News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[_caleb]

Except that exact scenario [almost] already has been played out recently, and it didn't go the way you're saying Sots/SM did....

Disney announced a Brer characters animated series?

 

[SamusAranX]

Disney announced a Brer characters animated series?

No; a major studio rereleased a classic movie on a popular streaming service, but with new historical messaging/context, and there was no mass boycott, widescale condemnation, or philosophical rioting. so i don't see why Disney couldn't release a Brer series, or even SotS on Disney+

 

[_caleb]

No; a major studio rereleased a classic movie on a popular streaming service, but with new historical messaging/context, and there was no mass boycott, widescale condemnation, or philosophical rioting. so i don't see why Disney couldn't release a Brer series, or even SotS on Disney+

Other than to minimize the differences between whatever film you’re talking about and Disney’s situation with Song of the South, is there was reason you’re being vague about your example?

 

[JohnD]

If anything, it's the opposite. It allows Disney to backdoor pilot the attraction storyline and ride the coattails of the series' success as a means for additional marketing fodder (hype machine) and to show they are committed to the makeover. TBH, had a feeling this was going to happen. You better believe they'll use the series as a springboard to launch the reinvented attraction.

Agree. Attraction re-theme ties to the new series, if not specifically to the story at least the characters are now "current". Here's a story about it from Screen Rant.

Princess & The Frog Sequel Show Tiana Coming To Disney+ In 2022

The Princess and The Frog spinoff is titled Tiana.

screenrant.com

 

[JohnD]

Follow up: In theory they could utilize a similar strategy on Disney+ to put Song of the South back into the public consciousness by creating a Brer characters animated series, showcase the original film with intro commentary and do a making of documentary specifically addresses "inclusivity" diversity as well as the harm of racial stereotypes. Regardless, Disney will need to address the later before it gets out of hand or paints them in negative light. (There are already a handful of peoples who think Walt was a racist... but that's another discussion) It would behoove Disney to put all this out there vs their current MO of sweeping any "potential unmentionable" under the rug.

Would we even be discussing this had Disney just released Song of the South to a newer audience instead of pretending it didn't exist? I honestly don't know. Whoops... OT, let's get back on track. Splash Mountain retheme. I think had Disney released SotS with commentary on Disney+ or created an entirely new Brer Adventures series on Disney+ we wouldn't be having retheme discussions.

While it's a great educational idea, even with the disclaimer that would go before the movie, I don't think it will happen. I think it will be "locked away in the vault" forever.

 

[SamusAranX]

Other than to minimize the differences between whatever film you’re talking about and Disney’s situation with Song of the South, is there was reason you’re being vague about your example?

Because it proves my point; if rereleasing a racist-plagued film is such an inherently bad idea, you should know exactly what I am talking about

Gone with the Wind my friend

 

[Parker in NYC]

Because it proves my point; if rereleasing a racist-plagued film is such an inherently bad idea, you should know exactly what I am talking about

Gone with the Wind my friend

A company known worldwide as the ultimate brand of family entertainment did not create nor release GWTW.

 

[SamusAranX]

A company known worldwide as the ultimate brand of family entertainment did not create nor release GWTW.

So Disney is concerned about it's "family image" all the sudden? Then why they hell did they rehire James Gunn?? /sarcasm

 

[Parker in NYC]

So Disney is concerned about it's "family image" all the sudden? Then why they hell did they rehire James Gunn?? /sarcasm

Oh lord, whataboutism. Typical response.

Whoopi has lobbied for decades to present SoTS, herself, to modern audiences and Disney always said no. They aren't changing their minds.

 

[SamusAranX]

Oh lord, whataboutism. Typical response.

Whoopi has lobbied for decades to present SoTS, herself, to modern audiences and Disney always said no. They aren't changing their minds.

Was the "/sarcasm" too subtle? i was cracking a joke. Yes, I am cynical, but even I know Disney has a "reputation" even if it's one with holes in it.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Was the "/sarcasm" too subtle? i was cracking a joke. Yes, I am cynical, but even I know Disney has a "reputation" even if it's one with holes in it.

