News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

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Tha Realest

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It’s anecdotal, I got attacked for saying the same thing about a different IP. Disney has said that IP in parks = more money, more sales, etc.

Disney has the data, again…. If it wasn’t selling merch, or they didn’t think it would, they would’ve chosen a different IP for this attraction.
This presumes it was done for largely, or exclusively, economic reasons. Again, if someone is going to say they’re doing it because of “strong merch sales,” show the numbers. Some of the sales data that’s been shared suggests the opposite.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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We’ll never see the internal data but there’s plenty of external data available via a quick Google search for “Disney Princess popularity”.

Tiana/PaTF #10


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Tiana/PaTF #12


Tiana/PaTF #11


It’s not scientific or absolute but I see a trend.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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Because, one of those things is saying "omg Tiana doesn't deserve all this representation in the parks". The other is saying "omg Tiana deserves better." People on here are saying Tiana getting a store, restaurant and attraction is TOO much
it is too much… but it would be a whole lot more exciting if we were getting new additions to the parks rather than some reskins as a result of it.

I‘d say the same if they announced they were going to give us a Merida restaurant, ride, and shop. Give us 3 new attractions and it’s a huge win for everyone, simply replacing Big Thunder Mountain, Pecos Bills, and a shop with a Merida theme would bring disappointment rather than excitement.
 

mickEblu

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Because, one of those things is saying "omg Tiana doesn't deserve all this representation in the parks". The other is saying "omg Tiana deserves better." People on here are saying Tiana getting a store, restaurant and attraction is TOO much

Disney is pushing Tiana but that doesn’t mean the movie wasn’t good or can’t make for a great attraction.

All of the following statements are true:

1. PatF didn’t do well in theaters and didn’t really resonate with the masses.
2. PatF is a good movie
3. It increased in popularity incrementally since it’s release
4. Disney is pushing Tiana hard post the events of 2020
5. PatF can make for a great attraction (but this ride isn’t really based on the movie and I don’t like what we’ve seen or heard.)
 

MagicHappens1971

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it is too much… but it would be a whole lot more exciting if we were getting new additions to the parks rather than some reskins as a result of it.

I‘d say the same if they announced they were going to give us a Merida restaurant, ride, and shop. Give us 3 new attractions and it’s a huge win for everyone, simply replacing Big Thunder Mountain, Pecos Bills, and a shop with a Merida theme would bring disappointment rather than excitement.
However Tiana (her IP) is not at fault for the parks seeing less growth in recent years. Disney was going to retheme Splash, it was just a matter of time and IP they chose.

It's comparing apples to oranges... You don't have to be excited, but to say "it's too much", is a stretch...
 

Disgruntled Walt

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No
Because, one of those things is saying "omg Tiana doesn't deserve all this representation in the parks". The other is saying "omg Tiana deserves better." People on here are saying Tiana getting a store, restaurant and attraction is TOO much
PatF deserves better than retheming an old ride.

PatF doesn't deserve all it's getting. It's that simple.
 

MagicHappens1971

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PatF deserves better than retheming an old ride.
If Frozen (the most commercially successful animated Disney franchise in recent years) only got a retheme, I don't see why this shocks anyone. I think that this retheme is going to be very well executed. With that being said, it is unlikely that Disney would've built a purpose built Tiana/PATF attraction otherwise. The ride system makes sense, and they were trying to boot out an old IP.
PatF doesn't deserve all it's getting. It's that simple.
So you would've proposed a B or C ticket get plopped down in MK?
 

Disgruntled Walt

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No
If Frozen (the most commercially successful animated Disney franchise in recent years) only got a retheme, I don't see why this shocks anyone. I think that this retheme is going to be very well executed. With that being said, it is unlikely that Disney would've built a purpose built Tiana/PATF attraction otherwise. The ride system makes sense, and they were trying to boot out an old IP.

So you would've proposed a B or C ticket get plopped down in MK?
I think Frozen deserved something new, too. The ride they got makes no sense and only exists in that form because it was once Maelstrom (see Tokyo's ride).

I never said Tiana didn't deserve an E Ticket. My main point is that if it was going to get anything, it deserved something new. I loathe replacements.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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At the end of the day, movies can be a long term investment. Disney continues to mine and profit off of decades old IPs.

Things also cost less to produce back then, if we really wanted to get into “profitability”
I want to preface this by saying I am a fan of PATF. The movie also did make a solid profit, grossing $271 mil worldwide on a $105 mil budget. I don't even buy claims that it was responsible for the death of hand drawn, it was more successful than the previous three non-Pixar CGI Disney movies Chicken Little, Bolt and Meet the Robinsons (the latter of which did do quite poorly, and I really liked it too).

I will also say that I don't personally care about whether a movie does well. It's not necessarily a sign of either the quality of the film, nor an indication of its success in the long term Pinocchio and Fantasia were some of the biggest bombs from Disney ever, they failed to even make back their budgets and lost the company millions (in 1940 dollars with a company that didn't have the cash to spare) and nearly bankrupted the company. Yet both are considered beloved classics now, with releases in the coming decades much more profitable. When You Wish Upon A Star basically became the company's theme song.

With all that said, corporate did and still does consider PATF a failure by their expectations. I think they were expecting something on the level of Lion King or Beauty and the Beast success. I don't personally consider this to be a fair assessment, but my opinion isn't relevant to the company's own. Until the plans to replace Splash Mountain came up, Disney had relatively little interest in the IP. I also don't think it has grown significantly in popularity since release. In the decade following release, there hasn't been nearly as much merch for it as other movies. And it's highly uncommong to see kids wearing Tiana dresses, they definitely don't sell as much as other pricesses (though there are other unique demographic factors behind this, not just because the IP itself isn't well liked).

The decision to use Tiana in Splash was because of a lack of other appropriate choices. They needed an established kid friendly IP with a black character, and their options were limited. Their only Marvel options as far as I know can't be used at WDW. Tiana being a princess was a plus for corporate, and Disneyland at least won't have the placement problems WDW will.
 

Incomudro

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Disney is pushing Tiana but that doesn’t mean the movie wasn’t good or can’t make for a great attraction.

All of the following statements are true:

1. PatF didn’t do well in theaters and didn’t really resonate with the masses.
2. PatF is a good movie
3. It increased in popularity incrementally since it’s release
4. Disney is pushing Tiana hard post the events of 2020
5. PatF can make for a great attraction (but this ride isn’t really based on the movie and I don’t like what we’ve seen or heard.)
100%.
 
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