AdventureHasAName
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The company has had a disdain for its customers for at least 20 years.
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Splash Mountain re-theme announced
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The company has had a disdain for its customers for at least 20 years.
seabreezept813
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Write letters and call... it might personalize what one feels when signing the petition.
_caleb
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Sorry if I wasn’t clear. People are saying (and have been saying) that the association of the ride to the film is hurtful. When I hear people say that, I want to ask them why they find it hurtful rather than insist that it’s not just because it wasn’t hurtful to me.
It’s not true that there were ”literally no complaints until the past month.” It might be true that you never heard any complaints until the past month.
Several people here have articulated what they find hurtful about the ride’s connection to the film. When they say these things, I find that I can either shout them down or listen.
_caleb
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That’s what I thought. And what concerns me.
1986 was more than 30 years ago, right? And the film wasn’t widely released on DVD, was it? They routinely issue copyright claims on Song of the South segments on YouTube in an effort to keep it from public view. They made extensive changes to the story of the film to the story of the ride in an attempt to distinguish one from the other. Seems like distancing to me.
In the absence of many specific details on the project and due to its polarizing nature, this original thread is mostly a political/social debate, which is best served in the Politics/Social section of the forum. In its original location in News & Rumors it became impossible to moderate within the no-political discussion rule that we have in place (see Terms and rules).
The new thread will serve as the ongoing thread for discussion of the attraction retheme. ANY political/social commentary will be deleted and the poster will be banned from taking any further part.
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The new thread will serve as the ongoing thread for discussion of the attraction retheme. ANY political/social commentary will be deleted and the poster will be banned from taking any further part.
News - Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - attraction discussion only
The original announcement of the Splash Mountain to Princess and the Frog thread is now available in the 'Politics and Social Issues' forum at https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/splash-mountain-re-theme-announced.965846/unread In the absence of many specific details on the project and due to...
seabreezept813
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So when we lose three caballeros, will we lose Donald by association.. that seems to be how far we’re willing to make connections
and to be honest we love PATF in my house, always have.. but what I’m equally frustrated is that Disney won’t invest to give this film it’s own appropriate ride. It’s like giving someone a used toy instead of a new one. It’s just half-hearted, which is what I imagine this whole redo will be.. with so many animatronics and beautiful songs gone...
and to be honest we love PATF in my house, always have.. but what I’m equally frustrated is that Disney won’t invest to give this film it’s own appropriate ride. It’s like giving someone a used toy instead of a new one. It’s just half-hearted, which is what I imagine this whole redo will be.. with so many animatronics and beautiful songs gone...
John park hopper
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Lets not stop there Epcot needs a cleansing --Japanese pavilion insult to all military veterans --Bataan death march, thousands of POW's killed in slave labor camps (starvation, disease, overwork). China and Germany we all know about that, Great Britain (colonial Empire), France as well colonialists. Point is there is not a nation or people on this planet who have a spotless record
Father Robinson
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Exactly what I've been saying. Dry that one out you could fertilize your lawn!
And what pray tell was the reason for the secrecy? How long were we aware that a replacement for Illuminations was coming? I'll tell you..over a decade. With how easy it is to share information nowadays, I don't buy for a second that this was some big hush hush event that they couldn't let slip out...until of course they had a drawing to prove it.
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Father Robinson
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If all these people that claim to have all these deep seeded issues with the ride's (association) with racism, why have they gone to WDW and ridden it and spent hard earned $ on a company that supposedly hides racism in their rides? And assuming that by now they've already been made aware of the ride's connection with the controversial film.
disneygeek90
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The same reason that many that disagree strongly with JK Rowling and her recent comments regarding gender/sex still enjoy the Harry Potter franchise. Humans aren’t perfect and it’s easy to dissociate with things you don’t like in order to protect the things you do.
Chi84
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Disney rises to the occasion better than most companies, which is what we're seeing here. I don't think this decision was made based on a petition, nor do I think petitions will stop the company from going through with what they see as the right thing.
