SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024

erasure fan1

erasure fan1

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Disney Irish said:
Nothing says that a Season2 couldn't be devoted to flashback, start with the Strangers time at the Jedi Academy and lead to the point where he joins up with Plagueis. End the season with the last few minutes of the last episode in current time with him starting to train Osha, just to link the two seasons together.

Gives everyone pretty much what they want, with very little of the stuff from Season1 that many had an issue with.
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That would work, but I would use some flashbacks to show parts of his time at the academy. He was venestras student, and she was one of the worst characters in the show. So flashbacks would be a good way to avoid having to have that character. Of course I suppose they could recast and write a better character.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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erasure fan1 said:
That would work, but I would use some flashbacks to show parts of his time at the academy. He was venestras student, and she was one of the worst characters in the show. So flashbacks would be a good way to avoid having to have that character. Of course I suppose they could recast and write a better character.
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I would just do the whole season as a flashback. Bookend the season with the Stranger telling Osha about his past, and why he wants a student to change things, etc.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
You didn’t…I’m just not sure trying to resurrect the dead corpse of a bad show is much different.

It sucked…just move on.
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Why? Shows, and movies for that matter, get reworked all the time or at least they used to. There used to be a time when a show would be allowed to have multiple seasons to not only work things out but also find an audience. We get a million seasons of those brain dead Real Housewives shows, which has WAAAAAYYYYY less of an audience, but we can't get a Season 2 of Acolyte?
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Disney Irish said:
Why? Shows, and movies for that matter, get reworked all the time or at least they used to. There used to be a time when a show would be allowed to have multiple seasons to not only work things out but also find an audience. We get a million seasons of those brain dead Real Housewives shows, which has WAAAAAYYYYY less of an audience, but we can't get a Season 2 of Acolyte?
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Yeah but we shouldn’t encourage such behavior…especially from studios who have no creative fastball these days

And housewives is cheap and does a demo that networks want. Don’t ask me why? 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
Prince-1

Prince-1

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Disney Irish said:
Why? Shows, and movies for that matter, get reworked all the time or at least they used to. There used to be a time when a show would be allowed to have multiple seasons to not only work things out but also find an audience. We get a million seasons of those brain dead Real Housewives shows, which has WAAAAAYYYYY less of an audience, but we can't get a Season 2 of Acolyte?
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Real Housewives as a smaller audience but also a WAAAAYYYY smaller budget than any Star Wars show. Acolyte is done and thankfully so.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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Disney Irish said:
Yeah but with a way less audience share it can't make much money in ad sales. Which on the flip side means that Acolyte or any SW shows in D+ should get way more ad sales.
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Except... Disney+ and ads is not really a big deal yet. Where as most of your comparison was against decisions in an ad mature market.
 
erasure fan1

erasure fan1

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Disney Irish said:
Yeah but with a way less audience share it can't make much money in ad sales. Which on the flip side means that Acolyte or any SW shows in D+ should get way more ad sales.
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The problem with the Acolyte is, sure maybe it has more viewership than real housewives. But Disney isn't going to sell anything because of it. And that's the bread and butter of a star wars anything. Can you sell toys, collectables, Halloween costumes, lunch boxes, clothes, toothbrushes... I didn't see general mills making a power of many marshmallow crunch. That's the power of really good star wars, you can go crazy with licensing.

The Acolyte wasn't good. And it did next to nothing for merch. Now granted neither did Andor. But that was considered great by most so they are willing to give it a final season. The Acolyte wasn't really even considered ok by most peoples standards.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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erasure fan1 said:
The problem with the Acolyte is, sure maybe it has more viewership than real housewives. But Disney isn't going to sell anything because of it. And that's the bread and butter of a star wars anything. Can you sell toys, collectables, Halloween costumes, lunch boxes, clothes, toothbrushes... I didn't see general mills making a power of many marshmallow crunch. That's the power of really good star wars, you can go crazy with licensing.

The Acolyte wasn't good. And it did next to nothing for merch. Now granted neither did Andor. But that was considered great by most so they are willing to give it a final season. The Acolyte wasn't really even considered ok by most peoples standards.
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And Real Housewives has no merch sales either. This is my whole point, a TV show even SW, shouldn't be expected to have merch sales or anything similar that we associate with a SW movie. We have billions upon billions of hours of TV shows, none of which generated anything but ad sales.
 
Disney Irish

Disney Irish

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flynnibus said:
Except... Disney+ and ads is not really a big deal yet. Where as most of your comparison was against decisions in an ad mature market.
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Yet being the operative word. Those ad sales will gain over time, and hopefully that'll lead to giving shows some time to work things out and gain an audience like linear had previously.

I have my issues with linear prematurely cancelling shows too, but at least when they get an audience like Acolyte they get a 2nd season in most cases.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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Disney Irish said:
Yet being the operative word. Those ad sales will gain over time, and hopefully that'll lead to giving shows some time to work things out and gain an audience like linear had previously.

I have my issues with linear prematurely cancelling shows too, but at least when they get an audience like Acolyte they get a 2nd season in most cases.
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I think it's a tradeoff from the 'upsizing' of TV shows to basically film quality productions.

TV used to be significantly cheaper to produce... so they could afford to commit to longer seasons up front... and less drama to pick up a new season. Now you have shows with 100million dollar budgets for 6-8 episodes. No one wants to commit 300million to make those 20+ episodes up front... and season pickups are bigger commits even at just modest increases.

Star Wars shows are also basically Sci-Fi... which have always cost more than sitcoms. It all leads to 'bigger risks - less product'

And Disney is not going to spend $100 million on a promise of future ad sales vs something they think will drive action now. They can always go back to a show and add later when it makes sense to do so. No one will get rewarded for 'banking for the future...'
 

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