News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[MisterPenguin]

What does Festival of the Lion King have to do with anything (which isn't even a ride so it's not exactly comparable)?

I said Frozen Ever After because I specifically meant Frozen Ever After. A ride with a few impressive AAs and literally nothing else; an overall design failure from start to finish. It's one of the worst rides at WDW. Is that what you want Splash Mountain to become?

Don't set up straw men.

And what you said about FEA applies to FotLK: No plot. It's just a celebration. You didn't mention a lack of AA,

And what Phineas said about FEA applies to FotLK: "Greatest hits".

 

[UNCgolf]

And what you said about FEA applies to FotLK: No plot. It's just a celebration. You didn't mention a lack of AA, so, who's strawmanning now?

And what Phineas said about FEA applies to FotLK: "Greatest hits".

It's not a ride. Again, I said nothing about Festival of the Lion King -- which, by the way, I do not like, but that's irrelevant to the point I was making because it's a different attraction and, more importantly, a different medium.

It may have been better to call it a red herring than a straw man, though. I said something about one specific attraction, and you immediately brought up an entirely separate attraction that is completely unrelated to what I said.

In simple terms -- I think Frozen Ever After is a bad ride because it has no plot and no detail; there's far too much empty space. I do not want the Princess and the Frog ride to have a similar lack of plot and detail.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

If there's no New Orleans Square then it makes no sense. That's why it's been talked about in this thread and other places.

However, however... however Peco's cannot be a casualty of this retheme, it takes up a big part of Frontierland. You can't mosey through a New Orleans quick service that is also in Frontierland. It doesn't make any sense.... it would be anarchy.

I mean, New Orleans Square was initially intended to be a mini-land subset of Frontierland. By the time it opened it had enough substance on the menu to be properly referred to as its own land, but still always sort of fell under the umbrella of Frontierland.

The layout of Frontierland at WDW isn't the most conducive to effective transitions from "The Old West" to New Orleans (and back again, as it seems the case would almost have to be), but you could get away with a New Orleans subset of Frontierland thematically. Not perfectly ideal, but not impossible.

I wouldn't hate if they opened up the area beyond the Frontierland Train Station and built a New Orleans mini-land. That way you've got the Train Station partitioning it off from the rest of the land visually (save for the Mountain itself, of course), and you'd both enter and exit the PATF Ride in New Orleans. Rip out the restrooms, put in some eateries and a couple shops, and put some Wrought Iron Railings over the current Splash exit buildings and let it all exist as a lovely Frontierland equivalent of Storybook Circus.

 

[_caleb]

I mean, New Orleans Square was initially intended to be a mini-land subset of Frontierland. By the time it opened it had enough substance on the menu to be properly referred to as its own land, but still always sort of fell under the umbrella of Frontierland.

The layout of Frontierland at WDW isn't the most conducive to effective transitions from "The Old West" to New Orleans (and back again, as it seems the case would almost have to be), but you could get away with a New Orleans subset of Frontierland thematically. Not perfectly ideal, but not impossible.

I wouldn't hate if they opened up the area beyond the Frontierland Train Station and built a New Orleans mini-land. That way you've got the Train Station partitioning it off from the rest of the land visually (save for the Mountain itself, of course), and you'd both enter and exit the PATF Ride in New Orleans. Rip out the restrooms, put in some eateries and a couple shops, and put some Wrought Iron Railings over the current Splash exit buildings and let it all exist as a lovely Frontierland equivalent of Storybook Circus.

I've said before how much I prefer Disneyland's approach to thematic transitions (by including in-between scenes) to WDW's general approach (basically spacing things apart). But this does mean there's typically room to add in visual cues for transitions. I don't expect a total area retheme for MK. I think they'll either just keep using the general "rustic Americana" theme they've had for the area.

I'm also curious about the area background music. I would think they'd introduce 1920s New Orleans jazz in/around the Princess and the Frog-ified Splash mountain. The transition of audio from one section of Frontierland to another seems to be a challenge as well.

 

[Haymarket2008]

Dreamfinder says hello.

My post is off topic, yes, but yourself and @LiterallyNobody are the only ones who have suggested Dreamfinder was on the docket. Is this legit?

 

[WDW Pro]

My post is off topic, yes, but yourself and @LiterallyNobody are the only ones who have suggested Dreamfinder was on the docket. Is this legit?

There are currently no plans for Dreamfinder that I am aware of.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

I've said before how much I prefer Disneyland's approach to thematic transitions (by including in-between scenes) to WDW's general approach (basically spacing things apart). But this does mean there's typically room to add in visual cues for transitions. I don't expect a total area retheme for MK. I think they'll either just keep using the general "rustic Americana" theme they've had for the area.

