News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

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celluloid

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In the case of PatF, however, the IP has a huge bearing on the style of music—much more so than with SotS. I would also point to the Country Bear Jamboree as proof that Frontierland has long accommodated references and sounds that don’t really fit the land’s ostensible theme.

You have tried that argument before. Country Bear Jamboree's songs are newer than the time period they sing about, but are subjects and in a style that are a tribute to the time period and themes.
 

LittleBuford

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You have tried that argument before. Country Bear Jamboree's songs are newer than the time period they sing about, but are subjects and in a style that are a tribute to the time period and themes.
Well, I'm not sure how All the Guys That Turn Me On Turn Me Down has anything to do with pioneering culture, but as you say, we've had this argument before and no-one is going to change their minds.
 

celluloid

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Well, I'm not sure how All the Guys That Turn Me On Turn Me Down has anything to do with pioneering culture, but as you say, we've had this argument before and no-one is going to change their minds.

I will help you out. It is presented in the form of of a Wyatt Earp western revue show, which are a tribute to the Wild West. The way the trio are dressed and the background slideshow is presented in a melodrama type slideshow format. It is not supposed to be taking place in the old west, but at the turn of the century when those types of shows were popular. It is objective as evident by the script in the show and the thematic narratives in the attraction.
 

Ghost93

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I suspect that Splash Mountain will close shortly after TRON opens. While the plan is for the retheme to be open by 2024, I think Disney will honestly take as long as they need. They just don't want people to think the retheme has been canceled.
 

SplashJacket

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I don’t see how it’s inconceivable that this can open within two years. I don’t see major additions coming to the Queue or surrounding structure (other than the boat on top).

Everything else is simple set replacements. Nothing is that complex. Maelstrom overhauled the queue, added new scenes, and replaced old scenes. This is just scene replacement. Yes, the overall scale is greater because Splash Mountain is larger, but the work in each scene should be lesser in scope.
 

yensidtlaw1969

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Sorry. Typo. 2007 pre refurb was the terrible ripped.scrim.and entire show scene elements missing(such as bicycle ghosts) . 2010 is when the late hours and even less maintenance accelerated.
Just noticed there was a typo on my part as well - I meant "DO you mean", not "SO you mean", which is a little less tonally polite. So I apologize for that.

I agree that the Mansion had some hideous show issues before the 2007 ReHaunting finally gave them the latitude to give everything a nice tune up. I don't love everything they've done since . . . *cough* Digital Hitchhiking Ghosts *cough* . . . but at least the ride seems to be paid more attention overall.

Where is that energy through the rest of the resort?
 

celluloid

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Just noticed there was a typo on my part as well - I meant "DO you mean", not "SO you mean", which is a little less tonally polite. So I apologize for that.

I agree that the Mansion had some hideous show issues before the 2007 ReHaunting finally gave them the latitude to give everything a nice tune up. I don't love everything they've done since . . . *cough* Digital Hitchhiking Ghosts *cough* . . . but at least the ride seems to be paid more attention overall.

Where is that energy through the rest of the resort?

Agreed. The staircase EC style was a cute ride that actually plays nicely. No need for an apology but that is class act of you to notice. Thanks for that. For awhile the graveyard looked pretty good again.

The Hitchiking ghosts to digital actually came later, and I think we can typically find majority agreeing it ruins the point of the effect most of the time and we can do it on our phones, where a large scale pepper's ghost reversed most will never have at home or in their pocket.

I wonder if that energy died with the increased push for the NextGen things. That is what I feel and find anyway with the 2010 year being on my mind.

And hey, at least we got a great gift shop out of it that sells mostly park attraction specific things. It was a good time and you are right, that energy should have continued.
 

ifan

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My completely uneducated guess is that this will close in the next 6-9 months and then take around 2 years to complete. Spring 2025 opening.
 

