News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[Pi on my Cake]

For you maybe, but since you're not everybody, don't try to speak for everybody.

I've grown up seeing the character from SotS sing that song over and over again. Before the song went into the permanent vault, that movie clip was on TV with just about every Disney show. It's indelibly printed in my mind to see James Baskett singing it when I hear it.

The irony is that you two understand it separated from its source because Disney was embarrassed (rightfully so) of the source. Disney tried to 'save' the song and animation from that public relations train wreck by burying the source.

But there are lots of people very aware of the source.

*Very* aware.

I apologize if I gave off the impression of being insensitive. I fully am aware of the issues with Splash Mountain and Zipadeedoodah. And while I would've preferred a new adaptation of the Brer stories to reclaim them from how they were tainted by Song of the South and Joel Chandler Harris, and then updating Splash for this new version. Celebrate early African American culture and fix the mistakes of the past rather than erase and pretend it never happened. I completely understand and support that something had to change. And I am in full support of change happening even if I personally believe there were better ways that change could've gone.

When I was talking about the song being separated from the movie, that wasn't me arguing it should stay. That was simply me saying that was one of the things that helped it work so well as a parade/general Disney song. For a good portion of people it was mostly if not completely dissociated from its source. It simply existed as a symbol of Disney. A parade float using that song would have Mickey and friends, not Uncle Remus. It is going to be tough to find a proper substitute that isn't as disconnected from its source for a good portion of people.

But again, I realize that for the people for who the song is not seperated from its source, it is a painful reminder of terrible things. The type of reminder people shouldn't face in a Disney park. Especially during a fireworks show or parade. I'm not trying to say it shouldn't be replaced, just saying it will be tough to replace.

 

[MisterPenguin]

And while I would've preferred a new adaptation of the Brer stories to reclaim them from how they were tainted by Song of the South and Joel Chandler Harris, and then updating Splash for this new version. Celebrate early African American culture and fix the mistakes of the past rather than erase and pretend it never happened. I completely understand and support that something had to change. And I am in full support of change happening even if I personally believe there were better ways that change could've gone.

I was all for that too!...

I've been wanting this for a long time. Bring in African and African-American talent to re-create these tales, most of which go back to African folklore, and re-tell it removing, as you said, the Reconstruction framing and the Deep South in-bred stereotypes. Then recontextualize Zippity Doo Dah into a animal frolicky scene that can double as a stand-alone music video.

Disney waited too long to redeem what would have been redeemable.

 

[Pi on my Cake]

I was all for that too!...




Disney waited too long to redeem what would have been redeemable.

It's a shame. Could've been great from both an animation/splash mountain fan perspective and from a social change perspective. Jordan Peele has been wanting to make a Gargoyles movie for years, Disney could've easily made a deal with him to have the project oversaw by one of the most prominent black filmmakers in America. Then we could have also gotten a Gargoyles movie finally! I picture a collection of shorts by different filmmakers compiled as a movie. Like Fantasia or Winnie the Pooh.

But this is all a moot point now. Like you said, they waited until it was too late to take any action just hoping people would forget about Song of the South if they didn't add it to Disney+.

Princess and the Frog should be a great ride though. Even if I think the theme won't really fit into WDW's location well.

 

[GimpYancIent]

I am curious to see if Dr. Facilier is somehow incorporated into the scenery coming out of the shadows and the smell of fresh Beignets pumped into the air.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I am curious to see if Dr. Facilier is somehow incorporated into the scenery coming out of the shadows and the smell of fresh Beignets pumped into the air.

If he isn’t in the ride, it’ll be a missed opportunity. He was the best part of a very lacklustre era of films.

 

[Brer Panther]

If he isn’t in the ride, it’ll be a missed opportunity. He was the best part of a very lacklustre era of films.

Didn't that leaked overview of the plot (the "Louis has to find his trumpet" thing) mention that he and his "Friends on the Other Side" would be taking over Burrow's Lament/lift hill scene?

