News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[LittleBuford]

You should go back and listen to the music from the ride or read the ride dialogue again. A lot of inferences can and should lead one to that conclusion you say there is no evidence for.

You can also know how reverse psychology works without this particular example of the trickster character from the film. My seven year old gets it. I would understand if one says it is more difficult to appreciate or get, but not impossible by any means.

I’ve experienced the ride and watched the film multiple times. To my mind, what is clear in the film—that Br’er Rabbit cleverly engineers his escape through reverse psychology—is not at all clear in the ride. I suppose it isn’t impossible for someone to come up with this interpretation based on the attraction alone, and so I’m happy to take back my use of that particular word, but I think it’a pretty far-fetched to claim that any attentive viewer can arrive at such a conclusion without prior knowledge of the story.

 

[celluloid]

I don't think it's that difficult to understand. The Disneyland version tells the story in the lyrics fairly explicitly?! Brer Rabbit says don't throw me in the Briar Patch, Brer Fox says that's just where you're going, and Brer Rabbit sings a verse at the end how home sweet home is today's lesson, and "what Brer Fox don't know is the Briar Patch is where my home is!" If you actually pay attention, it tells you what's going on.

This. He starts in the Briar Patch, it ends with him back home in the Briar Patch.

Also, just to note, this is also the second trick he pulls on his antagonists within the ride. He already by that point has shown the audience he got them to go to The Laughing Place that was for his benefit.

 

[celluloid]

I suppose it isn’t impossible for someone to come up with this interpretation based on the attraction alone, and so I’m happy to take back my use of that particular word

Thank you.

 

[Brer Oswald]

The Splash Mountain retheme is going ahead as scheduled. I think some people seem to have forgotten (conveniently and/or purposely) that Disney moves at a snail's pace with these projects. Escargot anyone?

I’ve missed you Phil.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

Carousel of Progress is not literally the same family,

 

[Brer Oswald]

This. He starts in the Briar Patch, it ends with him back home in the Briar Patch.

Also, just to note, this is also the second trick he pulls on his antagonists within the ride. He already by that point has shown the audience he got them to go to The Laughing Place that was for his benefit.

It definitely might be something most people don’t catch the first time they are going on the drop (if they have no experience with the story). But if you’re paying any attention, it’s obvious in the finale. It’s a “revelation” to the audience. It’s a common trick in storytelling. And it adds more context and enjoyment in repeat ride throughs.

 

[celluloid]

It definitely might be something most people don’t catch the first time they are going on the drop (if they have no experience with the story). But if you’re paying any attention, it’s obvious in the finale. It’s a “revelation” to the audience. It’s a common trick in storytelling. And it adds more context and enjoyment in repeat ride throughs.

Indeed and agreed. It is like turning the last page of a storybook where it all worked out. This was all great and intentional in design. Right down to the antagonist getting their come uppins and the hero understanding the moral. It also brilliantly mirrors our physical thrill and everything turning out ok.

Arguably, I think it does it the best of any classic storytelling attraction in Walt Disney's theme park history.

 

[MisterPenguin]

come uppins

comeuppance

Darned that autocorrect!

 

[Brer Oswald]

comeuppance

Darned that autocorrect!

It happens.

 

[LittleBuford]

Brer Rabbit sings a verse at the end how home sweet home is today's lesson, and "what Brer Fox don't know is the Briar Patch is where my home is!" If you actually pay attention, it tells you what's going on.

I don’t recall hearing the bolded words in the WDW version (which is the one I know personally). I just watched two different ride-through videos on YouTube and didn’t hear it in those either.

In any case, I’m happy to disagree. I think people are mistaking what I’m saying as some sort of (pro-retheme) criticism, whereas I intend it as nothing more than an uncontroversial observation that can be made of any film-based ride.

 

[celluloid]

comeuppance

Darned that autocorrect!

Text to speech. That one hurts as I am a Lit Professor. But look up the origin of the word's formation. ;-)

 

[Dear Prudence]

I don’t recall hearing the bolded words in the WDW version (which is the one I know personally). I just watched two different ride-through videos on YouTube and didn’t hear it in those either.

In any case, I’m happy to disagree. I think people are mistaking what I’m saying as some sort of (pro-retheme) criticism, whereas I intend it as nothing more than an uncontroversial observation that can be made of any film-based ride.