Everything has holes in it. We're all swiss cheese. The fact remains that Disney commits itself to being family entertainment under the "Disney" brand, however muddled their associations (i.e. SotS).

 

[SamusAranX]

Everything has holes in it. We're all swiss cheese. The fact remains that Disney commits itself to being family entertainment under the "Disney" brand, however muddled their associations (i.e. SotS).

Correct; doesn't mean my right to complain about SM being taken away, or my objections to the posturing, should be nullified on this all-important forum

 

[Parker in NYC]

Correct; doesn't mean my right to complain about SM being taken away, or my objections to the posturing, should be nullified on this all-important forum

When did I nullify it? By stating a fact about the Walt Disney Company? Maybe it isn't a fact. Maybe it's an opinion, if it rattled your cage, oops.

 

[SamusAranX]

When did I nullify it? By stating a fact about the Walt Disney Company? Maybe it isn't a fact. Maybe it's an opinion, if it rattled your cage, oops.

No you didn’t. I like you and your posts. I’m just a part time cynic and sometimes sarcastic person. Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression.

 

[Parker in NYC]

No you didn’t. I like you and your posts. I’m just a part time cynic and sometimes sarcastic person. Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression.

I can't seem to discuss this stuff on my Bob Dylan forum, so, this is the best of all possible worlds.

 

[_caleb]

Because it proves my point; if rereleasing a racist-plagued film is such an inherently bad idea, you should know exactly what I am talking about

Gone with the Wind my friend

Yeah, I saw some discussion about this. I can certainly see similarities.

I still don’t think Disney is hiding Song of the South away out of fear (of a backlash or a boycott or whatever). I think they genuinely think the film is poorly done.

But I also think the discussion here has actually done a good job of exploring the complexities of this: the original intent of the film, the immediate criticisms, the love put into the animation, the creativity of blended animation/live action, the regular rereleases, the growing awareness of racial insensitivity, the attempt to distance the characters for the ride, Disney’s current predicament in announcing the changes. It’s not easy, and lots of people have opinions about this stuff!

 

[HauntedPirate]

Yeah, I saw some discussion about this. I can certainly see similarities.

I still don’t think Disney is hiding Song of the South away out of fear (of a backlash or a boycott or whatever). I think they genuinely think the film is poorly done.

But I also think the discussion here has actually done a good job of exploring the complexities of this: the original intent of the film, the immediate criticisms, the love put into the animation, the creativity of blended animation/live action, the regular rereleases, the growing awareness of racial insensitivity, the attempt to distance the characters for the ride, Disney’s current predicament in announcing the changes. It’s not easy, and lots of people have opinions about this stuff!

“Fear” is what Iger ran the company on for 15 years. Fear of spending too much. Fear that profits wouldn’t be enough to impress stock analysts. Fear a movie wouldn’t do as well as projected. Remember “de-risk” and “cost containment”? Just buzzwords for “fear”. He feared any reaction that would have been negative for acknowledging SotS even existed, which is why he hid it.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

If anything, it's the opposite. It allows Disney to backdoor pilot the attraction storyline and ride the coattails of the series' success as a means for additional marketing fodder (hype machine) and to show they are committed to the makeover. TBH, had a feeling this was going to happen. You better believe they'll use the series as a springboard to launch the reinvented attraction.

Disney will likely time the debut of both to be roughly the same.

 

[Parker in NYC]

“Fear” is what Iger ran the company on for 15 years. Fear of spending too much. Fear that profits wouldn’t be enough to impress stock analysts. Fear a movie wouldn’t do as well as projected. Remember “de-risk” and “cost containment”? Just buzzwords for “fear”. He feared any reaction that would have been negative for acknowledging SotS even existed, which is why he hid it.

I didn't realize Iger was the first CEO to hide SoTS.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I didn't realize Iger was the first CEO to hide SoTS.

Eisner chose not to allow SotS to be shown in full in the USA, but was fine with international releases and excerpts in things like the Sing-Along videos and DVD bonus features. 2000 was the last UK video release of the whole movie and 2001 was the last pressing of the Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah Sing Along video with Uncle Remus on the cover in the US (first released in 1986).

It was after Iger became CEO that the company instituted its blanked ban on the movie, refusing it be released in any country.