Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts Tres

[njDizFan]

You best not be disrespectin' our darlin' honey boo boo child! She's a beaoooty quean. You'd better Red-neckognize!

(also, as an aside...I wonder if she did BBB...)

I'm pretty pleased with myself not knowing who that was...

 

[Goofyernmost]

Michael jackson now died over FOUR years ago... yet we still have his 'tribute' running on both coasts..

That wasn't by any stretch of the imagination a tribute. It was blatant, unmitigated and shameful exploitation of the memory of a dead star. I found it reprehensible and tactless that Disney resurrected that fossil to make a few bucks off his memory.

I don't remember the numbers but it wouldn't surprise me if it ran longer as an exploitation film then it did as an original show. It wasn't all that great to begin with. The proceeding was entirely my personal opinion not only of the quality of the film to begin with, but, also the usage by Disney after MJ's death. Others are free to disagree, however, they would be wrong!

 

[StarWarsGirl]

Oh, and who is he in YOUR opinion?

Read some honest books about him, such as Bob Thomas' "Walt Disney, An American Original". Bob Thomas, unlike nearly every other Walt Disney biographer, actually met and interviewed Walt. You might be surprised to find that Walt wasn't perfect, but he was a good man, a creative genius, a faithful husband and a doting father. And none of that is a fantasy.

That was such a great book. I actually did a report on it Junior year of High School for history class. I was able to dismiss many rumors that my classmates threw at me about Walt.

Another great source is the documentary: "Walt: the Man Behind the Myth". There you can hear from people who knew Walt best. If you haven't seen it, it's on TV a lot.

 

[Goofyernmost]

eh i'm not seeing the issue. Captain Eo was a better attraction than what replaced it (HISTA), Jackson was very talented and it's good that people from that era and people unfamilar with his creative works can see him in his prime before his life became a media horrorshow. It also has a nice historic value as the first Disney-Lucasfilm partnership that has now become a major cornerstone for the company. They should only replace it once they have a great idea.

Just to be accurate, Michael Jackson was a major talent until he wasn't. His brain went the same direction as his nose. His judgement was gone, his behavior would have had anyone other then MJ in prison so fast your head would spin and as a role model, well, that train had left the station quite awhile before his passing. Dead or not, I found that having that film put back in after his death was totally inappropriate and disgusting on many levels.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

That wasn't by any stretch of the imagination a tribute. It was blatant, unmitigated and shameful exploitation of the memory of a dead star. I found it reprehensible and tactless that Disney resurrected that fossil to make a few bucks off his memory.

It was actually pressure from MJ fans to put it back. They created a FB group and such. I like it better than I ever liked Honey. Besides, it was nice for me as a young person to get a taste of what that show was.

 

[Goofyernmost]

And I can't blame her for wanting tapioca struck from the shopping list... Tapioca pudding is naaaaaaasty

Tapioca is gods way of letting us know that there is a heaven. It could only have come from there.

 

[Goofyernmost]

It was actually pressure from MJ fans to put it back. They created a FB group and such. I like it better than I ever liked Honey. Besides, it was nice for me as a young person to get a taste of what that show was.

Sure like Disney always falls under the pressure of a FB group. No they did it because they saw a way to cash in on it. And here they had these nifty little film all set up that would fit in the theater from whence it originated. Let's call it a tribute and make ourselves look like wonderful, thoughtful people.

 

[Nemo14]

It was actually pressure from MJ fans to put it back. They created a FB group and such. I like it better than I ever liked Honey. Besides, it was nice for me as a young person to get a taste of what that show was.

You could have just watched it on YouTube.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

Sure like Disney always falls under the pressure of a FB group. No they did it because they saw a way to cash in on it. And here they had these nifty little film all set up that would fit in the theater from whence it originated. Let's call it a tribute and make ourselves look like wonderful, thoughtful people.

It's not that popular...not like it's a major draw

 

[StarWarsGirl]

You could have just watched it on YouTube.

True, but I still had dial up when he passed.

 

[bubbles1812]

It's not that popular...not like it's a major draw

Popularity has nothing to do with it... Disney saw they could make some money, as a FB group like that would demonstrate. If people are making dumb groups like that, doesn't take a genius to figure they might be enticed to buy some MJ merchandise from Disney if EO was brought back. But to suggest Disney actually succumbed to "pressure" from a FB group ect is ludicrous and naive. If Disney actually did that, well, there would actually be construction going on in WDW for instance.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Popularity has nothing to do with it... Disney saw the could make some money, as a FB group like that would demonstrate. If people are making dumb groups like that, doesn't take a genius to figure they might be enticed to buy some MJ merchandise from Disney if EO was brought back. But to suggest Disney actually succumbed to "pressure" from a FB group ect is ludicrous and naive. If Disney actually did that, well, there would actually be construction going on in WDW YEARS AGO, for instance.