I'm also curious about the area background music. I would think they'd introduce 1920s New Orleans jazz in/around the Princess and the Frog-ified Splash mountain. The transition of audio from one section of Frontierland to another seems to be a challenge as well.

I do agree that the transitions are a meaningful and tasty ingredient in the flavor of Disneyland. They do still make some smash-cuts, but those moments where things bleed together are really, really stunning and rarely equalled in any of the other parks.

My thought for squirreling any New Orleans stuff back behind the train tracks is based in part on the WDW method - not only would it spare the main drag of Frontierland as it exists presently, but it would remove the need to transition from "Old West" by the land's Liberty Square end to New Orleans in the middle and back to Old West by the time you reach Big Thunder. To your point, keeping it on the other side of the tracks would let the Train Station act as a transitional gateway between the existing Frontierland and its area music and a New Orleans area with jazz music contained to the other side. The bridge immediately in front of the mountain would presumably feature some PATF music as well, but at least then that would be the only sonic intrusion in the existing Frontierland.

That said, I don't think I really expect them to go to such lengths to build a New Orleans area on any size in the Magic Kingdom to "justify" PATF in Frontierland. But it is fun to think about.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

There are currently no plans for Dreamfinder that I am aware of.

Indicating that he wasn't planned to be incorporated into any forthcoming redo of the Imagination Pavilion, or that the Imagination redo is dead?

Though I suppose both could be true . . .

 

[GoofGoof]

That would never work.
1. It block access from Gate 3, it is the main road for supplies and equipment for Main Street, Jungle Cruise, Pirates and the rest of Adventureland including Splash, Big Thunder, and the parades.

2. It would block all the Splash Mountain maintenance access.

3. It would go right by the AVAC bldg and no matter how you would re-theme it, that place still stinks.

4. The big building behind Splash is for Parade Storage and Maintenance, so maybe get rid of the parade floats?

OK, you have me on the ropes...but I’m not done yet. I still think some backstage stuff could be reimagined, but I’m no expert. Another option is to leave the backstage buildings alone and have a New Orleans Square type mini-land build into the existing Queue, restroom and gift shop area (yellow below) and extend back into part of the area circled in blue. They couldn’t fit a lot in there but possibly a restaurant, shop and meet and greet area. The transition to New Orleans could be under the train overpass so it’s not intrusive to Frontierland and it helps the new ride fit into a land. Cheaper and easier to do that.

 

[GoofGoof]

I do agree that the transitions are a meaningful and tasty ingredient in the flavor of Disneyland. They do still make some smash-cuts, but those moments where things bleed together are really, really stunning and rarely equalled in any of the other parks.

My thought for squirreling any New Orleans stuff back behind the train tracks is based in part on the WDW method - not only would it spare the main drag of Frontierland as it exists presently, but it would remove the need to transition from "Old West" by the land's Liberty Square end to New Orleans in the middle and back to Old West by the time you reach Big Thunder. To your point, keeping it on the other side of the tracks would let the Train Station act as a transitional gateway between the existing Frontierland and its area music and a New Orleans area with jazz music contained to the other side. The bridge immediately in front of the mountain would presumably feature some PATF music as well, but at least then that would be the only sonic intrusion in the existing Frontierland.

That said, I don't think I really expect them to go to such lengths to build a New Orleans area on any size in the Magic Kingdom to "justify" PATF in Frontierland. But it is fun to think about.

I was typing something similar when you posted this. Great minds think alike . I also agree it’s just fun to talk about and have little or no hope of actually seeing it done.

 

[drod1985]

Threw Princess and the Frog on last night while making dinner. It's a good time. Fun characters, good visuals, great music.

I'm sad Splash is going but understand why it's got to. As long as budgets aren't cut I think this has a ton of potential and will provide some much needed representation in the parks. I only hope they retain "Splash Mountain" in the name somehow.

 

[Disney Maddux]

Threw Princess and the Frog on last night while making dinner. It's a good time. Fun characters, good visuals, great music.

I'm sad Splash is going but understand why it's got to. As long as budgets aren't cut I think this has a ton of potential and will provide some much needed representation in the parks. I only hope they retain "Splash Mountain" in the name somehow.

Tiana's Splash Mountain Mardi Gras?

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

Splash Mountain: Bayou Soiree

 

[jt04]

I do agree that the transitions are a meaningful and tasty ingredient in the flavor of Disneyland. They do still make some smash-cuts, but those moments where things bleed together are really, really stunning and rarely equalled in any of the other parks.

