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dreamfinder

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Those Disney runs are just saturated. They try to have like 10 events and expect them all to be a success? The only thing it succeeds at is making me feel fat while I'm down there for work.

Any runDisney event where they let anyone register for? Smashing success. Like selling out 25,000 slots in under 8 hours success. At an increasing cost for each and every event success. Creating new "events" where they are charging essentially just to give people early access to the expo. Even the less popular events that used to stay open for months or even until a few weeks before the event are now selling out.

Events where people who don't really want to run and are instead just there for free schwag? Not going to be such a success. Especially after free meals, booze and other stuff, who would really want to wake up early?

Fun runs are huge business right now, and Disney is just trying to take advantage. They see events like the Warrior Dash, Color Run and all their kin holding 70+ events in a year, with hundreds of thousands of people paying to have a good time and do something unique.
 

ABQ

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@WDW1974 , would you be so kind as to post a cross reference list of the more commonly used folks you have nicknames for, ie.."Dr. Blondie", "Bland Tommy", "Lovely Leanne", etc... I'm a bit of a simpleton and don't know who each of these folks are, outside of the oft used Weatherman. Of course, I have to refer to this site's acronym cheat sheet nearly weekly, so I don't expect to remember each of these, but I'll bookmark your post, if you make one.
 

gmajew

Premium Member
Just one note before heading off to dinner, but I see we are at almost 80,000 views in a week's time.

Hey, Gary Buchanan -- what does that mean in terms of social media presence versus a Mommy you fly to Anaheim with her hubby and three kids when her blog has 23 followers (most that are her family and friends?)

I must be terribly ignorant, but I just think I'm a social media whale and you spend all your time and the company's money going after guppies ...

I always thought effective social media involved less courting those who are already sold on your product and BRAND and more on reaching out to doubting, dissenting or merely critical voices. Now, tell me Gary what is it that a whale does?


I run a restaurant group of independent restaurants and I can honestly tell you every industry out their is bribing their bloggers to get the reports they want. We do it, ford does it and so on. It is no different then in the past bribing a critic for a good review int he newspaper.

What has changed though is now everyone can be a critic and everyone can post a negative review of an establishment or experience and that is the true downfall because most post are just trying to get something for free.
 

nor'easter

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I run a restaurant group of independent restaurants and I can honestly tell you every industry out their is bribing their bloggers to get the reports they want. We do it, ford does it and so on. It is no different then in the past bribing a critic for a good review int he newspaper.

What has changed though is now everyone can be a critic and everyone can post a negative review of an establishment or experience and that is the true downfall because most post are just trying to get something for free.
So what you are saying is that WDW1974 is essentially correct...many bloggers prostitute their ethics. And business (in our case Disney ) is happy to oblige.
 

Fe Maiden

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@WDW1974 , would you be so kind as to post a cross reference list of the more commonly used folks you have nicknames for, ie.."Dr. Blondie", "Bland Tommy", "Lovely Leanne", etc... I'm a bit of a simpleton and don't know who each of these folks are, outside of the oft used Weatherman. Of course, I have to refer to this site's acronym cheat sheet nearly weekly, so I don't expect to remember each of these, but I'll bookmark your post, if you make one.


I like that idea, whip up a nice spreadsheet for us. I'm a planner and from Philadelphia, so I'd love nothing more than to have a list of people (laminated, of course) that I can boo and heckle if I ever run into them when I'm on vacation with my family.
 

COProgressFan

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So, want to know what used to be a great sign of a robust spring, but now is a sign of deeper problems in the business?

Cars parked all over the grass as MK is packed ... with day guests.

As the deluxe resorts are way under what Disney needs them to be.

I guess what I don't get about this, is how does it benefit Disney if those rooms sit empty? Why don't they do anything about it? It's been widely reported that there have been lower occupancy rates in recent years, especially in the deluxes. And as has been discussed on these threads, there are many reasons for that -- the central reason being price/value.

Anyone who has ever even taken one business class would know about the supply vs. demand curve. If you are not selling your product, how will continually raising prices 5 or 10% every year going to sell more of it? Who sits in a conference room and says "Our occupancy rates are the lowest they've been in over a decade ... how can we fill more of those rooms? Raise room rates another 10% this year!"

I know TDO is desperate, and they are trying to massage the numbers to look as good as they can. I also know they would love to push more people to DVC contracts. But the casual visitors with cash aren't going to buy DVC because the Poly is too expensive, they'll just go to the Waldorf instead.

Wouldn't they rather adjust pricing to match demand, and then tout to the Wall St. analysts how high their occupancy rates and all the extra revenue that comes from having guests stay on property? Sure, you might lose $100 bucks a night on the room revenue, but you'd gain in back in a heartbeat when your guests spend it on food/bev/merch that is spent in the resort and parks rather than off property.

TDO operates in a bubble where logic and reality just don't apply. It's like the bizarro world.
 

71jason

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What constitutes a person "who have no business being there"? Is there a limited amount of jock strap sweat to go around? What makes anything in a Disney Park not approachable by anyone that wants to participate?

Being physically unqualified to run the prescribed distance in the arbitrary time set by RunDisney officials. That creates a hazard to the other runners. Same reason you can't drive 40 mph on I-4.
 

71jason

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So, want to know what used to be a great sign of a robust spring, but now is a sign of deeper problems in the business?

Cars parked all over the grass as MK is packed ... with day guests.

As the deluxe resorts are way under what Disney needs them to be.

