News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

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Casper Gutman

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I'm aware of that. But it's a construct that makes me (and others) happy and that depends on the cultivation and maintenance of a relentlessly upbeat image. Perhaps others would prefer Disney to drop the act, but I'm happy to suspend my disbelief and enjoy the fiction.
But Disney’s output is very largely snarky. Marvel (as discussed), but large sections of Star Wars, much of Pixar - heck, even Tiana wasn’t snarkless. And as those films show, snark and sentiment can coexist equally. Snark is absent from the PR rhetoric of the park because they are trying to appeal to an incredibly “exclusive” audience that doesn’t actually represent the company’s fan base or output. It’s a focus that’s been hugely detrimental to the resort, harkening back to a past that largely never existed (Mickey was a snarky little fellow before he was sanitized) and certainly hasn’t existed for years.

Disney’s PR personality doesn’t have to be snarky, but it should probably shoot for “fun” and even “clever.”

Or just “competent.”
 

Smiley/OCD

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No surprise here. People are insane. Some lunatic is selling a Choco Taco on eBay for $25,000. Sad part is that there is probably an equally insane person out there who will buy it.

Didn’t I just see those in the lagoon at Epcot?
 

LittleBuford

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But Disney’s output is very largely snarky. Marvel (as discussed), but large sections of Star Wars, much of Pixar - heck, even Tiana wasn’t snarkless. And as those films show, snark and sentiment can coexist equally. Snark is absent from the PR rhetoric of the park because they are trying to appeal to an incredibly “exclusive” audience that doesn’t actually represent the company’s fan base or output. It’s a focus that’s been hugely detrimental to the resort, harkening back to a past that largely never existed (Mickey was a snarky little fellow before he was sanitized) and certainly hasn’t existed for years.

Disney’s PR personality doesn’t have to be snarky, but it should probably shoot for “fun” and even “clever.”

Or just “competent.”
Perhaps we’re defining snark differently, because I don’t see any in Tiana.

I don’t think Disney as a company has typically indulged in, or been associated with, sarcastic or cheeky put-downs of their rivals. I personally would not regard such an approach as appropriate or consistent with the company’s brand. Others may view things differently, though I doubt mine is a particularly rare position, nor do I believe it has anything to do with exclusivity. I’m not remotely snobby or prissy in my tastes, but I still prefer the Mouse to remain nice.

Fun and clever are a different matter. Those I have no issue with.
 

Tha Realest

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And this is why the despair runs so deep. $35 million is an offensively small amount for a project of this deep significance to the park and fan community, especially given how little Disney gets for their money and how underwhelming (though fun) GotG is despite a budget nearly 17 times as large. It shows an absolutely fundamental ignorance on the part of management that no subsequent increases can actually correct. They don’t understand the parks or thier audience.

Subsequently raising that amount based on Twitter outcry is further evidence of very basic problems. It once again emphasizes exec’s utter cluelessness that they were taken by surprise by the reaction, but reacting to it shows an impulsiveness, poor judgement, and lack of self-confidence (the reason Splash actually needed a change were the historical realities surrounding the production and release of the original film, not the fact that a group of vociferous posters got mad on-line). Twitter is not real life. The fact that Disney’s leaders don’t know that…

Splash needed to change, but it needed to be changed by a company with a very clear vision of its past and future and the will to dedicate copious resources to the project.
Again, why? The need and necessity of this reskin hasn’t been demonstrated. Why shouldn’t it get the JII / Under New Management treatment?

Some on here have suggested it will be the same ride and it won’t be any less fun. Since theming is immaterial, why spend any more money than necessary?
 

Tha Realest

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Exactly they have to make sure they don't damage the flume. I'd say a good amount of this budget is going to demolition. This attraction wasn't built to be taken apart every set is built out of concrete so any change will cost them time and money.
Interesting. Wonder if their demo work would create some stability/structural integrity issues.

I also know one of the concerns about doing anything new to the PeopleMover in DL is that it wouldn’t be grandfathered under the ADA/OSHA. Presumptively a remake of this ride would mean they couldn’t grandfather in to pre-ADA regs (Splash constructed in ‘89; ADA passed in ‘90). Anyone know if Splash would’ve passed ADA muster?
 

JenniferS

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PSA: If anyone here is considering a trip soon to L.A. to ride DL’s Splash Mtn., do take a side trip to nearby Knott’s Berry Farm to ride Timber Mountain, a fantastic, historic Log Flume that greatly influenced Tony Baxters design for Splash.

