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News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

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James Alucobond

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Three or four idiots on the internet does not equate to the masses wanting this classic ride changed. Another corporation cow-tailing to a few loud mouths on the internet. I just had my last trip to Disney world to enjoy my last ride on my favorite all time ride at any park. Clueless Disney. It’s cartoon characters and songs, nothing racist and I have seen every color of person having fun on this ride and never heard one of them claim to be offended… just wet
I agree with you that the masses likely are not up in arms about this. The majority of people probably don't know or care. But this isn't about that. It's about Disney carefully curating and cultivating their image, which is not the same as clueless Twitter mob kowtowing even if you don't agree with it.
 

Vinnie Mac

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Three or four idiots on the internet does not equate to the masses wanting this classic ride changed. Another corporation cow-tailing to a few loud mouths on the internet. I just had my last trip to Disney world to enjoy my last ride on my favorite all time ride at any park. Clueless Disney. It’s cartoon characters and songs, nothing racist and I have seen every color of person having fun on this ride and never heard one of them claim to be offended… just wet
I'm a black and I enjoyed the ride but I'd love for a switch in them to Princess and the Frog. Not everyone has political reasons for it. Opinions are opinions. Isn't free speech what you guys love to talk about?
 

Kate F

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I will say that I would be slightly more accepting towards the whole retheme idea if fans of the current ride got anything significant to compensate for it. But we’re not going to, so….
 

WEDfan9798

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There's always been a mélange of different states and regions surrounding the Rivers of America, so I don't think it's especially problematic even if the particulars of Louisiana spill out into the exterior. The Haunted Mansion and Sleepy Hollow are New York, the southern part of Liberty Square is Pennsylvania, Tom Sawyer Island is Missouri and (more broadly) the Mississippi River, the Diamond Horseshoe and Jamboree are the far west, Pecos Bill and Big Thunder are the southwest, and Splash is Georgia. I actually think it could be an even nicer transition if Pecos Bill becomes a New Orleans-style eatery since it was always weird to me that it was disconnected from Big Thunder in the first place, plus it might be able to more elegantly flow into the Tortuga Tavern area as a port town that would reasonably have access to the Caribbean.
Nope, it makes sense to keep it as is because the transition between Caribbean Plaza to Frontierland is supposed to be Spanish. Make Splash Mountain into the Frog ride and keep the Southern theming relegated to Splash Mountain. That would be much better than trying to redo all those buildings and cheaper, which means more money can be spent on the damn ride, which is the only reason why we're talking about this.
 

WEDfan9798

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Marc Davis made alternate versions of the shows scenes without the depictions of minorities.
Exactly. And looking at what he did to include them towards the end, it's way less offensive than what he started with in 1967/68. I am Native and Mexican, but I don't mind the bandits or having Native Americans in the ride. Just as long as they're not gross caricatures like what you'd see in Peter Pan.
 

DisneyDodo

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Counter argument to this. Disney doesn't build 10+ minute rides anymore. A Princess and the Frog ride as a new build would be 5 minutes tops. This is a situation where if done well, I would welcome the retrofit / retheme.
The question is whether Disney will actually fill the 10+ minute ride with the proper amount of theming, or if they will just take the same few animatronics and physical set pieces they would have used on a 5-minute ride and spread it out over 10+
 

RSoxNo1

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The question is whether Disney will actually fill the 10+ minute ride with the proper amount of theming, or if they will just take the same few animatronics and physical set pieces they would have used on a 5-minute ride and spread it out over 10+
Absolutely. This is a situation where anything less than Splash Mountain will be looked down upon. They need to make this great.
 

Kate F

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Counter argument to this. Disney doesn't build 10+ minute rides anymore. A Princess and the Frog ride as a new build would be 5 minutes tops. This is a situation where if done well, I would welcome the retrofit / retheme.
So you’re excusing modern Disney’s inability to create lengthy attractions? You have to ruin another ride to get a “new” lengthy attraction because you don’t trust Disney enough to make a new one from scratch?
 

LittleBuford

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You guys get on me for saying modern Imagineering is inferior (with some exceptions) while admitting that they can’t build lengthy rides nowadays and excusing it. Don’t expect me to have faith in them ruining my favorite attraction when you yourselves don’t even trust them.
I don’t think anyone is saying that they can’t, rather that they no longer do.
 

Kirby86

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So this was a spur in the moment decision to change the ride because that's what I'm reading
I'm sure there were discussions and pitches for a change to this theme ahead of time. Since the announcement artwork looks way to good to be thrown together quickly. But I don't think they had the go ahead for any real planning until recently.
 
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