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wdisney9000

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I am quite sure Disney always planned to expand the system. That said, it should have been communicated from the start, but that wouldn't have made the current rules look so good, so they didn't.

What one must understand is that WDW is run by lying liars who lie. They aren't Walt. They don't care about the resort's history or Legacy let alone a man who died well before most of us were even born. They concern themselves with the bottom line and next quarter's results.
I agree they probly had plans to expand it, But would you say those expansion plans were determined by what was most profitable as compared to what would be more magical?
 

WDW1974

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No stop. I love the POLY. Even the elevators that remind of Hooters in Vegas

I loved what the Poly was in the 70s and 80s. Now? Honestly, they could bulldoze it and I am not sure it would even faze me. It has been so bastardized.

OMG you are in the foulest mood.

What are you talking about? I was in a GREAT mood earlier today. I did have a lousy experience at Dunkin Donuts where I believe they gave me an iced latte that was basically milk and no espresso ... but even that hasn't ruined my mood at all.
 
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Goofyernmost

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What are you talking about? I was in a GREAT mood earlier today. I did have a lousy experience at Dunkin Donuts where I believe they gave me an iced latte that was basically milk and no espresso ... but even that hasn't ruined my mood at all.
Yea... life is pretty rough sometimes. I sure hope you gave him 'what for'!
;)
 

jlsHouston

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Now it seems that you are speaking without any evidence. I have VERY limited knowledge of the MM+ rollout, but what insider knowledge I do have is this: Disney always intended to roll things out slowly, in stages, and take the guest feedback VERY SERIOUSLY. They knew from the beginning that 3 FP's per day was PROBABLY not going to be enough, but they didn't know FOR SURE until they tried it. They knew from the beginning that the park hopping option was going to have to happen, but they needed to roll out the one park option first to get the system rolling. The reason they aren't communicating very well is because nothing is set in stone and delays were inevitable.

Bottom line is they care about guest feedback for the very reason you say they don't. They have a lot on the line with this system, so they HAVE TO respond to the overwhelming guest concerns for the "bottom line." However, this concern (the hopping and the daily 3) was anticipated before the roll-out, but seen as a good starting point to test the system.

Keep those complaints coming--they do make a difference (and they make this thread interesting), but don't assert that the first phase of roll-out was what they intended to stick with. It simply isn't true, and it makes you seem as clueless as "little ol' Fedra."

Well I have very little knowledge at all about MM+ except what I've experienced as a guest at WDW since they began the rollout. But I think they came up with the number of 3 FP+ per day after results from data collected from legacy and surveys done on exiting guests. I think they skewed their data analysis though, sort of like garbage in garbage out. I think the software was not written yet for multiple parks per day when they decided to start testing because it was a low priority to the team handling this huge monumental job of basically overhauling an enormous data infrastructure.
Not to mention the contractor they hired for this ultimate vacation planning/marketing collection data mine doesn't really have a background in the hospitality/entertainment/theme park industry.
Even if the first phase of roll-out was never what Disney intended to stay with, from my ignorant perspective I felt like they should never have eliminated legacy until all the AP's were online. I also feel like legacy should have stayed until FP's for multiple parks were addressed with MM+. And at the very least Disney should have been capable of articulating timetables to guests a tad better.
Has Disney been listening to guests complaints? Maybe. I bet what they have heard is the of cash going out the door weekly on payroll. Look at how many CM's they have hired to handle the FP+ at the kiosks all around the parks. I can't believe they haven't decided 4 bucks a pop per MB isn't a huge overhead cost along with the freight on these cute packages we are all getting.
I don't care if I appear clueless to you. Honestly if anyone looks clueless about the ultimate uses and goals and features that will be a part of MM+, including FP+ it is TDO.
 

WDW1974

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I agree they probly had plans to expand it, But would you say those expansion plans were determined by what was most profitable as compared to what would be more magical?

Disney always looks at the bottom line first. ... I can't believe it, but they make decisions based on FRACTIONS of PENNIES as dollars fly overhead in the breeze. They can't be cheaper. ... Go to Mizner's and order a mojito or a frozen drink and then ask why they can't serve you one for an example.

I am sure that Disney had always intended to tweak MM+ ... and more FP's was likely a given. I am less sure about the parkhopping because Disney wants to discourage it and keep people from hopping to MK. But even that, I can't say they never intended to add it. They had to know it wasn't going to fly with any guest who has been there before.
 

WDW1974

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Yea... life is pretty rough sometimes. I sure hope you gave him 'what for'!
;)

No, I didn't. But he was sorta grungy and disgusting looking and went off his shift as soon as he made my latte. He looked like he hadn't washed his hair since early March. And he is one of the replacements for my beloved 'Fran' who was deemed too old when they redid the unit and turned it 'hipper' (how any DD can qualify as being hip is a whole 'nother conversation) and she now works at the local BK (and I hate BK).