I am not trying to be disrespectful at all, and I didn't read it as any kind of pro-retheme criticism. I just think that the narratives of the attraction (even in the Tokyo version) isn't too hard to follow.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I don’t recall hearing the bolded words in the WDW version (which is the one I know personally). I just watched two different ride-through videos on YouTube and didn’t hear it in those either.

In any case, I’m happy to disagree. I think people are mistaking what I’m saying as some sort of (pro-retheme) criticism, whereas I intend it as nothing more than an uncontroversial observation that can be made of any film-based ride.

That line is exclusive to Disneyland, but the WDW song has a line along the lines of “it’s where I’m born and breded , the Briar patch is where I’m headed” as well as “I gotta thank Brer Fox and Brer Bear for flinging me back home to my Briar Patch”. There’s also the giant “Welcome Home Brer Rabbit” banner that is near unmissable.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

How is it absurd? It’s factually true that someone who’s seen the film (or knows the story) can better grasp the narrative of the ride. That goes for just about any attraction at Disney that is based on a movie.

I think people need to stop the deep thinking about the attractions and just simply enjoy them. That's why I think it's absurd.

 

[LittleBuford]

I am not trying to be disrespectful at all, and I didn't read it as any kind of pro-retheme criticism. I just think that the narratives of the attraction (even in the Tokyo version) isn't too hard to follow.

As I said, we’ll have to agree to disagree. Some here take your view, and others mine, so it’s clear that opinion is divided.

 

[Dear Prudence]

That line is exclusive to Disneyland, but the WDW song has a line along the lines of “it’s where I’m born and breded , the Briar patch is where I’m headed” as well as “I gotta thank Brer Fox and Brer Bear for flinging me back home to my Briar Patch”. There’s also the giant “Welcome Home Brer Rabbit” banner that is near unmissable.

I didn't realize that line was exclusive to Disney World, but I was speaking to the attainable plot of the attractions as a whole.

 

[LittleBuford]

That line is exclusive to Disneyland, but the WDW song has a line along the lines of “it’s where I’m born and breded , the Briar patch is where I’m headed” as well as “I gotta thank Brer Fox and Brer Bear for flinging me back home to my Briar Patch”. There’s also the giant “Welcome Home Brer Rabbit” banner that is near unmissable.

As you yourself acknowledged, someone riding the attraction for the first time is apt to misunderstand Br’er Rabbit’s pleas not to be thrown into the briar patch, whereas someone watching the film isn’t. That isn’t to say that I think the ride is unenjoyable or unintelligible. All I’m saying is that the plot is almost certainly going to be clearer to those already familiar with the tales, as is the case with all of Disney’s movie-based rides.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I didn't realize that line was exclusive to Disney World, but I was speaking to the attainable plot of the attractions as a whole.

I think they make the outcome pretty clear in the finale of both versions, but they just communicate it with variations of similar lines. I can’t speak for everyone, but I understood it after my first ride through despite having no prior experience with the story.

 

[Brer Oswald]

As you yourself acknowledged, someone riding the attraction for the first time is apt to misunderstand Br’er Rabbit’s pleas not to be thrown into the briar patch, whereas someone watching the film isn’t. That isn’t to say that I think the ride is unenjoyable or unintelligible. All I’m saying is that the plot is almost certainly going to be clearer to those already familiar with the tales, as is the case with all of Disney’s movie-based rides.

It’s merely a different way of telling the same story. It’s revelation after the event, rather than prior. It’s a common type of storytelling, and I think it’s more effective for first timers because there’s an inherent sense of danger and thrill going down the drop. By the end of the ride, you get the full extent of the story, the motives of the protagonist, and the failure of the overconfident antagonist. Unless you closed your eyes and plugged up ears, but you would miss any story elements regardless of the ride.

It is also not cut and dry the same story as the films or the stories. The rope trap, the Laughing Place, and the Briar Patch are typically separate stories, not sequential. They orchestrate the segments into one continuous unique telling of the story, but they still preserve the main morale of the Briar Patch story as the crux of the plot.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Text to speech. That one hurts as I am a Lit Professor. But look up the origin of the word's formation. ;-)

I want to know what online dictionary has 'uppins' as a valid word!

The editors of such a dictionary will certainly meet their just deserts when they come up before a linguistic tribunal that'll mete out their... their... hmmm... need a word for that!