn't give them any extra time to get it done right.
Wendy Pleakley
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Anyone thinking that average at best actress Gina Carano was a key element of the success of the Mandalorian is living in a different world.
If the character's purpose was really that important they could have brought in another character to fill the role.
If the character's purpose was really that important they could have brought in another character to fill the role.
erasure fan1
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Baby yoda was the key, we all know that. No one said she was the key to the success. But you could tell the 3rd season was all sorts of inconsistent. They were building the character for a spin off, rangers of the new Republic. So she obviously was going to factor into season 3. So either Jon forgot how to make a show, or they had to make adjustments quickly and it didn't work so well.
Gina did one thing really well. She could play the rough and tumble character extremely well. She knows how to fight and it shows. Her fight scenes were all believable. So just because she's not some award winning actress. Doesn't mean having to write her out of the season would have no negative outcome for the show.
I liked her character, but I also feel like they could have just recast the same character with a new actress. The Mandalorian Princess character grew on me over time.
erasure fan1
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They could have for sure. Tinfoil hat time, but if I had to bet, they didn't want to recast. If they recast, that means she was infact fired. The way they did it, they just had a "change of direction" and they had no further plans for the character so they didn't renew the contract. And if I was a betting man, I'd bet that comes up in court. I think it was more of a CYA move on Disney/lucasfilms part.
Willmark
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It’s certainly interesting.
There is a contingent that maintains that her firing “is no big deal.”
Disney fighting it says otherwise. If they were smart they would settle, they still might. If they go to trial? Certainly a risk and an option to do so, but I’m not sure it’s the most optimal move.
erasure fan1
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It might not be. But the fact it has moved forward says there's something to look at. The way Disney handled it was really bad. They didn't just not renew the contract. They made a very public stance against her tweets and that being why she's no longer employed with them. All while conveniently ignoring Pedro's just as problematic tweets. I just can't wait to hear what comes out of this as I'm sure if it goes to the next step we'll get the real info.
It's a tough one. I think settling is the most probable outcome if it goes on too long. The only issue I can see is, settling is basically admitting they did wrong, and Disney might not want that.
Wendy Pleakley
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Settling would be insane because it would result in more lawsuits. Actors are replaced or removed from TV shows all the time. Every actor that guest stars on a show but isn't brought back again will file frivolous lawsuits.
Arguments that she was fired fail to understand how being in a creative role is different from a typical job.
They also argue in their filing why they are allowed to decide on a case by case basis what speech to criticize or disassociate from. By her logic, she can say anything and Disney still has to write her into a TV show. Are we to believe that no one can ever be held accountable for what they say because they declare that statements by other people are equivalent?
erasure fan1
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This isn't a case of her part just wasn't coming back. It's about what she said. Disney has made public statements as to why she wasn't brought back and how fundamentally they are against what she said.
We'll see I guess. The issue Disney might have is, sure, they decide what speech they can disassociate from. But I'm not sure they can claim they're disassociating from Ginas statements and then not disassociate from Pedro doing the same. If it's wrong for one, it's wrong for both. I've said before, it might not lead to anything. But they are moving to Discovery so there's enough there to need to be looked into. So all the plans are going to come out, maybe Disney covered their butt well enough. But with the information we've scene, Gina has a good argument. Pedros statement was absolutely, 100%, just as problematic as Ginas. Yet his name wasn't pulled through the mud. So it's hard to say anything until we get all the information, which it looks like we should be getting.
Wendy Pleakley
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First off, it's not correct to suggest someone else's comments are 100% as bad as hers, as if that's a fact. It's not. It's a subjective opinion.
Second, Disney makes a good argument that it wouldn't matter even if it were somehow factually true. They get to decide which views are out of line by their standards.
They cite specific precedent that organizations cannot be compelled to associate with groups that don't share their values.
I’ve been torn between asking what exactly Pedro said that is the same and not wanting to drag this thread even further off topic— but speaking as a lawyer, I think it would be crazy for Disney to settle. The actress can run up costs (backed by Musk’s money) but the current Supreme Court is going to give broad leeway to corporations to dismiss loudmouth employees with publicly stated views that violate the employers’ values.
Willmark
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From what I’ve seen her lawyers are going to use a state law against Disney:
Mandalorian actor’s lawsuit against Disney invokes unique California law
California Labor Code protects workers’ right to participate in political events outside of work.
How this plays out is anyone’s guess.
I’ll sidestep the whole issue with Pedro but will say it does provide a clear example of Disney’s stance.
How this resolves will certainly be interesting to watch.
CinematicFusion
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