Yes, though, I should have asked them to make me another. And thanks for the concern! :)
 

lazyboy97o

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Fixed that for you.
Never said you or anyone else cannot be critical or have a concern. I wouldn't try to convince anyone to not go that route if they truly felt the need. I just feel it is rather trivial to constantly point out the negatives when, in my opinion, the positive outweigh them. If anyone is so busy pointing out the negatives while on property, I think they may be focused in another direction than I am while there.

So, we were just there, right, and the hub work at the MK prevented us from grabbing "our spot" for the castle show and Wishes. Did it upset me? A little. Did I come on here to bash Disney for taking away my 'joy'? Nope, because you know what, we found another spot and thoroughly enjoyed the show. Wait, what, I enjoyed a 'stale' fireworks show???? Why yes, yes I did.
How is Main Street, USA, as a romantic experience of small town America at the start of the 20th century, stronger today? The focus is much grander than favorite spots.

I'd also be remiss if I didn't comment on Euro Disney SCA announcing that Ratatouille and associated area development will make its debut this summer on July 10th (a perfect date!) ... For all of those people who rip the Paris resort, it is getting better all the time (after hitting rock bottom to be sure). Great Spring Festival going on now and what should be a terrific summer. And they are well at work on basically a total rebuild of the Newport Bay Club.
And yet there is still no date on the little coaster that could despite being two weeks away from its own media event.
 

dhall

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Why do some people claim Disney was going to add more than 3 FP+ selections all along? If thats the case, why start with 3 in the first place? Why not announce they plan to add more later, or same for park hopping? What would they have to gain by keeping it a secret? Nothing, unless they were unsure of being able to do it. Were they really planning on doing this, or was it a reaction to people being upset about just having 3? I would say the latter. just guessing though. Im sure many will say it was to ease in the new system.

Because the #FP's in circulation is one of the ways the Disney can tune the system once real data is flowing. They were probably being conservative with the #FP's outstanding vs. #RideSlots available ratio, at least until they can get an idea how many FP's will actually get used. They may also (I think this may be a reach) be listening to the feedback of experienced guests who complained about the 3 attraction limit, and worked out a way to approximate that part of the system for power users.
 

Omnispace

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WDW1974

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Received the 30% room discount email today. Free upgrade to park hoppers on 5 nights or more. Is this new?

They are offering 35% off for FLA residents at their deluxes this summer, which again speaks to both their business model and softness in bookings. And MANY units at the GF, Poly and BW will all (conveniently) be out of commission for rehabs this summer.
 

maxairmike

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Also curious why any subsequent talk got pulled. I can see the link being pulled, but the following posts were all relevant regarding the topic of Disney's handling of social media.

On a similar yet different note, I'd be curious to know what Disney IT is doing after Heartbleed flaw in OpenSSL was found out. That was (is) a very, very serious issue. Of course I'm sure they've patched everything, or are in the process of doing so, but the entire time MM+/NGE was rolling out and being used/tested this was sitting there ripe for use without anyone knowing it could or was being used.
 

wdwmagic

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On a similar yet different note, I'd be curious to know what Disney IT is doing after Heartbleed flaw in OpenSSL was found out. That was (is) a very, very serious issue. Of course I'm sure they've patched everything, or are in the process of doing so, but the entire time MM+/NGE was rolling out and being used/tested this was sitting there ripe for use without anyone knowing it could or was being used.

I would imagine they are doing much like the rest of the Internet, patch, and hope nothing leaked. Until the data shows up in the wild, there is no really way to know if it was harvested.
 

NearTheEars

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True, but MM+ can be used very effectively by locals ... I can use it and get in and out of a park in no time. Or use it to hit top attractions and add to my total (like the night last week when I hit 11 MK attractions and watched CtM and the MSEP all in under four hours).

I think it will wind up working better for locals and APers much like FP did. Because no matter how much money Disney spends advertising this, many people are still not going to have a clue what it is or how it works. They still don't get FP and that has been around for 15 years.

100% agree, as local APs, FP+ has made our day trips super efficient and opened more time to spend out and about in OTown, or to actually take time to relax in the park.
 

WDW1974

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First time I've ever had a post deleted on this site! I am big time now! :cool:

Congrats!!! It is an honor.

As to the topic that was at hand. I don't wish to damage any individual, but I do feel the fact the link is open and free should be spread through social media. That is what social media is about ... so folks on Twitter, tweet, tweet, tweet ... like the Birdies in Walt Disney's Enchanted Tiki Room.
 

Goofyernmost

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No, I didn't. But he was sorta grungy and disgusting looking and went off his shift as soon as he made my latte. He looked like he hadn't washed his hair since early March. And he is one of the replacements for my beloved 'Fran' who was deemed too old when they redid the unit and turned it 'hipper' (how any DD can qualify as being hip is a whole 'nother conversation) and she now works at the local BK (and I hate BK).

Yes, though, I should have asked them to make me another. And thanks for the concern! :)
You know me... I always care! :D However, being part of the elderly set, it does concern me more that "Fran" was displaced, whoever Fran is! Couldn't you have used your faux 1% status to save her job?:cool:
 

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