 

[Disneyson]

Didn't that leaked overview of the plot (the "Louis has to find his trumpet" thing) mention that he and his "Friends on the Other Side" would be taking over Burrow's Lament/lift hill scene?

I didn't hear that! I've only seen speculation. Where can I find the leak?

 

[Brer Panther]

I didn't hear that! I've only seen speculation. Where can I find the leak?

Apparently it was revealed in a podcast.

 

[JohnD]

I am curious to see if Dr. Facilier is somehow incorporated into the scenery coming out of the shadows and the smell of fresh Beignets pumped into the air.

Considering it will be the same track, if they also hold to the darkened lighting upon entering what is currently The Laughing Place, it seems to me that would be the perfect place to put him and a "friends on the other side" scene.

 

[EagleScout610]

Considering it will be the same track, if they also hold to the darkened lighting upon entering what is currently The Laughing Place, it seems to me that would be the perfect place to put him and a "friends on the other side" scene.

I believe that it was speculated the Laughing Place would be the fireflies and the lift would be Friends on the Other Side

 

[JohnD]

I believe that it was speculated the Laughing Place would be the fireflies and the lift would be Friends on the Other Side

Okay. Well Laughing Place leads to the lift. So definitely in that area.

 

[EagleScout610]

Okay. Well Laughing Place leads to the lift. So definitely in that area.

Honestly though I wouldn't put it past Disney to reuse the spinning bees as fireflies

 

[JohnD]

Honestly though I wouldn't put it past Disney to reuse the spinning bees as fireflies

The frogs are a given.

 

[Brer Panther]

Well, apparently they're going to reskin Brer Bear with the beehive on his nose as Louis stuck in a prickle bush, so... yeah, there's a distinct possibilty.

Side note, anybody else wondering just how the beehive got on Brer Bear's nose to begin with? Did he decide to stick his nose in there, or did it just fall off and land on his nose somehow?

 

[EagleScout610]

Well, apparently they're going to reskin Brer Bear with the beehive on his nose as Louis stuck in a prickle bush, so... yeah, there's a distinct possibilty.

Side note, anybody else wondering just how the beehive got on Brer Bear's nose to begin with? Did he decide to stick his nose in there, or did it just fall off and land on his nose somehow?

My guess is he just stuck his head in the hole and got it wedged on there

 

[Turtle]

Would love to see Facilier in HM!

I'd rather see an airplane coming straight towards my balcony

 

[owlsandcoffee]

Well, apparently they're going to reskin Brer Bear with the beehive on his nose as Louis stuck in a prickle bush, so... yeah, there's a distinct possibilty.

Side note, anybody else wondering just how the beehive got on Brer Bear's nose to begin with? Did he decide to stick his nose in there, or did it just fall off and land on his nose somehow?

Spoilers for Song of the South... if you were planning on watching it, lol. Br'er Rabbit escapes getting cooked by Br'er Fox by convincing Br'er Bear that there's a thing called a "Laughing Place". Br'er Bear wants to see the Laughing Place, so Br'er Rabbit leads them along until he finds a thicket with a beehive in it. He tells Br'er Bear that's the Laughing Place, and Br'er Bear sticks his head in. This leads to Beehive on nose.

 

[DCLcruiser]

Spoilers for Song of the South... if you were planning on watching it, lol. Br'er Rabbit escapes getting cooked by Br'er Fox by convincing Br'er Bear that there's a thing called a "Laughing Place". Br'er Bear wants to see the Laughing Place, so Br'er Rabbit leads them along until he finds a thicket with a beehive in it. He tells Br'er Bear that's the Laughing Place, and Br'er Bear sticks his head in. This leads to Beehive on nose.

And now the ride and name "LP" makes sense. The more you know...

 

[Disneyson]

Doesn’t the dialogue from the ride basically say that, like, “this might not be your laughin’ place, but I sure am laughin!” “There’s just BEES in there!”

 

[Texas84]

A re-theme to Moana makes more sense.