Timber Mountain is wonderfully, fully themed to a working lumberjack town, from the Garner Holt AAs to the sets, authentic props, CM costumes and catchy theme song that plays in various forms throughout. It also was the first to do the enter-a-pitch-dark-cave-and-plummet-down-a-surprise-drop-into-underground-caverns thing.

And I actually think it was and still is, overall, the best log flume on Earth.
I just watched a POV, and but for the fact that it’s a water ride and not a coaster, it totally made me think of Dollywood’s Blazing Fury … and then son of a gun, they actually shouted “Fire in the hole”. 😂

Looks like a fun ride, but doesn’t hold a candle to Splash.
 

celluloid

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I just watched a POV, and but for the fact that it’s a water ride and not a coaster, it totally made me think of Dollywood’s Blazing Fury … and then son of a gun, they actually shouted “Fire in the hole”. 😂

Looks like a fun ride, but doesn’t hold a candle to Splash.

It does have a very similar feel in person. I enjoy Blazing Fury at Dollywood and Fire in The Hole, pretty much the same thing at Silver Dollar City Better. Timber can be an assault on the senses as it is a fast flume. I visited in March of last year. The flume itself is in kind of rough shape as well as the logs and the old loading and unloading platform which would never be designed today(not unlike many other older log flumes still going) There were also some pretty comical show issues like speakers visible without much effort to hide.

It had a bit too much visible in the show scenes for my liking. The Calico Mine ride does a much better job at being completely themed. Both fun.
 

Drdcm

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Any one hear if they plan update the ride system/track so it requires less maintenance - if it’s even possible to do? A yearly shutdown of a new ride seems problematic.
 

Touchdown

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Timber was the second log flume ride ever built. Yes that’s right, it’s that old it is literally the inspiration for every mountain flume. Cut it some slack and the track isn’t rough it’s designed to bang around like that, it adds to the thrill.
 

celluloid

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Any one hear if they plan update the ride system/track so it requires less maintenance - if it’s even possible to do? A yearly shutdown of a new ride seems problematic.
All rides should close once a year to upkeep. This is what it used to be and why things look so good.

That being said, yes, that is a part of why this project happened. Splash has taken more abuse than any other water ride for its age and usage combined. So many hours. Its refurbs and maintained are costly. There will be a lot of welding and repairs going on, and this retheme allowed for that to be justified.
 

celluloid

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Timber was the second log flume ride ever built. Yes that’s right, it’s that old it is literally the inspiration for every mountain flume. Cut it some slack and the track isn’t rough it’s designed to bang around like that, it adds to the thrill.

That is wrong. Not sure who told you that. There were many at to Six Flags over Georgia and Texas getting their other flumes, 2 at each(it depends on if you count those parks having duplicates to increase capacity) also also designed by Arrow before Timber Mountain. Dollywood even had one before Timer Mountain relocated from the World's fair in the 60s.
 
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Drdcm

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All rides should close once a year to upkeep. This is what it used to be and why things look so good.

That being said, yes, that is a part of why this project happened. Splash has taken more abuse than any other water ride for its age and usage combined. So many hours. Its refurbs and maintained are costly. There will be a lot of welding and repairs going on, and this retheme allowed for that to be justified.
I agree they need regular maintenance. Just wish they’d vary it a bit from year to year. More recently, I’ve only been able to make it in late January and it was frequently closed 😕. I get that it’s timed based on crowd levels though
 

Rich T

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I just watched a POV, and but for the fact that it’s a water ride and not a coaster, it totally made me think of Dollywood’s Blazing Fury … and then son of a gun, they actually shouted “Fire in the hole”. 😂

Looks like a fun ride, but doesn’t hold a candle to Splash.
Fair enough, but what the videos can’t convey is how much fun the motion of the logs along the flume is on Timber Mtn., especially the crazy out of control feeling of careening through twisty darkness after the indoor drop. There’s a moment where the splash wake from the next log back catches up with you and and suddenly it feels like you’re surfing on a swell of water for a couple of seconds. In the dark. It’s pure fun from beginning to end. And no getting soaked!

But, heck, I can’t deny Splash is more spectacular. I love your comparison to Blazing Fury; it’s such a good parallel! The “Fire in the Hole” yell was added in the recent AA upgrade refurb. 😃
 

celluloid

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I agree they need regular maintenance. Just wish they’d very it a bit from year to year. More recently, I’ve only been able to make it in late January and it was frequently closed 😕. I get that it’s timed based on crowd levels though

It is typically when FL gets the cold fronts so that is when all major FL theme parks choose to close the water rides. That stinks, it is a good time to be there but I get it.
 
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