MoonRakerSCM
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I'm glad to see enough of the fandom has moved on and Disney is seeing the results of their actions.
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SPOILER: The Acolyte -- Disney+ Star Wars -- begins June 5, 2024
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I'm glad to see enough of the fandom has moved on and Disney is seeing the results of their actions.
MoonRakerSCM
Well-Known Member
Think she made the sad or angry face when she heard the news?
TalkingHead
Well-Known Member
At this point it’s more shocking when new SW content doesn’t crash and burn.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
Garbage show gets canceled.
Who could have ever guessed how bad this show would be ?
Canceled one season to late.
Ghost93
Well-Known Member
I strongly believe at this point that there should be no more live action Star Wars shows. They just dilute the brand, making it all feel like "content" rather than modern day mythology.
They supposedly have taken break from theatrical Star Wars movies since 2019 to allow people to have the time to miss seeing Star Wars on the big screen, but to the average consumer it never feels like Star Wars ever went away with multiple seasons of the Mandalorian, Andor, the Book of Boba Fett, Ahsoka, Obi-Wan and the Acolyte coming out. Not to mention the more niche animated shows and shorts like the Bad Batch, Star Wars Visions and Tales of the Jedi/Tales of the Empire.
Of those, only first two seasons of the Mandalorian and the first season of Andor were good/great. I liked Ahsoka, but the show is completely inaccessible to casual fans who have not seen 7 seasons of the Clone Wars and 4 seasons of Rebels — both shows that, while good, have the perception among casuals of being just for children. Meanwhile, Obi-wan was a huge letdown, the Acolyte was a mixed bag, and the Book of Boba Fett outright sucked. Even the Mandalorian season 3 disappointed fans and severely harmed the Mandalorian IP.
TalkingHead
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When you factor in the multitude of announced/scuttled film productions, it’s pretty obvious what the game plan is for SW as an IP.
Wendy Pleakley
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I've seen a lot of the animated episodes, and personally never thought they were as brilliant as some do. I'm not 100% sold on him. His focus has been on building on existing material, does he have what it takes to bring forth original ideas?
Ahsoka was decent, but again seemed to rely on retelling a lot of familiar Star Wars tropes. Of course, maybe that's what they need, given how many fans are only happy when they get A New Hope spoon fed to them over and over.
Some tend to forget that there was a long gap between Jedi and Phantom Menace. The movies were huge because of that pent up demand.
With the current approach, Star Wars will be more like Star Trek as a franchise, where lots of things do well, but few become huge moments in the pop culture zeitgeist. That might be okay with Disney though. They want a reliable performer, not a once a decade event.
We'll see how the new movies perform. Daisy Ridley as Rey should be a draw. The movies will always offer bigger spectacle than the TV shows.
I like Andor as a supplement to the films because it's a story you can't tell as a movie. It lets us see what's happening in the background of the action focused movies. It's not a substitute for the films. The Acolyte had some good lightsaber battles, but you have to save that stuff for the films.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Building on existing? Well he's working within a defined universe with major milestones all around him.. I don't know how you'd hold that against him. The Clone Wars is known for having some of the best story arcs in the canon... plus some great villian stories. He basically brought back the grit and realism feel to the live action shows. He seems to root every writing decision based in star wars terms instead of social campaigning terms... he is the closest thing to a Star Wars diehard as you can get I think.
doctornick
Well-Known Member
That's endemic to Disney+ but Star Wars is the worse of it. I don't think it is a coincidence that the first 2 seasons of The Mandalorian - which were well regarded - were very episodic despite a season long arc.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Unfortunately I think Mando was done that way more creatively than business wise.. built a bit more like the old western TV shows. A weird kinda hybird where there is still one series story arc... but each episode is not really dedicated to advancing that story... instead with all these side adventures that play out more like a series episode that is more self-contained.
Classically a TV series was 13 or 24ish episodes. But I guess since this content was never intended for syndication plus the idea that these shows would be more tests... they went with this mini-serial format of 6-8 episodes. And that has seemed to stick with all of the original D+ content. I think what started as a 'test the waters...' thing has become the norm.. and I think it sucks.
Willmark
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The only remaining question is what is Disney going to draw from the results of this show.
As was noted in the two threads about the topic, there are multiple antagonistic fandoms to SW and I argue even sub groups within each faction. Even accounting for review bombing or the potential for it enough of the fans base did not like this show. It seemed very much like TLJ. Those who liked it very much went out of their way to prop the show up to counter the negative reaction to it.
The reasons why are there for Disney to take stock of. Likely they are doubling down.
For my own part the non-sensical plot and the over-hyping did it for me. “The best lightsaber battle since PM!” Well from what could be seen through all the branches in the forest and modern trend of barely lighting the set?
Not so much. YMMV.
As was noted in the two threads about the topic, there are multiple antagonistic fandoms to SW and I argue even sub groups within each faction. Even accounting for review bombing or the potential for it enough of the fans base did not like this show. It seemed very much like TLJ. Those who liked it very much went out of their way to prop the show up to counter the negative reaction to it.
The reasons why are there for Disney to take stock of. Likely they are doubling down.
For my own part the non-sensical plot and the over-hyping did it for me. “The best lightsaber battle since PM!” Well from what could be seen through all the branches in the forest and modern trend of barely lighting the set?
Not so much. YMMV.
DisneyWarrior27
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I’d rather the new leader be John Knoll.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
He is even a good storyteller though? I mean he has the visual effects side of things down leading ILM, but I would think we'd want someone heading up Lucas who was a good storyteller. And Knoll isn't someone that strikes me as a storyteller in the traditional sense within Hollywood.
DisneyWarrior27
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Well, it can’t be Filoni either since he’s more a story guy and not someone who is business and I’d rather he and Favreau finish up the storyline of the Mandoverse before 1 of them decides they wanna lead Lucasfilm.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I honestly think the decision has already been made, just not official yet, based on how Filoni was the one presenting for Lucas at D23 instead of Kennedy or anyone else.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
So support crap and be cutesy sarcastic about it?
Keep on keeping on…it’s working so well the franchise will be dead and go into a 15 year hiatus soon.
