ddbowdoin
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An example in 2020 of a black character being played by a white person???
aside from Robert Downey Jr in a roll that would never be allowed in today’s woke world.
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aside from Robert Downey Jr in a roll that would never be allowed in today’s woke world.
disneygeek90
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Literally the post I originally quoted already referenced them. There's been at least 3 stepping back this week.
Mike Henry playing a black character on the Simpsons
Jenny Slate playing a black character on Big Mouth
Kristen Bell playing a black character on Central Park
And does that mean that Bart Simpson should be voiced at least by an adult male? To be honest, without those characters in The Simpsons, you do not have The Simpsons. It would seem the issue would be less with who is Voice ACTING but the hateful nature in which the character is portrayed. (Apu etc...)
disneygeek90
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Is there a lack of adult males playing as adult males represented on TV?
ddbowdoin
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voice actors... . I’ll make sure to demand justice the next time Christian Bale plays an American actor. How dare he! So you’re assuming that black voices have to fit a stereotype? sounds awfully racist ,tisk tisk
Arguably a lack of healthy ones, but that is a different subject.
Getting the correct gender or skin tone/sexual orientation to portray is not where that is changed. The key word in voice Acting would be ACTING. If the impersonation is not meant to be hateful, than it would exist.
Otherwise, one should be just as offended as the Scottish character Groundskeeper Willie should be voiced by an actual Scottsman. There are definitely not a lot of Scottsman portrayls on television or in movies in the US produced shows.
What about old people? Take the same show. Grandpa Simpson, Hans Moleman. Age would have the same argument in the representation point. Why don't people act their own age in cartoons? Obviously children would not be common as labor laws and environments that prevent them from schooling like acting does, but there are plenty of older adults auditioning who do not get to voice those older characters that are certainly all over the place voiced by the young men and women. Your logic seems flawed.
21stamps
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Tom Sawyer is not banned anywhere, as far as I know. The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn is banned in several places.
Equally terrible, but I just wanted to make the distinction.
Then again, this crazy world could ban Tom too.. so I could be wrong.
Model3 McQueen
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PSA: Stop being offended by everything. Stop cancel culture. Change the future, not the past.
Father Robinson
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Demarke
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Br’er Rabbit is a tale that has existed for hundreds of years, dating back to West Africa and through oral tradition of generations in the bonds of slavery. It was a tale rooted in empowerment and hope for getting by, it was about a sly rabbit outwitting authority figures and those that wished him harm. It may be unfortunate to be incorporated in Song of the South, but it exists independently of that movie and the ride makes no mention of the problematic aspects. The Br’er Rabbit tales predate Disney by hundreds of years and has continued to be used outside of Disney (there was a Nick Cannon movie in 2006). Cancelling this important story because contemporary Twitter mobs can’t separate it from another part that hasn’t been seen in decades is doing a disservice and burying an important part of history and African-American storytelling tradition. Condemning traditional African folklore for sharing the screen with Song of the South would be like condemning Sleepy Hollow if America turned on Mr. Toad.
So, now that we are cancelling African folklore, what are we replacing it with? A European fairytale with races switched and an element where the African Americans are tormented by voodoo and witch doctors. That sounds more questionable to me and, on top of everything, this will likely be a cheap overlay rather than a new, innovative ride that many believe Princess and the Frog deserves.
Perhaps a better option would be to save the money of an overlay and add an exhibit to the queue of Splash Mountain about the roots of traditional African American storytelling and its importance. Turn it empowering and free the narrative from the connection to Song of the South. Br’er Rabbit remains a tale that needs telling.
So, now that we are cancelling African folklore, what are we replacing it with? A European fairytale with races switched and an element where the African Americans are tormented by voodoo and witch doctors. That sounds more questionable to me and, on top of everything, this will likely be a cheap overlay rather than a new, innovative ride that many believe Princess and the Frog deserves.
Perhaps a better option would be to save the money of an overlay and add an exhibit to the queue of Splash Mountain about the roots of traditional African American storytelling and its importance. Turn it empowering and free the narrative from the connection to Song of the South. Br’er Rabbit remains a tale that needs telling.
orlandogal22
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Bart's an adult male?
ddbowdoin
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People seem to forget we live in a free and open society. People have every right to be offended and every right to offend. There’s a whole slew of people trying to dictate what other free people can or can’t do, can or can’t say, can or can’t wear / eat / etc.
Im a photographer , I see a lot of crap work... I just don’t consume it. It’s oddly satisfying watch people eat their own. The art word is ablaze, “progressives” telling other creatives what is and what isn’t allowed.
the irony.
Im a photographer , I see a lot of crap work... I just don’t consume it. It’s oddly satisfying watch people eat their own. The art word is ablaze, “progressives” telling other creatives what is and what isn’t allowed.
the irony.
disneygeek90
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No, but I think his point was that Bart should be voiced by a male because he is a male.
Randy Newman, the writer of the soundtrack songs for Princess and The Frog has these lyrics:
In Jungletown
All the ---- bo*gies--- in the street
Radios turned up very loud
Playin' Dancing Queen
They love our music
This English girl from the North somewhere
Is stayin' with me at my place
Drinkin' up all my beer
Talkin' about the poor ---n*ggers--- all the time
It's a real disgrace, she says
I tell her, Darling, don't talk about things
You don't understand
I tell her, Darling, don't talk about something
You don't know anything about
I tell her, -----Darling, if you don't like it here
Go back to your own miserable country----
It's Christmas in Cape Town but it ain't the same
Oh, the boys on the beach are still blowin'
And the summer wind still kicks the clouds around
You know my little brother, babe
Well, he works out at the diamond mine
I drove him out there at five…
Two racial slurs in one song from the man whose music is going to be in this ride. There is no ruse to hide with Satire in the same climate that cannot hide voice actors in satire or things canceled that are meant to teach a lesson without intended hate.
In Jungletown
All the ---- bo*gies--- in the street
Radios turned up very loud
Playin' Dancing Queen
They love our music
This English girl from the North somewhere
Is stayin' with me at my place
Drinkin' up all my beer
Talkin' about the poor ---n*ggers--- all the time
It's a real disgrace, she says
I tell her, Darling, don't talk about things
You don't understand
I tell her, Darling, don't talk about something
You don't know anything about
I tell her, -----Darling, if you don't like it here
Go back to your own miserable country----
It's Christmas in Cape Town but it ain't the same
Oh, the boys on the beach are still blowin'
And the summer wind still kicks the clouds around
You know my little brother, babe
Well, he works out at the diamond mine
I drove him out there at five…
Two racial slurs in one song from the man whose music is going to be in this ride. There is no ruse to hide with Satire in the same climate that cannot hide voice actors in satire or things canceled that are meant to teach a lesson without intended hate.
21stamps
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You can’t make sense of it. We’re supposed to pretend that a majority isn’t a majority after all.
Phil12
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Historical background behind "Zip A Dee Doo Dah" - Behind the Music
This seemingly nonsense song has a lot of baggage packed into its brief stanzas. Disney won an Oscar for it but never made much money from the film.
www.behind-the-music.com
This song was performed by a white man in blackface. The objective was to ridicule and draw attention to the inferiority of the black race while simultaneously championing the superiority of the white race:
*her*
disneygeek90
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Oops, my mistake. Apologies.
21stamps
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Historical background behind "Zip A Dee Doo Dah" - Behind the Music
This seemingly nonsense song has a lot of baggage packed into its brief stanzas. Disney won an Oscar for it but never made much money from the film.
This song was performed by a white man in blackface. The objective was to ridicule and draw attention to the inferiority of the black race while simultaneously championing the superiority of the white race:
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