Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[Brer Oswald]

I agree with the bolded. But how many parents would discuss slavery and its aftermath with their children after showing them a Disney movie? The Disney brand just isn't associated with such controversial topics, and for good reason.

But SotS isn’t about Slavery.

 

[LittleBuford]

But SotS isn’t about Slavery.

Which is why I wrote "and its aftermath". The film is set on a plantation. All the Black characters (apart from the youngest children) are recently freed slaves, still working on the land and in the house of their former mistress, and still treating her with slavish deference.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Which is why I wrote "and its aftermath". The film is set on a plantation. All the Black characters (apart from the youngest children) are recently freed slaves, still working on the land and in the house of their former mistress, and still treating her with slavish deference.

Young children wouldn't realize that's what they were looking at. They have no frame of reference in their minds to relate the live scenes in the film to slavery.

 

[manmythlegend]

I agree with the bolded. But how many parents would discuss slavery and its aftermath with their children after showing them a Disney movie? The Disney brand just isn't associated with such controversial topics, and for good reason.

Adults means any adult which could involve teachers and educators at schools that will no doubt cover the topic of slavery.

Listen if a 6 year old watches SotS, a parent doesn't need to immediately address slavery with the 6 year old. They can cover it a later time when the child has a stronger ability to fully understand the subject.

 

[LittleBuford]

Young children wouldn't realize that's what they were looking at. They have no frame of reference in their minds to relate the live scenes in the film to slavery.

That is a problem rather than a good thing.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

That is a problem rather than a good thing.

How so? If anything, I would think that young children are oblivious to the fact that slavery ever existed in the US means that we've been heading in the right direction for long enough that new generations aren't aware of it at all until they're taught about it, rather than seeing it and recognizing it because that's what they see every day.

 

[Phil12]

You can repeat this over and over and over and it still won't be true. FYI, OLC has told Bobby to pound sand so even if Iger scraps Splash in the U.S., his woke dream of completely distancing Disney from Splash and SotS won't be happening anytime soon. Sorry.

In reality you're talking about cultural differences between Japan and the USA. James Baskett wasn't prohibited from the premier of the movie in which he stared in Japan nor did the movie feature freed Japanese slaves. No need for Bobby to change the attraction in Japan. And that gives all of the fans who love the current version an excuse to visit Tokyo Disneyland! Problem solved.

 

[LittleBuford]

Adults means any adult which could involve teachers and educators at schools that will no doubt cover the topic of slavery.

Listen if a 6 year old watches SotS, a parent doesn't need to immediately address slavery with the 6 year old. They can cover it a later time when the child has a stronger ability to fully understand the subject.

I just don't see what would be gained by reintroducing the film into the canon. Adults who wish to see it can easily find it on the internet. What's the point in showing it to a child?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I just don't see what would be gained by reintroducing the film into the canon. Adults who wish to see it can easily find it on the internet. What's the point in showing it to a child?

Actually, YouTube has it censored in the US. We can only view a few short scenes unless we go on a deep web dive and want to risk a virus or malware.

 

[Brer Oswald]

In reality you're talking about cultural differences between Japan and the USA. James Baskett wasn't prohibited from the premier of the movie in which he stared in Japan nor did the movie feature freed Japanese slaves. No need for Bobby to change the attraction in Japan. And that gives all of the fans who love the current version an excuse to visit Tokyo Disneyland! Problem solved.

I...wha...alright.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Actually, YouTube has it censored in the US. We can only view a few short scenes unless we go on a deep web dive and want to risk a virus or malware.

It’s on archive.org. No Malware risk (to my knowledge).

I just don't see what would be gained by reintroducing the film into the canon. Adults who wish to see it can easily find it on the internet. What's the point in showing it to a child?

I’d like to see it in the best quality possible. I also think the messages in the Brer Rabbit tales are pretty good. Growing up as the “Little Guy”, I was always picked on by the bigger, brawnier kids. Similarly, Brer Rabbit finds himself in bad situations with the bigger animals, but he uses his wit to get out of it every time. A morale of brain over brawn. I wish I had access to these stories as a kid. But even knowing them now, the character means a lot to me personally cause I can relate to him.

 

[LittleBuford]

How so? If anything, I would think that young children are oblivious to the fact that slavery ever existed in the US means that we've been heading in the right direction for long enough that new generations aren't aware of it at all until they're taught about it, rather than seeing it and recognizing it because that's what they see every day.

I think children should learn their history (including the less savoury aspects) well before their teens. German children first start learning about the Holocaust before the age of ten.

 

[LittleBuford]

I’d like to see it in the best quality possible. I also think the messages in the Brer Rabbit tales are pretty good. Growing up as the “Little Guy”, I was always picked on by the bigger, brawnier kids. Similarly, Brer Rabbit finds himself in bad situations with the bigger animals, but he uses his wit to get out of it every time. A morale of brain over brawn. I wish I had access to these stories as a kid. But even knowing them now, the character means a lot to me personally cause I can relate to him.

As I've written before, I greatly admire the animated sequences and wish they could be reframed somehow. But the film as a whole isn't worth saving.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

As I've written before, I greatly admire the animated sequences and wish they could be reframed somehow. But the film as a whole isn't worth saving.

I could get onboard with a reframing of the animated sequences.

 

[Phil12]

It's not... but let's all just get along. Just like the end of SotS.


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I see you chose the still frame of the "Magical Negro" walking with the children into the sunset. I hope you understand that you're making my point here.

Magical Negro - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Brer Oswald]

As I've written before, I greatly admire the animated sequences and wish they could be reframed somehow. But the film as a whole isn't worth saving.

That’s fair. I wish they did too. They are by far the best parts of the film, although I greatly admire Baskett and every scene that he’s in.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I see you chose the still frame of the "Magical Negro" walking with the children into the sunset. I hope you understand that you're making my point here.

Magical Negro - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There’s a few problems with this. Remus isn’t disabled. I mean, he has a cane, but that’s because he’s older. He isn’t a janitor or a prisoner, everyone on the plantation looks up to him. He has a past, where else did the stories come from?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I see you chose the still frame of the "Magical Negro" walking with the children into the sunset. I hope you understand that you're making my point here.

Magical Negro - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That's the beauty of art - there can be more than one interpretation of it. My personal interpretation is that friendship crosses all boundaries - including age and race.

 

[Phil12]

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There’s a few problems with this. Remus isn’t disabled. I mean, he has a cane, but that’s because he’s older. He isn’t a janitor or a prisoner, everyone on the plantation looks up to him. He has a past, where else did the stories come from?

He's a former slave still living on the plantation. Also, did you read the part about discrimination?

 

[Brer Oswald]

He's a former slave still living on the plantation. Also, did you read the part about discrimination?

That’s your assumption. Not mine.