Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts Tres

[Computer Magic]

So because a CM (who has a grudge against D23 people for some reason), leaked a major/amazing announcement for DHS including Carsland, StarWarsland and maybe a Pixar ride . . . the top brass cancelled said announcement out of spite or something?

I don't quite understand the leak and why the CM doesn't get fired? Why would Disney postpone an announcement because of the leak? Does Disney need more time to prepare for the announcement or making changes to the announcement based on the leak?

 

[Tim_4]

I don't quite understand the leak and why the CM doesn't get fired?

If they know who it is, he/she will be.

Why would Disney postpone an announcement because of the leak?

They wouldn't.

Does Disney need more time to prepare for the announcement or making changes to the announcement based on the leak?

They don't change what they're going to do based on message boards and fan blogs.

 

[Computer Magic]

If they know who it is, he/she will be.

They wouldn't.

They don't change what they're going to do based on message boards and fan blogs.

From what I read, It seemed they know the CM that wanted to disrupt D23.

I wouldn't expect them to change based on boards. However, If the leak information is accurate, do they want to offer additional information, damage control, more art work.

 

[bubbles1812]

I'm sure the CM got two bus drivers to back him/her up!

What does it matter if it was "vetted" as there won't be a big announcement at D23? I'm not saying insiders lied, per se, just that they were lead astray by a CM with a grudge, I guess, and they inadvertently passed on said rumor.

You really think that everyone here would print from a CM "with a grudge" without vetting it with people who "don't have a grudge." Come on man. People who have provided inside information before have already established they have multiple sources. Not sure why you are working so hard to discredit everyone who have built up credibility over years and years here, but you look silly doing it.

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

I don't quite understand the leak and why the CM doesn't get fired? Why would Disney postpone an announcement because of the leak? Does Disney need more time to prepare for the announcement or making changes to the announcement based on the leak?

I don't think Disney would postpone a major announcement because of a "leak", which was really just a rumor that came attached with the disclaimer, "plans always can change." I don't think somebody would tell Iger/Staggs, "somebody on a forum reported a rumor similar to what we have planned." I'm sure Iger/Staggs wouldn't care considering that it is just more interest/anticipation for said announcement. There isn't some sort of game whereby if fans know about a project weeks before an announcement, then it won't happen.

If the rumors were more plausible, then I'd believe that plans were cancelled, but the rumors didn't appear to be very realistic. DCA had planned an expansion where Carsland is for a long time, even with a similar ride before they adopted Cars. It's borderline ludicrous to say that all of things will be ripped out of DHS and Carsland, StarWarsland and a Pixar ride is coming . . . (logistical/fiscal issues not addressed) sounds like an amalgam of fan ideas over the years . . . because it is an amalgam of fan ideas over the years!

I think some CM saw how attractions are cloned and brought to WDW, and figured that they'd clone Carsland and put it into DHS.

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

You really think that everyone here would print from a CM "with a grudge" without vetting it with people who "don't have a grudge." Come on man. People who have provided inside information before have already established they have multiple sources. Not sure why you are working so hard to discredit everyone who have built up credibility over years and years here, but you look silly doing it.

Doesn't really matter if the rumor was "vetted" or not, as the announcement at D23 won't happened as was asserted as practically a fact. Even CNN messes up stuff that is "confirmed" through multiple sources. One insider said that the primary source was a CM who wanted to "stir up" action . . . doesn't sound like somebody passing on truthful info.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...or_embarassing_a_double_kick_in_the_head.html


In case you've forgotten, CNN was the first of a handful of media outlets to report last Wednesday, citing anonymous sources, that a suspect had been identified and arrested. That story, of course, turned out to be false. And while many news sources, including the Associated Press, were caught up in the "fact" chaos, John King was the first and the most visible media personality to fill airtime with the inaccurate information.


So on Tuesday, King addressed the error, telling WTOP that:

"I've been at this for nearly 30 years ... I've covered a couple wars and a lot of breaking news and a lot of cops-and-robbers situations. I've got a pretty good track record, but when you do something like this it's embarrassing.​

"The bigger part, beyond being personally embarrassing, is it's tough for your viewers, who you want to trust you," he continued. "So the one thing you do have to do is look in the camera and say, 'We were wrong,' and try to explain why we were wrong. In this case we had two reputable sources—one of mine, one of a colleague's of mine—who have been reliable in the past, who simply had bad information. We had two— you never do that with one—and we went with it, and we had to correct it."​

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If CNN can get it wrong, even with trusted sources . . . I'm not sure that I'd think a message board couldn't mess it up.​

 

[HMF]

If I may point out that the leaked blueprints and information we got about New Fantasyland back in 2009 happened at virtually the same timeframe before D23 that the current info came this year (Mid-June) of Which we still largely don't know much actual details and that did not prevent them from making the announcement (Though in retrospect Jay & co. should have paid closer attention to the miffed reaction when it was revealed that most of the expansion was glorified meet & greets thankfully that plan was amended but not enough to repair the damage unfortunately.)

