Splash Mountain re-theme announced

lazyboy97o

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Yeah, I don't know how retheming to a story developed by two older white guys based on another white guy's fairy tale really helps address the serious injustices and inequities within your community in a meaningful way. I'm sorry.
It’s okay, they brought in an old white man to serve as a creative consultant and be a major public face for the project. As a creative consultant, this white man will help the teams develop the project and it will be presented to the white men who are the creative leads for the respective parks and the white man who is the president of their creative organization. Ultimately they will seek the final creative approval from the white men who serve as CEO and Executive Chairman. After this, the project teams must remember that their ideas are not worthwhile and they must only use ideas that come from an industry that is itself far too dominated by toxic and abusive white men.
 

MMFanCipher

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I wonder if the people who say Song of the South is a racist movie have seen it? Or are you just repeating what someone else said. I have seen the movie and have read Who's afraid of the Song of the South. I found the book very interesting. I also found that the former slaves in the movie to be the heros and the wise people. While the white people were the villains or clueless. I enjoyed the songs from the movie. And I think many people forget that James Baskett, Uncle Remus, won an Oscar for his performance in the movie. He was the first African-American male to win an Oscar. Even Whoopie Goldberg has said that Song of the South should be released so that we can talk about the issue, but the Disney company as usual puts it's head in the sand. If you have a problem with Song of the South or Gone with the Wind you will have a problem with 90% of the movies made before 1960. Should those also be removed? I will be sorry to see it go, but I knew the current management would take the easy way out instead of talking about it. Another classic is removed. I've heard that HOP, COP and American Adventure are being looked at too. I hope they stay but with the cancel culture being strong right now I don't know. Well I've rambled on long enough. As someone else says 'Be excellent to each other.'
 

atighe42

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Is there any indication yet what kind of budget this will get?

That's my biggest concern; that it will end up like Frozen Ever After or Little Mermaid and be a lesser experience than currently exists (also am afraid it will rely heavily on screens and projections, which would make it a far lesser experience).
I read somewhere on twitter that the number $50 Mill was thrown around.
 

Brer Oswald

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I'm an African American and I am very upset with this. Instead of Disney ADMITTING their mistake with SOTS, Instead of trying to rectify what has been done and re-introduce the Brer Animals in a new take that honors Black Culture and History...they choose to double down on acting like it never happen..which I find appalling and even more offensive than it's existence

And in ADDITION TO THAT, now the stories of the Brer Characters now will fade back into extreme obscurity. Only to live in memory. The amount of people who don't know the history of theses characters is sad, yet will be the first to spring up on what should be done with them. Disney had the power to fix this, to move from their past in a way that doesn't hide it. The amount of non-black people that decided to speak up for me is another thing I have noticed since the discussion began. Stop.

These folklore tales really meant a lot to me, They were what helped me get through some pretty rough patches in my life, I saw the trickster hero overcoming and outsmarting his oppressors. In a way, I found-myself in them, it connects me to my ancestors as a storyteller and a writer myself. I know I am in a minority when I say the characters and Disney's take on them should be preserved and then retooled. But I know now that my voice does not matter. I admittedly enjoyed Disney's take on them specifically how they were told in a quick-paced Loony tunes style and being animated in Disney's house look. However that is all I can say as I don't care for the film and agree that it is insensitive/offensive.....

I have heard people talking about Zip **** and other things as reasons why Splash is offensive and must go. but those are things Disney CAN CHANGE, if Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah offends some people, sure that means the removal of what some people call a "classic" song.. by all means write a new song. The Brer voices offend you (despite Splash not really containing this other than like, 1 phrase by Brer Bear in the rabbit trap) then Re-record them or edit it out...

But no, they chose what was easy..and it is sad.

I love PATF, one of my favorite Disney flicks. I love Tiana, the rep was nice..but this hurts..It is different from people using the "erasing history" trope people dish out..because in this particular case that is what's happening as we KNOW Disney will continue to act as if the film and their myriad of offensive mistakes never existed. It is one thing not to praise past transgressions, but the literal erasure such as this is not the way to go.

My ancestor's folklore and stories deserved a second chance. Instead we chose to throw it away. That's fine..I'll live.

I am sorry for typing up a large vent everyone, I got a little carried away..
I recommend you share this everywhere you can. My opinion on this topic is beyond meaningless. But yours should be at the forefront. I’m devastated for myself, but infuriated for you.

I love the music, but if the music is offensive, change the music.
If the dialect is offensive, re-record the dialogue.
Redesign the characters.

But don’t bury the story. Don’t cower from your mistakes.
 

orlandogal22

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I think it should be noted that it was fairly obvious I was talking about here, in our shared environment.
You originally said "nobody," so no, it wasn't fairly obvious.

Either way, people who are sticking up for the ride on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram are being called any number of hateful terms, including racist.
 

Bairstow

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Yet, if we are to go by this current way of dealing with the issue, Mickey as a whole should be retired. I don’t agree with it, but if we go by one, we go by all.
You sure it has to be a situation of absolutes?
It can't be that some media is kinda racially insensitive, and some media is irredeemably racially insensitive?
It has to be perfect or not at all?
No middle ground?
 

Tony Perkis

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You originally said "nobody," so no, it wasn't fairly obvious.

Either way, people who are sticking up for the ride on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram are being called any number of hateful terms, including racist.
Well then let me clarify for you: I was speaking regarding this forum.
 

BrerCountry

Active Member
I recommend you share this everywhere you can. My opinion on this topic is beyond meaningless. But yours should be at the forefront. I’m devastated for myself, but infuriated for you.

I love the music, but if the music is offensive, change the music.
If the dialect is offensive, re-record the dialogue.
Redesign the characters.

But don’t bury the story. Don’t cower from your mistakes.
I think I understand that my voice..even as a black person who feels strongly about this, doesn't matter. I am slowly accepting this fact, I have always felt....odd about sharing my interest in these characters and their history..their REAL history..it shouldn't end this way..But. We lost.
 

"El Scorpion"

silly kaniggits.......
Premium Member
In the Parks
No
There are no mountains in space either.
There are mountains on other planets. Those planets are in space. So technically you’re wrong. But I’ll agree that there isn’t a giant mountain floating around the Universe. But then again there are asteroids.
 

Quinnmac000

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You originally said "nobody," so no, it wasn't fairly obvious.

Either way, people who are sticking up for the ride on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram are being called any number of hateful terms, including racist.
It depends on how they are wording it. Some posts in this very thread are borderline racist in nature so don't be surprised when people call them out on it.
 

BigDlover

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Has that been confirmed?

...and if it is true, tinfoil hat on has anyone looked into whether the petition started by a cast member wasn't AstroTurf by the company?
I don't see how it wasn't. Sure, Disney knew of these problems before, but they didn't choose to spend the money to fix it until it became a public issue. I don't believe for a second that they were planning this re-theme for months now. The timing is too perfect. I believe Disney said that to attempt to keep politics out if it as much as they could.
 

Brer Oswald

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Tweren't any hills, much less mountains, or log flumes in any of the animated segments of Song of the South.*


*I'm pretty sure, though it's been a while since I've seen it.
Chick-a-pin Hill. That’s where the dead log is from. That’s why they have to change it (which, if what the concept art is to go by, might be one of the few changes for the better. That tree looked cool.)
 
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