My thought for squirreling any New Orleans stuff back behind the train tracks is based in part on the WDW method - not only would it spare the main drag of Frontierland as it exists presently, but it would remove the need to transition from "Old West" by the land's Liberty Square end to New Orleans in the middle and back to Old West by the time you reach Big Thunder. To your point, keeping it on the other side of the tracks would let the Train Station act as a transitional gateway between the existing Frontierland and its area music and a New Orleans area with jazz music contained to the other side. The bridge immediately in front of the mountain would presumably feature some PATF music as well, but at least then that would be the only sonic intrusion in the existing Frontierland.

That said, I don't think I really expect them to go to such lengths to build a New Orleans area on any size in the Magic Kingdom to "justify" PATF in Frontierland. But it is fun to think about.

If they take the extra step and do something along these lines it becomes timeless and classic. IMO.

I favor transitioning from the Liberty Square Tavern to Splash in the same manner as the architecture transitions in Liberty Square. Subtle and effective. Following the Ohio/Mississippi Rivers thematically and over time along the waterway. Frontierland can go behind BTMRR. Parts can go to Fort Wilderness.

PS - this would fit TSI perfectly. Although TSI reimagined as Critter Country also works and would be my chioce. By raft, tunnel or moveable bridge.

 

[doctornick]

I mean, New Orleans Square was initially intended to be a mini-land subset of Frontierland. By the time it opened it had enough substance on the menu to be properly referred to as its own land, but still always sort of fell under the umbrella of Frontierland.

The layout of Frontierland at WDW isn't the most conducive to effective transitions from "The Old West" to New Orleans (and back again, as it seems the case would almost have to be), but you could get away with a New Orleans subset of Frontierland thematically. Not perfectly ideal, but not impossible.

I wouldn't hate if they opened up the area beyond the Frontierland Train Station and built a New Orleans mini-land. That way you've got the Train Station partitioning it off from the rest of the land visually (save for the Mountain itself, of course), and you'd both enter and exit the PATF Ride in New Orleans. Rip out the restrooms, put in some eateries and a couple shops, and put some Wrought Iron Railings over the current Splash exit buildings and let it all exist as a lovely Frontierland equivalent of Storybook Circus.

Exactly. If they wanted to add some New Orleans elements around PatF Splash, the best place to do it is at the RR station and west which is an established expansion pad. They could easy add some sort of food service combined with changing the look of the post ride shop and RR station and create a nice secluded NO area that doesn’t disrupt Frontierland otherwise.

It doesn’t sound like anything like that is in the cards given budgets but it would make more sense than retheming Peco’s or part of Adventureland

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

I'm still hung-up on the transition from PatF to Big Thunder. Adding New Orleans elements by the train station is one thing... I think a new mini land is a fine idea. But it still doesn't really address the disharmonious theme transitions from PatF to Big Thunder. The only thing I can think of to effectively transition the land would be to - now for the blasphemous, dangerous thinking- retheme Big Thunder. Should WDI look at retheming Big Thunder to better fit the land? A cypress timber/logging company perhaps to tie into the log flume attraction next door?

 

[GoofGoof]

I'm still hung-up on the transition from PatF to Big Thunder. Adding New Orleans elements by the train station is one thing... I think a new mini land is a fine idea. But it still doesn't really address the disharmonious theme transitions from PatF to Big Thunder. The only thing I can think of to effectively transition the land would be to - now for the blasphemous, dangerous thinking- retheme Big Thunder. Should WDI look at retheming Big Thunder to better fit the land?

The outside of PatF that faces big thunder doesn’t have to change at all. The inside of the ride, queue and gift shop can all be updated to a New Orleans vibe.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

The outside of PatF that faces big thunder doesn’t have to change at all. The inside of the ride, queue and gift shop can all be updated to a New Orleans vibe.

Hmm. Maybe.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Just broaden the categories. Get rid of the problematic "frontier" and make everything from HM to BTMR to PotC "The American Experience" which would include the mini-lands of Liberty Square, Mississippi Valley, The Caribbean, Southwest Mountains, and whatever Haunted Mansion is.

Then rename Adventure Land to "World Adventure" to distinguish it from the domestic experience.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The outside of PatF that faces big thunder doesn’t have to change at all. The inside of the ride, queue and gift shop can all be updated to a New Orleans vibe.

Indeed.

HoP is limited to the Colonial times as its facade and placement in Liberty Square would dictate. Same with Ye Olde Christmas Shoppe... very little Ye Olde Christmas ornaments.

And is everything behind the Main Street facades time and place appropriate (o, hai, Tink!)?