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Splash Mountain re-theme announced

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orlandogal22

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21stamps said:
I don’t watch Disney bloggers so I have no idea. Anyone with a name like “NegroOrlando” and such hateful content would be someone to especially stay away from.
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I've stopped regularly watching Disney vloggers, save for a random video here or there. It's all such repetitive content.
 
ImperfectPixie

ImperfectPixie

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orlandogal22 said:
This Shawn guy... I wonder if he ever rode Splash Mountain and enjoyed himself as he rode it over the years.

Or, to the contrary, if he's always been this passionately offended by it.

If the latter, I'd take him more seriously.

I get people can evolve their thoughts and beliefs over time, but I think it's to the *level* of supposed outrage that I'm seeing some folks display re: SM's existence that I find disingenuous.
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He sounds like a typical social media bully...they create a circle of friends and attack anyone who doesn't agree with them...sometimes even those within the circle.

Sounds kind of familiar, doesn't it?
 
Chi84

Chi84

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Flugell said:
Please forgive me, I’m trying to read my way through this thread and am currently on page 138! It seems to be growing faster than I can read and I’m a quick reader but just wanted to add my ideas from what I’ve surmised so far.
Far from seeing 2 opposing views I think there are three and can appreciate all of them.
1. The people of all diversities who accept that Splash Mountain needs to be eradicated because of the long established connection to the film Song of the South and the unacceptable view of African Americans as portrayed in that film.
2. The people of all diversities who wish to retain Splash Mountain as a truly great ride and feel that the connection to the film is tenuous because of the way the ride has been imagined.
3. The people of all diversities who acknowledge the racist overtones within the ride but feel that retaining it, with education about the historical context of the story and the celebration of the African American oral story telling culture, could be of more benefit to people of all diversities in giving a greater understanding of the past and what needs to change going forward.
In my opinion each have some merit though given a choice I’d vote for number 3!
I have never seen Princess and the Frog (I’m 62 years old so a little old for Princess movies) but feel that the idea of replacing a racially sensitive ride with a “token” black princess could be regarded as patronising. Think- we’ve got rid of Song of the South and given “them” (the public) Tiana, that should stop the moaning for a bit. Or maybe I’m just old and twisted but feel that Disney’s first black Princess deserves better than to be a band aid over the problematical Splash Mountain.
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I can't be sure, but I doubt the membership of this site is all that diverse. Even without regard to racial makeup, these boards tend to skew older and wealthier, and the attitudes and comments will reflect that. Your post is very thoughtful, but from what I've seen here, there are also people of "no diversity" who can't understand why Disney would re-theme this ride simply to be more inclusive, and they fear losing even more going forward.
 
21stamps

21stamps

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Chi84 said:
I can't be sure, but I doubt the membership of this site is all that diverse. Even without regard to racial makeup, these boards tend to skew older and wealthier, and the attitudes and comments will reflect that. Your post is very thoughtful, but from what I've seen here, there are also people of "no diversity" who can't understand why Disney would re-theme this ride simply to be more inclusive, and they fear losing even more going forward.
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Wait, “older and wealthier” = lack of diversity?
 
Incomudro

Incomudro

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Flugell said:
Please forgive me, I’m trying to read my way through this thread and am currently on page 138! It seems to be growing faster than I can read and I’m a quick reader but just wanted to add my ideas from what I’ve surmised so far.
Far from seeing 2 opposing views I think there are three and can appreciate all of them.
1. The people of all diversities who accept that Splash Mountain needs to be eradicated because of the long established connection to the film Song of the South and the unacceptable view of African Americans as portrayed in that film.
2. The people of all diversities who wish to retain Splash Mountain as a truly great ride and feel that the connection to the film is tenuous because of the way the ride has been imagined.
3. The people of all diversities who acknowledge the racist overtones within the ride but feel that retaining it, with education about the historical context of the story and the celebration of the African American oral story telling culture, could be of more benefit to people of all diversities in giving a greater understanding of the past and what needs to change going forward.
In my opinion each have some merit though given a choice I’d vote for number 3!
I have never seen Princess and the Frog (I’m 62 years old so a little old for Princess movies) but feel that the idea of replacing a racially sensitive ride with a “token” black princess could be regarded as patronising. Think- we’ve got rid of Song of the South and given “them” (the public) Tiana, that should stop the moaning for a bit. Or maybe I’m just old and twisted but feel that Disney’s first black Princess deserves better than to be a band aid over the problematical Splash Mountain.
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Good post, but I take exception with the term "problematical Splash Mountain."
The film is a problem for some.
The attraction of Splash Mountain itself is not "problematical" at all. (I really hate the term problematic.)
The problem where it exists for some - is the attractions connection to the film.
 