Was about to post this. Confirms observations at the deluxes Monday night and on 192/I-4 the rest of the week: guests are staying off-property in huge numbers this Easter. Poly rooms on Hotels.com does the same. I think WDW finally hit the tipping point.
 

dreamfinder

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What constitutes a person "who have no business being there"? Is there a limited amount of jock strap sweat to go around? What makes anything in a Disney Park not approachable by anyone that wants to participate?

Being physically unqualified to run the prescribed distance in the arbitrary time set by RunDisney officials. That creates a hazard to the other runners. Same reason you can't drive 40 mph on I-4.

And it goes beyond being a hazard to other runners. It moves on to being a hazard and safety risk to themselves, and everyone around them. Large portions of the race do take place on quasi public roads. That Disney either closes down completely, or closes off lanes for runners. At a certain point, they need to reopen those lanes. If you cannot meet the prescribed 16 min mile pace, you prevent them from being able to open the roads back up safely. Some races choose to handle this by letting the runners run on open roads, with no closures. Disney chooses to do it safely and close the roads.

Running a half marathon or a full marathon isn't something that should be taken lightly. Putting the body through that much stress and work isn't normal. There are people that train for years to run these type of races that drop dead on course. It happens at least a few times each year. However if one trains properly and correctly, anyone can indeed run those distances. But there are a large swath of people that don't train properly. Training properly has nothing to do with your pace (outside of hitting the minimum dictated by runDisney which is in line [or easier] than every other general public race I know of) and has everything to do with prepping your body. I am all for people who have never run a step in their life training for these races. Those of us on the running subforum provide all sorts of encouragement and guidance to beginning runners (and even those of us who have been running for years) but we encourage people to do it smartly and intelligently. There are people who have NEVER RUN in their life, that sign up for the Dopey challenge. 4 races back to back a 5k, 10k, half and then full marathon. 49.3 miles from someone who has NEVER RUN. Can it be done? Heck yeah. Should most people do it? Not if their idea of training is walking for 30 mins a few times a week. They show up at the races having no idea of general race courtesy as they choose to make this race weekend their first race EVER. Those are the people we speak up about. Not just for the safety of those around them, but their own safety as well.

Show me any runner that has spent the last 4+ months training seriously. Done their endurance work, hit their long milage runs (10+ for a half, 20+ for a full), and shot for that 16 minute pace or better. I (and many of my fellow runners) will fight for that person to be able to finish the race, cheering them on the whole time, and pushing for them to finish. I enjoy heading back out on course at the Princess half after finishing and cheering on those back of the pack runners as they deserve no less encouragement than the Olympian who just set a course record. Those people have business being there. The people who sign up, don't train, and expect to only walk a few miles and then drop out just to get the medal and say they ran the race? Those people I'm not so sure about.

runDisney does everything they can to make their events approachable by all. Setting the lowest pace of any endurance race I've seen, and providing training plans for all abilities and all fitness levels.
 

gmajew

Premium Member
So what you are saying is that WDW1974 is essentially correct...many bloggers prostitute their ethics. And business (in our case Disney ) is happy to oblige.


Yes that it is common practice and what disney is doing is a necessary evil of the current blog space that is out their. It is a shame but they have no choice to do it because that is the age we are in.
 

jlsHouston

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I'm sorry, but at 400+ a night for deluxe people are going to look around. I got a conference rate this summer at boardwalk at 189 (which I think is crazy awesome) and some people are questioning why I am paying that!?#??

They give a conf rate of $ 189 for the BWI? Wow....I would be beyond thrilled for that kind of a rate at a deluxe..although with last minute points I can sometimes get a studio less than that but it's never at BWI
 

ToTBellHop

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So, want to know what used to be a great sign of a robust spring, but now is a sign of deeper problems in the business?

Cars parked all over the grass as MK is packed ... with day guests.

As the deluxe resorts are way under what Disney needs them to be.
I'm sure the reasonable response is to raise rates at the GF by 10% for 2015 BUT increase the DEALS to 37% off on 6 nights or more.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member

40 Mommy Bloggers for a Fun Run through the Disneyland Resort that must have cost a small fortune to pull off. I can imagine how annoyed New Balance was if they sponsored this thing. It's almost criminal what they did last weekend in Anaheim. :eek:


New Balance has partnered with runDisney to make a special "Disney" shoe collection for 2014 that will only be available at runDisney expos (so they say). Theyre probly wondering why they made the effort to produce special edition shoes for events that are only getting 18 views on YouTube. Not exactly getting the company any headlines. Awesome shoes though. NB really put some effort into it. Nice touches they added.


FYI, I found the Cinderella edition on Ebay for $300. Perhaps someone is selling the free pair they received.

And here is a pic of the cars on the grass at MK that @WDW1974 was talking about
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FigmentJedi

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@WDW1974 do you know what Disney/Marvel's share in movies such as Spider-Man are? Do they box office percentages or do they get a flat licensing fee? Also, you have to love the Marvel branding they are now doing... It's 100% the same as tacking on Disney to their features and such. Every movie now says Marvel Captain America: Winter. (Or whatever movie it might be)

Speaking of the new Spider-Man, instead of an actual credits scene, Sony is deciding to show solidarity with Fox in trying to keep Marvel Studios from having their characters back and they just put a sneak peek at the new X-Men movie into the middle of the credits. No actual crossover between the two is planned, it's just business because Marc Webb was going to direct something for Fox before being called on for ASM2 and Fox wanted ad-space in exchange.
 
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