Spirited Spring Break News, Observations & Thoughts ...

jlsHouston

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Just a side note folks… Spring break traffic is finally here. Interstate four is a giant mess 5 miles in either direction of the Walt Disney World resort.

And yes, it was backed up that way at 10:30 at night.

Well. I'm glad I'm not in that parking lot, I bet it's also pre Easter traffic combined with Spring Break
 

WDW1974

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He's lying. . Of course he has an ulterior motive, although I don't have a clue what it is. He was probably patronizing Iger, but in such a manner he couldn't get called out for it.

You don't get called out for that behavior in the business. It's just the way things are done ...

I just think Michael has been masterful in giving it to his old No. 2 and all the while looking to the masses like a total class act that loves Disney (that much is true!) and wants to share in all the success etc.
 

WDW1974

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Generally a whale gets comped the Bellagio… More costs extra on a fetish site depending upon what contacts were talking about…

I just want to point out that you're making giant waves over what you're referring to is guppies… And I agree, they are some insanely small fish. And I comes problems with the Disney company and things that I don't agree with? I just don't have time to give a flying Fish about who is a mommy blogger or what Disney is doing on the front lines with social media.

What I do care about is the poison culture inside of management and senior Disney executives. I am concerned about the current proposal to do away with pensions forecast members starting in 2016. I'm concerned with the egregious attitude of charging for Castleview room at the Polynesian when all you see is construction.

I'm concerned that management no longer seems to solve problems in big guest service route home and instead makes you jump through so many hoops you give up.

So I just really don't see why you're giving Gary a boatload of crap over things he has no control over. In the Disney social media moms? We all know that was a monster that was created by somebody else. It's almost like you're yelling at somebody who runs Pirates of the Caribbean because the women are now chasing the men in an enema Tronics seen… The frontline people have no control over that. Same in this situation.

I am concerned about many aspects of TWDC. But since social media exists ostensibly to encourage a dialog between the company and its fans and consumers, I absolutely feel that what they do -- from hosting the Ragan Conference at WDW to hosting the Mommy Bloggers event at DLR is very important and worthwhile.

All that big stuff that you care about? It all filters down to how they communicate with (at?) us.

And Gary is a big boy. He needs no defending here. He's welcome to come and chime in. I'd say he's doing quite well for himself with the company and, hopefully, that will continue. But he absolutely helps shape the policy of how CP/TDO/TWDC deals with social media and he is the face (since Laura was conveniently removed) of the Mommy Blogging Brigade. He may not make the big decisions, but he helps shape them through his work every day.

Just to say that Gary is a lot more than simply a frontline CM following orders or procedures.

But again, if you have issues with what TDO is doing, then you have to have issues with the way Social Media is handled because the propaganda machine is designed to spin and shout critics down. It needs to be called out as much as possible.

#WDWGEMS
 

bubbles1812

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So, want to know what used to be a great sign of a robust spring, but now is a sign of deeper problems in the business?

Cars parked all over the grass as MK is packed ... with day guests.

As the deluxe resorts are way under what Disney needs them to be.
People don't want to pay 500$ a night (if they are actually even paying rack rate) for a fairly average hotel experience with average amenities, when for those kind of prices you should really be experiencing The Ritz? When you wish upon a star... ;)
 

MerlinTheGoat

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Fanbois don't always think rationally ...
I'll preface this post by saying that i'm not an Eisner hater. I mostly agree with your comments about him in general and liked a lot of what he did (though I have some complaints with his reign as well). I'd say i'd easily take him over Iger at this point and would have preferred Eisner had stayed to see what he could do to clean up the mess. What I did want to do in this post is provide some thought on how I think the fanbase came to its conclusions in the first place.

I think a lot of the perceptions of Eisner in the fanbase isn't so much a lack of rational thought (some perhaps but certainly not all), but more a lack of contradictory statements that paint Eisner in a more positive light. The fanbase came to its opinions due to a variety of surrounding circumstances happening to the company at the time, as well as the spin the other corporate leaders were creating against Eisner to the public (Roy Disney Jr also got the fanbase incited against Eisner). Regardless of how much direct blame Eisner deserves for the company's decline during his reign, even the few of us who actually liked a lot of his decisions (or at least don't hate him outright like many do) still concede that he made some pretty damn harmful decisions in his later years. At the very least he allowed things to get too out of hand before it was too late for him to make fixes. Some of these problems the company still hasn't recovered from. But many people do hate him, and I can say that to some extent I do understand where they're coming from. Except for those who think Iger is somehow nearly as good or better...

The fanbase in general really doesn't have much understanding about how the inside of the company works. They have very little to go on- basically from whatever political spin is wrought by the company, and by looking at their surroundings. Now even if you disregard the corporate spin against Eisner, the fanbase still saw his last few years as looking unquestionably dire from an entertainment perspective. Arguably a lot more bad decisions than good ones, some permanently scarring the company forever in ways. The US parks over the course of just a couple of years were morphed into absolute messes, horribly maintained and losing many classic rides/attractions with poor or no substitutes (not to mention making bad and inappropriate thematic alterations). The general opinions about new parks have been pretty meh to negative, with the exception of Disneysea which is adored and considered one of the best out there. California Adventure wasn't very liked at the beginning (it took Cars Land for the fanbase to start giving it serious love). Walt Disney Studios Park in Paris is considered by many to be the worst park Disney has ever built. Hong Kong DL (despite your own feelings or how good it has become in the past few years) was initially considered a disappointment due to the crippling lack of rides. After Treasure Planet there were now several core theatrical Disney animated stink bombs in a row (the plots sucked, and Eisner also made the mistake of killing off traditional animation and burning bridges with Pixar). The direct to video sequels were almost all awful. The Disney Channel (excepting the few successes like Kim Possible) was putting out more garbage than good, such as the teen sitcoms and the made for TV "original movie" crap. One of the few unexpected movie successes during that era was ironically Pirates of the Caribbean. But on the flipside, the Haunted Mansion adaptation released around the same time was terrible.