Chi84

Chi84

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21stamps said:
Wait, “older and wealthier” = lack of diversity?
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In a sense, yes. I don't think Disney was aiming the re-theme at its older guests who have the means to visit Disney frequently enough to become emotionally attached to the rides. I believe they're aiming at a younger demographic.
 
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celluloid

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I don’t think you understand how songs are written. It would be like, they need a song that would sound like something of the era of Reconstruction or before. They see this song and take from “Zip-a-Duden” and give it their own spin to avoid straight up plagiarism. They put a happy spin on it because that’s what they’re trying to do. They may even be trying to take something bad and make something good out of it.

But my point is simply people don’t generally use that terminology by happy coincidence and it makes perfect sense in the context of having to write a song for the movie.

You can give them bonus points if you think they were trying to make something good out of something bad. If that makes you feel better. But that’s what this ride was also trying to do.
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Really reaching here with that one. Conjecture.
"High Ho" sung by The Seven Dwarfs is clearly a song about prostitution And belittling women.
A Pineapple Dole Whip must be correlated to the slur Pineapple, it really was once a racial Slurs, and whipping must mean the abuse of a person as property. Every word or sound has been corrupted at one point or another. It does not demonize the use when someone's intentions are. It bad. The same way you saying Ho Ho Ho as Santa does not make it bad because your intent is not.
Ever hear of Scat? There are words and sounds people sing. Zip is a sound.
The racial points or issues keep changing folks. They are really reaching. The same way DIck Can D yke or anyone else does not have to feel guilty with that name just because some before or after.perverted it.
If you hear.me singing Doo is Doobie doo, if is not be singing of marijuana.
 
Flugell

Flugell

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Incomudro said:
Good post, but I take exception with the term "problematical Splash Mountain."
The film is a problem for some.
The attraction of Splash Mountain itself is not "problematical" at all. (I really hate the term problematic.)
The problem where it exists for some - is the attractions connection to the film.
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I agree that the use of the term problematical was less than clear. My intention is that it was problematical to Disney. I’m not keen on the word either but couldn’t think of another neutral type word. It was in fact problematical to me!!! Please don’t be cross!!
 
Chi84

Chi84

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21stamps said:
Oh, I definitely think this was aimed at the young social media hashtag crowd.
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That's possible, but no one knows for certain. Disney as a company has tended to be more progressive and inclusive than most. They were industry leaders in accommodating the disabled even before the ADA required it.

Disney probably employs people whose sole job is to look to the future and predict how these changes will affect its customer base (and profits) down the line.
 
Phil12

Phil12

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Chi84 said:
That's possible, but no one knows for certain. Disney as a company has tended to be more progressive and inclusive than most. They were industry leaders in accommodating the disabled even before the ADA required it.

Disney probably employs people whose sole job is to look to the future and predict how these changes will affect its customer base (and profits) down the line.
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21stamps

21stamps

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Chi84 said:
That's possible, but no one knows for certain. Disney as a company has tended to be more progressive and inclusive than most. They were industry leaders in accommodating the disabled even before the ADA required it.

Disney probably employs people whose sole job is to look to the future and predict how these changes will affect its customer base (and profits) down the line.
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All I know for certain is that every company is bending over backwards to show how aware and inclusive they are, with mostly superficial actions. Those superficial actions get loud cheers, and nothing really changes. I’d like to see a bit more meaningful change... but that doesn’t come as easily as a statement, photo, or re-theming a ride.
 
Animaniac93-98

Animaniac93-98

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Flugell said:
the idea of replacing a racially sensitive ride with a “token” black princess could be regarded as patronising. Think- we’ve got rid of Song of the South and given “them” (the public) Tiana, that should stop the moaning for a bit. Or maybe I’m just old and twisted but feel that Disney’s first black Princess deserves better than to be a band aid over the problematical Splash Mountain.
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It's absolutely patronizing, especially when you know this is ultimately about marketing the parks, selling tickets and toys. Disney is trying to spin anger over racial injustice into something profitable, with a minimum of effort on their part.

Disney is kidding themselves if they think this will end any controversy over the ride. Especially if the makeover is done on the cheap.
 
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