News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

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MisterPenguin

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Ayla said:
If they make it too New Orlean ish, then BTMRR won't fit, though. It's kind of a no-win situation.
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Calling up the ghost of armchair imagineering past...

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So, to visualize my armchair imagineering of reconfiguring the lands. Here's what it is now:

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Yes, MK maps put Diamond Horseshoe in Liberty Square. And if it's suppose to be set in St. Louis, then it's not Wild West. St. Louis was pretty metropolitan by the early 1800s. Also Haunted Mansion is Gothic upstate NY, not Colonial. And there's a Riverboat in Colonial Philadelphia.

And Country Bears are deep south singing mid-20th century songs, not Wild West. And Splash Mountain is supposed to be Deep South as per the source material, but a veneer of Western decoration was fused onto it to make it fit.

So, what if the Rivers of America really was a tour of the rivers of America (like Jungle Cruise jumps around to the big jungle rivers of the world) -- which is what they do in Disneyland. Then you can match the attraction to the river as thus...

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So, Haunted Mansion is there because the river next to it is the Hudson River. The Liberty Square port is on the Delaware at Philadelphia. Then we jump to St. Louis and head down the Mississippi. Diamond Horseshoe can lose its thinly veiled Wild West facade and be a more urbane crossroads of the mid-1800s, thematically supporting what is on the other side of the river: Tom Sawyer's Island.

Heading South on the M., we meet the Country Bears. Then when we get to the New Orleans delta, there's Tiana's Restaurant (formerly Pecos Bill) and Tiana's Bayou Adventure. Just beyond New Orleans Square is the Caribbean Gulf where there are Caribbean restaurants (Tortuga) and Pirates.

Continuing on the river, we jump to the Colorado River and see the BTMR. And then we jump to other big rivers of The West such as the Missouri, Yellowstone, Snake, and Columbia and see the Indian Nations along the way.
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Drdcm

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I had dreams about riding splash mountain last night. It has always been my favorite ride at Disney World ever since I was a little kid. Heres hoping I’ll have good dreams about Tiana’s Bayou Adventure as well. Hoping to have a kid soon, so it’s a good time to make new memories.
 
Incomudro

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EagleScout610 said:
Both will have relatively similar exteriors. The main changes from Classic Splash, aside from more plants are the removal of Br’er Fox’s tree and the Briar patch, plus a new water tower.
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The original tree/boat was scrapped for two given reasons:
1. Didn't fit with the new salt mine story
2. The mountain structure supposedly couldn't support the boat and tree.
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Or: 3) It was too expensive to do, and Disney won't admit it.
 
erasure fan1

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Doberge said:
The ride was great but my memories will be stronger riding with my dad years ago and more recently with my daughter.
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And that is why I say go pound sand to all the dill holes saying "just get over it, it's not that big of a deal" to everyone who's upset. It will not be the same ride when it comes back up. It will have an entirely different feeling, a completely different energy. Will that be a bad thing? Well time will tell. All I know is that some of the greatest memories we have at Disney, are with splash mountain. So yea, this was a big deal.
 
MisterPenguin

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Incomudro said:
I would.
Such a thing would further Disney's trend of less boy, and more girl theming for Magic Kingdom.
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This squeezing would be in DL, not MK. And DL has SWL for boys (and girls).

In MK you can seemlessly go from New Orleads to Pirates with a lot of room a nice transition and plenty of space for a Tiana's Place in place of Pecos Bill on one side and Tortuga on the other.
 
UNCgolf

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I'm glad they're not putting the tree/boat on top. While it looks really cool in concept art, I think it would have potentially caused sightline issues due to increasing the height of the facade. I didn't really want it towering over everything else in the area even if it didn't cause overall sightline problems.

Unless they were planning to do it via forced perspective, but after Beast's Castle I wouldn't trust them to do that!
 
Br0ckford

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Kirby86 said:
So we have any idea what the budget for this is going to be? I'd hope it would be a healthy one however you never know anymore.
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dovetail65

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It was expensive to make Splash mountain so we would hope the re-theme wouldn't come close to that original cost. Even if a retheme was 10% that would be about 45 million.

It cost 190 Million to make Splash Mountain in 1989 or 450 mill in 2023 dollars. FYI the movie Splash Mountain was based on only cost 2 million to make!

Here are some cool numbers, wow 850 million for Smuggler's Run, darn!

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A new report analyzed theme park rides based on films and determined which blockbuster film has the most costly ride counterpart.
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MerlinTheGoat

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The earliest budgets were $30-35 million. It is allegedly FAR higher now. Not Cosmic Rewind levels, but very healthy. Don't have an exact number. I think Frozen was like 60 or 70 million. I'd figure Tiana would need 9 figures to come out decent, but someone who actually knows the amount will have to say either way.
 
JohnD

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UNCgolf said:
I'm glad they're not putting the tree/boat on top. While it looks really cool in concept art, I think it would have potentially caused sightline issues due to increasing the height of the facade. I didn't really want it towering over everything else in the area even if it didn't cause overall sightline problems.

Unless they were planning to do it via forced perspective, but after Beast's Castle I wouldn't trust them to do that!
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Someone posted earlier that the tree plan was ditched because the current hill wouldn't support it along with the boat stuck in the tree.
 
dovetail65

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MerlinTheGoat said:
The earliest budgets were $30-35 million. It is allegedly FAR higher now. Not Cosmic Rewind levels, but very healthy. Don't have an exact number. I think Frozen was like 60 or 70 million. I'd figure Tiana would need 9 figures to come out decent, but someone who actually knows the amount will have to say either way.
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Cosmic Rewind cost 500 million, no way a retheme of Splash Mountain cost near that.

I know we are not talking roller coaster here, but for those that want to know here are the top 8 most expensive to build coasters:

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MisterPenguin

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dovetail65 said:
Cosmic Rewind cost 500 million, no way a retheme of Splash Mountain cost near that.

I know we are not talking roller coaster here, but for those that want to know here are the top 8 most expensive to build coasters:

rarest.org

8 Most Expensive Roller Coasters Ever Built - Rarest.org

Not everyone loves roller coasters, but the biggest, longest, highest, fastest, and most expensive in the world draw millions of visitors for a reason. The ... Read more
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Does this take into account the money they got back for selling the dinosaurs on Ebay?
 
UNCgolf

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JohnD said:
Someone posted earlier that the tree plan was ditched because the current hill wouldn't support it along with the boat stuck in the tree.
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Yeah, I saw that. I'm just saying I'm glad it's not being done regardless of the reason.
 
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