lazyboy97o
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Who said anything about being offended?
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Splash Mountain re-theme announced
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Giss Neric
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Basically to sum it up, Disneyland/Californians are mostly liberals while WDW guests are locals and tourists around the world which really don't give a ___ about the ride's past.
Disneyland fans weren't really receptive to Pixar Pier or Tower of Terror turning to Guardians.
Animaniac93-98
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It's a part of the Disney Princess brand, which is good enough for Disney.
jt04
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The traditionalists, who never want any changes, are reinforcing that trope. It is just an echo chamber on these boards and other social media. They were unhappy from the announcement that GMR was closing. Most of the reviews I have heard have been overwhelmingly positive from the 99% of casual fans that aren't really representative of the fans like you find here.
I'm just happy never to have to sit through the Oz finale again.
PS- I have been very impressed by what I have seen and heard about mmrr. Much better than I hoped for.
DubyooDeeDubyoo
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I find it weird to call Splash an "old ride". It's WDW installation is a little older than Alien Encounter, a ride which involves a lot of looking at nothing.
I wish people would stop talking past each other and misrepresenting other posters.
We have these kinds of people who like this ride. These can be ALL different people:
A People who are excited to see something new in the parks.
B People who felt Song of the South is troublesome and unnecessary part of Splash's identity.
C People who are excited to see PitF have some kind of attraction after years.
On the other side you have, again a variety of opinions that can include:
1 People who are worried the company will botch the job, whether through budget cuts or refusing to recycle beloved elements.
2 People who liked Disney's attempt to isolate the Brer characters from their source material (and it's framing device).
3 People who are disappointed that Disney is devoted to purging Song of the South enough that they would rather invest in a whole new presentation for Splash Mountain than put the film somewhere with appropriate warnings.
4 Maybe/possibly some racists who use the above points to cloak their true feelings.
I'm like an A+1/2. Around the release of Splash in the late 80s, it felt like Disney was trying to position Brer Rabbit as their sort of Bugs Bunny, which was a thing I could have easily accepted as a kid. He's one of my favorite lesser-known characters in the stable. But between the Disney Decade drenching the company in profitable new IP and their efforts to remove Rabbit/Fox/Bear from Uncle Remus seemingly dropped cold when a handful of the audience asked, "isn't that offensive?" I wish the audience had been willing to go along, as they have with a Little Mermaid whose story is a complete inversion of the fable and a Lion movie that is (even if accidentally) a clone of a Japanese cartoon from the 70s. But I'm both happy and a little scared to see the company at present try to build a quality dark ride around this flume.
There's finally Group X, which I think of as a branch of Group 4:
X. People babbling about socialism and Karl Marx as though any of this is somehow relevant
Folks, Democratic Socialism did not bring down Splash Mountain. Let's be real: Disney's desire to protect it's pocketbook did more. Disney sold 30th anniversary merchandise in Disneyland with the Brer trio on them just fifty weeks ago. The ride is probably a few years from going away, and Disney simply moved up the announcement on this thing because of the timing rather than wait until D23 or later. Epcot is sitting on the surgical table and Disney is already booking an appointment for Splash Mountain. Why? Money.
We all know Disney's still putting Tinkerbelle in stuff despite "What Makes the Red Man Red". I do expect the stereotypical natives to leave the ride but it's going to be hard to remove Tiger Lilly without abandoning the whole film, and that only happens when girls don't care who Tink is anymore. The money makes it happen.
I'm a big government, welfare state kind of guy and I enjoyed the heck out of this ride and it's been a big part of my fandom as the opening of it (and Studios to a lesser extent) built my interest in the parks. I'm interested in what they plan to do the ride, but I'm also happy I have the memories of the ride that's leaving. I'm glad it happened and got to run for approximately three decades.
Brer Panther
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It hasn't made everyone happy. As this thread shows, it just made people who like Splash Mountain depressed and people who hate Splash Mountain annoyed at the people who are depressed. Nobody's happy.
If they did that, they could ship all the America Sings characters they won't be using in Disneyland's retheme to Florida so we can put 'em in Disney World's Splash Mountain as opposed to simply trashing them like the Universe of Energy and Great Movie Ride animatronics.
erasure fan1
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They don't have to announce it because it's implied in my opinion. If you are removing the ride because of the ties, you remove ALL the ties. If not, what was the point?
Kate F
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It’s not like people are going to forget any of this anyway. People are gonna know what was there before.
Father Robinson
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I was saying it wouldn't make everyone happy to retheme it, even if that something is less controversial. The person I was saying that to said something to the effect of (these kind of changes make it a better experience for everyone).
Bairstow
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To showcase a ride produced by a black woman based on a film starring a black female character?
erasure fan1
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Exactly. They will also know why it's not there anymore. So having merch and songs playing, and Jiminy cricket telling everyone to have a zip a de do dah day, would be a bit hypocritical.
Kate F
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I vaguely remember when I was 9 years old, before my first trip in 2005, we had an Unofficial Guide to WDW, and in the Splash Mountain section, there was a little excerpt off to the side that talked about how Disney excluded a character called “Uncle Remus” to avoid offending African-Americans. At the time I had no idea who Uncle Remus was. Prior to that though, there was a piano book that had the Br’er trio on the cover and they were probably the only characters on the cover I didn’t recognize. And of course, Zip-a-dee-do-dah was on our Disney CDs. When I first rode Splash, I was like, “So that song doesn’t come from nothing!”
Now having been familiar with the ride before the movie, I had no qualms that I didn’t recognize the characters beforehand. If anything, it made them more intriguing to me. Then later on I watched the animated segments on YouTube, and rather than being turned off, my enjoyment for the characters grew and it made me think of how underappreciated they were. I’ve always thought that they should do something else with them if SotS is too taboo because I found them to be really humorous animated characters. But nope, just sweep all of that under the rug and pretend none of it ever happened even though that’s impossible in the digital age.
That's just my personal experience with the property of course and I am not at all claiming to represent the entire Splash fanbase. I understand how some people might be bothered by it because of its source, but at the end of the day, I disagree with this decision and think that there are other solutions.
Now having been familiar with the ride before the movie, I had no qualms that I didn’t recognize the characters beforehand. If anything, it made them more intriguing to me. Then later on I watched the animated segments on YouTube, and rather than being turned off, my enjoyment for the characters grew and it made me think of how underappreciated they were. I’ve always thought that they should do something else with them if SotS is too taboo because I found them to be really humorous animated characters. But nope, just sweep all of that under the rug and pretend none of it ever happened even though that’s impossible in the digital age.
That's just my personal experience with the property of course and I am not at all claiming to represent the entire Splash fanbase. I understand how some people might be bothered by it because of its source, but at the end of the day, I disagree with this decision and think that there are other solutions.
Kate F
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They also sing the song in the Welcome show on the castle stage.
erasure fan1
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Not sure what you're asking but the conversation was about not using song of the south references in the parks after the ride is gone.
No Name
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Everythjng related to Song of the South will be going away, that includes the song and characters. They don’t have to say it for it to be plainly obvious.
THEMEPARKPIONEER
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I know it exists, all forms of hatred and discrimination exists. Changing a ride do to all this is insanity. The elements that may be racist in the movie are nowhere to be found on the ride. Its Bear Rabbits story. None of the live action characters are featured in that ride at all.
manmythlegend
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SuddenStorm
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Kinda like what they should have done for Galaxy's Edge- before building the exact same land on both coasts and announcing a third iteration oversees?
SuddenStorm
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