LittleBuford

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I will help you out. It is presented in the form of of a Wyatt Earp western revue show, which are a tribute to the Wild West. The way the trio are dressed and the background slideshow is presented in a melodrama type slideshow format. It is not supposed to be taking place in the old west, but at the turn of the century when those types of shows were popular. It is objective as evident by the script in the show and the thematic narratives in the attraction.
My understanding is that the show is more directly based on Homer and Jethro (Southern, mid-twentieth century). That doesn’t mean there isn’t overlap with the genre you cite—I agree that there is—but that still doesn’t negate my original point, which is that Frontierland already encompasses plenty of Southern references.
 

celluloid

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My understanding is that the show is more directly based on Homer and Jethro (Southern, mid-twentieth century). That doesn’t mean there isn’t overlap with the genre you cite—I agree that there is—but that still doesn’t negate my original point, which is that Frontierland already encompasses plenty of Southern references.

This is why it is called Frontierland and features Pioneering atmosphere and love letters to the spirit of it all that is Romanticized folklore Americana. And not "Westernland" in a sense of just the geographic west.
 

MisterPenguin

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So Orlando will open first then?

Maybe.
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yensidtlaw1969

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Agreed. The staircase EC style was a cute ride that actually plays nicely. No need for an apology but that is class act of you to notice. Thanks for that. For awhile the graveyard looked pretty good again.

The Hitchiking ghosts to digital actually came later, and I think we can typically find majority agreeing it ruins the point of the effect most of the time and we can do it on our phones, where a large scale pepper's ghost reversed most will never have at home or in their pocket.

I wonder if that energy died with the increased push for the NextGen things. That is what I feel and find anyway with the 2010 year being on my mind.

And hey, at least we got a great gift shop out of it that sells mostly park attraction specific things. It was a good time and you are right, that energy should have continued.
That was what I meant by changes that have been made since - and I fully agree with you that a fully staged illusion is more unique and impressive than basically any projection effect, even an interactive one. I'm so glad they haven't touched the effect in Disneyland.

Funny enough, it seems like The Haunted Mansion was the turning point for the interactive queue initiative - Thunder, Mine Train, and Pan had theirs open afterward, but it seems like Mansion was where it jumped the shark and Disney seemed to take notice. I happen to think there's some interesting potential for an Interactive Queue at the Mansion, but what was built is overly cartoonish, noisy, and out of step with the ride it precedes.

I do enjoy Memento Mori, and find myself regularly dropping at least a couple bucks there. Not all the merch is my flavor, but when they hit it . . . I may currently have a pair of Gargoyles watching over as I type this (and may or may not have altered the dates of a recent trip to Paris to nab the Kevin and Jody Phantom Manor figure :oops:)

All this to say, it does seem like the Interactive Queue initiative is dead as we knew it. None of Disney's major new attractions in the last 7 years have featured such elements. Which is fine with me, because I much prefer strong theming over buttons and levers.

To tie this back into everything . . . It's sort of stunning how Disney went out on a limb spending more money on queues instead of the rides themselves, only to end up in a place where both seem to have every chance of languishing. I know Splash has unique maintenance issues, but nothing should never be allowed to get this bad.
 

Riverrafter21

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Either Disney is being very secretive about their progress, which is interesting, or there is no progress and nobody but the "true" bus drivers know what's going on. I would think if the three animatronics are in development as rumored wouldn't we have seen social media on it?

If this is Disney's crowning act of progressiveness why have they been this quiet? Imagineering is way too narcissistic to not give us updates.
 
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marni1971

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Either Disney is being very secretive about their progress, which is interesting, or there is no progress and nobody but the "true" bus drivers know what's going on. I would think if the three animatronics are in development as rumored wouldn't we have seen social media on it?

If this is Disney's crowning act of progressiveness why have they been this quiet? Imagineering is way to narcissistic to not give us updates.
I wouldn’t read too much into it.

Half of the gang are still debating if they want to move to Orlando.
 

FettFan

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So….seeing as how the track runs through part of Splash’s show building, will this mean they’re going to keep the railroad closed until 2024 as well?


Because that would mean it will have been shut down for nearly six years.
 
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