Fixed that for you...you're welcome!

 

[flynnibus]

That wasn't by any stretch of the imagination a tribute. It was blatant, unmitigated and shameful exploitation of the memory of a dead star. I found it reprehensible and tactless that Disney resurrected that fossil to make a few bucks off his memory.

I don't remember the numbers but it wouldn't surprise me if it ran longer as an exploitation film then it did as an original show. It wasn't all that great to begin with. The proceeding was entirely my personal opinion not only of the quality of the film to begin with, but, also the usage by Disney after MJ's death. Others are free to disagree, however, they would be wrong!

The original ran from '86 to '94. The original was not bad.. a bit quirky.. but innovative in a lot of ways. I liked seeing it again.. I wish they had put all the effects back.. but I'm glad they were able to displace HISTA. But 4 years on now.. it just goes to show just how Disney just isn't proactive any more. Their structure and operation doesn't seem capable of being ahead of the needs anymore. Be it size, cost efficiency, or what.. they run it into the ground and then after it's been left there in pieces long enough.. they do something about it.

The lack of Fortune 500 sponsors ready to flock and give Disney millions a year I think really has impacted how Disney sees these attractions.

 

[WDW1974]

Add me to that list.

The critics are piling on The Lone Ranger as if it was starring Paula Deen !

And I've still yet to hear of anyone in either my circle or that of family and friends who have seen it that haven't at least liked it.

Very odd.

 

[WDW1974]

Can someone tell me the point of putting Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor in DL's Tomorrowland if they are going to be building Monstropolis in DCA?

Why have a Nemo show at DAK and a ride at EPCOT?

Why have a Mermaid show at Studios and a ride at MK?

Disney is all about milking franchises and IP. THis is simply another example.

 

[djlaosc]

Why have a Nemo show at DAK and a ride at EPCOT?

Why have a Mermaid show at Studios and a ride at MK?

Disney is all about milking franchises and IP. THis is simply another example.

At least one was already there before the other - in Disneyland's case, they are planning to put the IP in two parks at the same time.

Personally, I want The Living Seas to move to DAK, but that's not going to happen, and there were rumours of removing the Mermaid Studios show.

 

[WDW1974]

Whether it thematically fits or not is apparently no longer important to the supposed masters of themed entertainment.

That has been the case for over a decade now.

You throw a product in anywhere and then have WDI concoct some crazy backstory that only fanbois will know about to justify it.

 

[WDW1974]

WDW's attendance is a closely guarded corporate secret. Even organizations such as TEA, supposedly the best public source for attendance at most theme parks, gets it wrong. Sometimes by a lot.

Can a casual WDW guest tell whether 45,000 or 50,000 people attended the Magic Kingdom today? How about 23,000 or 25,000 at DHS? Yet the difference between these numbers spread out over 365 operating days represents a profound impact on corporate revenue.

Several methods are available to estimate crowd levels. However, even well-tried methods used by experienced hands come up with wildly varying estimates. Estimates for rallies held on the National Mall often vary by hundreds of thousands.

I'm suggesting that trying to project a sufficiently accurate estimate to truly understand what's happening at the macro level at WDW seems to be beyond current technic. While I think it's possible to come up with gross estimates, these have sufficiently large margins of error that make it difficult to truly comprehend trends. Is WDW attendance up 5% or down 5% this summer? Again, I'm suggesting that the margin of error used by any estimating technic drowns out such variance as nothing but noise.

Yet, corporately, up 5% vs. down 5% represent two very different business cases at WDW.

There are daily projections for each park. And at the end of the day, they have a count of turnstile clicks. The park managers also can see a rundown of how many were first click, how many were comps, how many were APs etc. ...It's very easy if you have the numbers.

Anecdotally, I can tell you that a friend drove by MK parking yesterday and said it looked like a day in January, a weekday post holidays. It doesn't even require numbers to tell you that is way off.

 

[WDW1974]

Ain't that the truth... I have no problems whatsoever with people liking Disney characters (or My Little Pony), but sorry, I would say the same thing about Disney erotica. It's pretty weird, and suggests an obsession at a whole nother level. Just my opinion. *shrug*

How about miserable lost souls who don't fit into society and can't compete in the real world and move yo O-Town and live in the parks?

And the individuals who start businesses and blogs and podcasts based on whoring off of Disney?

 

[WDW1974]

@WDW1974, and you thought MY thread had been carjacked by insanity? Welcome to your crash course in My Little Pony bro.

I wish that video had not been placed here. I can make fun of mental defectives that think taking pictures of DBC construction is a job. ... But even I wouldn't' make fun of that young man ... At least online.