By the time the Disneyland cleanup happened along with the construction of Everest (the most exciting new WDW attraction since the 90's), Eisner was already in the hot seat with the other leaders and about to be replaced. The fanbase I think sees Eisner's last couple of good decisions more as acts of political desperation to maintain power rather than legitimately caring and trying to fix mistakes (even though that may have been what it really was). Either that or decisions forced upon him rather than his own. So, given the surrounding circumstances along with what information they were being fed (again from people like Roy Disney Jr), I can't blame the fanbase for directing such hate towards Eisner. Some of that blame has to at least indirectly fall to him (even if others were more directly responsible). An outstanding leader (though he was one initially) does not allow a company to spiral out of their control like that.

To this day there really aren't a lot of people like yourself (or even myself) who care to show Eisner in a more positive light, at least Eisner's later years (most people seem to agree the first half of his rule was excellent). And usually when someone praises Eisner now, it's to show how horrible Iger is rather than to show how great Eisner was. I find your comments about Eisner fair to a large extent, but there were legit reasons to hold distaste towards decisions made by the company in the later years of his reign. Even if Eisner is eventually perceived in a more positive light though, he is still going to be perceived by many (and this is fair in some respects) as having poor leadership skills during the last few years of his rule. I don't think he was a poor leader in that he's like a tyrant who is deliberately out to ruin a company and screw the fans in order to make a quick buck (like Iger), leaving the company to burn in his wake. I think Eisner was a leader who had good intentions but let things spiral out of his control. You can make as many excuses as you like that he wasn't at fault for some of the things people blame him for, but as CEO at least some responsibility has to fall to him.

The irrational thought in the fanbase comes from people who hated Eisner but somehow like Iger (thinking he's as good or better as Eisner). I can at least see why someone wouldn't care for Eisner in his later years based on circumstances and such (I myself am far from positive about that time period), but I can't fathom why fans could think Iger any better.
 
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TP2000

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On the subject of Disney and Social Media ... word has it that Disney is pushing its Mommies hard to w- RunDisney because apparently New Balance, which gave out a small fortune in swag, was not at all happy with the turnout for the 5K run they had during the event.

RunDisney is a major growth business for Disney, so one can understand how they want Mommy Bloggers to push it.

I thought the same thing when we were linking to Fadra's Mommy Blog YouTube videos earlier in this thread! I remember thinking "there's almost no one there!" at that morning Fun Run on Day 4 of the conference!

My new friend Fadra shot a video of the Fun Run, and she had a panorama shot of the assembled Mommy Runners. I just went back and stopped the video and counted. There were barely 40 runners in attendance for a 2 mile run that went from the Disneyland Hotel, through Downtown Disney, Disneyland and California Adventure before they crossed the finish line on Route 66 in Cars Land. Then they had a catered breakfast and two hours of exclusive use of Cars Land. But hardly anyone was there.

Apologies in advance to @Tigger1988 who hates these Mommy Blogger videos...


There's nobody at this thing! There's more CM's lining the route than there are runners. And to be honest, some of those ladies look like they've never jogged before and will never jog again.

And New Balance gave each Mommy Blogger a free pair of running shoes for this event! :rolleyes:

40 Mommy Bloggers for a Fun Run through the Disneyland Resort that must have cost a small fortune to pull off. I can imagine how annoyed New Balance was if they sponsored this thing. It's almost criminal what they did last weekend in Anaheim. :eek:
 
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todd23

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What are some of the Disney fan websites that are run by Mommy Bloggers vs. ones that are run legitimately as news sources, etc.? I read a number of sites and am curious which ones are biased and which ones give neutral opinions/news/information.

It doesn't have to be an all-encompassing list.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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Considering all of the constructions and relocation going on at that resort $308 is still too much money for a lessened experience and, not to mention, noise and construction dust. No thank you.
That reminds me of a time in the early 90's, my mom and I were staying at the Grand Floridian (back when the deluxe resorts used to be at a far saner price and were infinitely better run) while they were renovating some of the rooms near ours. Ended up being a very rough night from all the noise. Mom mentioned it to the front desk asking to be moved to a different room, which they did AND also gave us several nights free on top of that. We already were paying less due to AP discounts too. :D
 
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Darth Sidious

Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
@WDW1974 do you know what Disney/Marvel's share in movies such as Spider-Man are? Do they box office percentages or do they get a flat licensing fee? Also, you have to love the Marvel branding they are now doing... It's 100% the same as tacking on Disney to their features and such. Every movie now says Marvel Captain America: Winter. (Or whatever movie it might be)
 

Goofyernmost

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I've heard that because it is Disney, events attract people who have no business being there and getting out of the corrals can be... fun.
What constitutes a person "who have no business being there"? Is there a limited amount of jock strap sweat to go around? What makes anything in a Disney Park not approachable by anyone that wants to participate?
 

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