People who go to Disney do so because that's the type of vacation experience they love. No single attraction (unless it's a new attraction with a fan base, which is a good thing for Disney) is going to impact that decision and Disney well knows it. You can write and call all you want, but the bottom line is that except for an insignificant few, no one is going to forgo a Disney vacation simply because they re-themed a ride. Most won't know or care about what happens or bother to ask why. I'm not talking about the people who care enough to post on this thread, but we are a very, very small number of the guests who visit WDW. Disney absolutely does care about its image - but the image it is seeking to project is not necessarily the image some people here want to see. Disney is choosing to align with people who want to see a different image, one not rooted in the past.
For the record, I doubt anyone had deep-seated issues with the ride's theme. That is no reason to keep it forever.
Father Robinson
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This is all well and good and I agree, however that is not what I was asking at all.
Father Robinson
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If you don't like it, don't ride it. Simple.
disneygeek90
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It's actually quite opposite of simple. I think the last 200 pages has showed that. There's a lot of strong emotions on both side, but it's mostly a lot trying to consider both perspectives and be open minded.
21stamps
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This doesn’t really make sense in relation to the situation being discussed. What JK Rowling says on social media or an interview, is personal views. Having nothing to do with the content of the books themselves.
In the Splash Mountain event, the claimed offensive part is directly the ride itself, in your face, at the park. Not something Walt Disney or Bob Iger said in a tweet.
disneygeek90
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Humans aren’t perfect and it’s easy to dissociate things you don’t like in order to protect the things you do.
Brer Oswald
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While I’m in adamant disagreement with the rationale for this replacement, I can at least appreciate that most people on here, on both sides of the arguement, can argue rationally.
On Twitter, most of the Disney fans have absolutely no willpower to think critically. “It’s bad because they told me it is! And you’re bad if you’re against it cause it’s BAD!”
If this is the criteria we’re going for, this will only be the beginning. Stereotypes are in so many Disney films because the entertainment industry itself is filled with stereotypes. Offensive jokes and dark humour don’t have much place in today’s world, so I’m sorry Mansion fans, but even that is at risk for some changes.
You’ve got time though. Peter Pan, Jungle Cruise, And CBJ are next. Liverlips McGrowl? Yikes, how did that outlast Splash? Well, guess it won’t for much longer. Dumbo’s Circus...the tents were pitched by slaves in the movie. Are they the same tents in the land? No, but they’re guilty by association. Aladdin has a few decades, although the live action film will help it.
Mickey is safe though. Like people have said, he has enough unoffensive material to work with. Even though he did do blackface a few times.
On Twitter, most of the Disney fans have absolutely no willpower to think critically. “It’s bad because they told me it is! And you’re bad if you’re against it cause it’s BAD!”
If this is the criteria we’re going for, this will only be the beginning. Stereotypes are in so many Disney films because the entertainment industry itself is filled with stereotypes. Offensive jokes and dark humour don’t have much place in today’s world, so I’m sorry Mansion fans, but even that is at risk for some changes.
You’ve got time though. Peter Pan, Jungle Cruise, And CBJ are next. Liverlips McGrowl? Yikes, how did that outlast Splash? Well, guess it won’t for much longer. Dumbo’s Circus...the tents were pitched by slaves in the movie. Are they the same tents in the land? No, but they’re guilty by association. Aladdin has a few decades, although the live action film will help it.
Mickey is safe though. Like people have said, he has enough unoffensive material to work with. Even though he did do blackface a few times.
Davy's part in the November 3, 1813 Indian massacre of Tallussahatchee Indians isn't going to go over very well. Considering in his own words, “we now shot them like dogs; and then set the house on fire, and burned it up with the forty-six warriors in it.” I think to play it save we need to stay away from any historical figures that actually existed because you'll find some group to take offense of them. Remember this is a time when you've got people wanting to tear down statues of George Washington and Lincoln... It is only a matter of time until the woke warriors try to one up the Taliban that blew up the ancient Gautama Buddha statues by blowing up Mt Rushmore.Yes! Davy Crockett would fit better, considering the themed area at MK. (Edit - though, in reality, I'm against the SM change)
Do you remember the Explorer Canoes at MK that you'd row? They were so fun. One of my most favorite memories.
Davy Crockett Explorer Canoes - Wikipedia
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