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

From what I read, It seemed they know the CM that wanted to disrupt D23.

I wouldn't expect them to change based on boards. However, If the leak information is accurate, do they want to offer additional information, damage control, more art work.

Not sure what the damage control would be for . . . if they announced a new land, even a new attraction at D23, more than just the top-secret Avatar stuff . . . I don't think fans would be upset! (If they took out Osbourne Lights, yes, very upset, and Muppets has more fans with the last movie (a song won an Oscar) and another film in the works.

The CM sounds like he/she has severe psychological issues if their goal was to "disrupt" a Disney fan convention. Isn't that like psycho crazy? If the D23 part is true, then Disney has a real nut working in the parks who is gleeful that a handful of fans are disappointed that the rumors (which seem unrealistic and bizarre) aren't true.

The CM also doesn't get that the top brass don't care about rumors on a fan board. They aren't losing any sleep between playing golf, board meetings, and vacations in Europe!

Since the rumors were, apparently, based on fan rumors, then perhaps the leaker enjoyed crashing the hopes of a handful of the diehards . . . all in the space of weeks leading up to D23.

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

If I may point out that the leaked blueprints and information we got about New Fantasyland back in 2009 happened at virtually the same timeframe before D23 that the current info came this year (Mid-June) of Which we still largely don't know much actual details and that did not prevent them from making the announcement (Though in retrospect Jay & co. should have paid closer attention to the miffed reaction when it was revealed that most of the expansion was glorified meet & greets thankfully that plan was amended but not enough to repair the damage unfortunately.)

Well, the insiders say it was a CM who concocted the leak to "disrupt" D23. It seems to me that it would only be disruptive to D23 if they postulated plans/rumors were true, and only mildly so as only diehards pay attention to this. Sort of dashing certain fans hopes on the rocks of dispair sort of thing.

 

[Computer Magic]

Not sure what the damage control would be for . . . if they announced a new land, even a new attraction at D23, more than just the top-secret Avatar stuff . . . I don't think fans would be upset!

The CM sounds like he/she has severe psychological issues if their goal was to "disrupt" a Disney fan convention. Isn't that like psycho crazy? If the D23 part is true, then Disney has a real nut working in the parks who is gleeful that a handful of fans are disappointed that the rumors (which seem unrealistic and bizarre) aren't true.

The CM also doesn't get that the top brass don't care about rumors on a fan board. They aren't losing any sleep between playing golf, board meetings, and vacations in Europe!

Since the rumors were, apparently, based on fan rumors, then perhaps the leaker enjoyed crashing the hopes of a handful of the diehards . . . all in the space of weeks leading up to D23.

From your perspective, you don't believe the rumors or dismissing the accuracy of the rumors, so no harm done. That makes sense.

I would think, leaking accurate information from a company that doesn't want info released, is grounds for termination.

 

[ScoutN]

From your perspective, you don't believe the rumors or dismissing the accuracy of the rumors, so no harm done. That makes sense.

I would think, leaking accurate information from a company that doesn't want info released, is grounds for termination.

It is. That's why you control who knows what and limit it to certain people and need to know. Disney has a large issue with doing that.

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

From your perspective, you don't believe the rumors or dismissing the accuracy of the rumors, so no harm done. That makes sense.

I would think, leaking accurate information from a company that doesn't want info released, is grounds for termination.

It certainly is at Apple where a rival can come out with a clone in months. Disney owns Cars, as an intellectual property . . . if Carsland plans were leaked, I don't think it would hurt the company, especially since if it was just a clone of a land that no doubt Uni execs have toured.

The whole convoluted story of a Disney employee with a psychotic anger towards D23, and leaking a big announcement to hurt D23 appears to be quite false, as were the rumors of a major DHS announcement. I'm not surprised because the rumors appeared to be Mad Hatter crazy, I guess that makes sense if this was a wacko CM who thought, "I'll leak it that Carsland, StarWarsland and Pixar are all coming! Let Disney pick-up the pieces! hahaha!"

Uni can't build a StarWars land . . . at least I don't think so! Ditto for Pixar properties . . .

 

[Pixiedustmaker]

I would think, leaking accurate information from a company that doesn't want info released, is grounds for termination.

It probably depends what is in the contract. We all know how Snowden's company made him sign stuff.

Leaking inaccurate info . . . info that is made to stir-up ill-will would actually be more concerning, I would wager. As it indicates said employee hates their company's guts.

 

[flynnibus]

If it isn't a hologram, it is even more impressive. It sure looked 3 dimensional to me

It's projection onto a translucent mylar screen. Been done for a number of years now to get 'floating' projections. The HD images now make the images very sharp. The depth feel comes from the very sharp images and the fact the screen is in front of real sets. Normally it's done in an open space that is kept dark to minimize the risk of seeing the screen and improve the contrast of the image. The layering of front/back stuff done in Disaster helps add to the realism.. and of course the gags where they overlay the video over pieces you perceive to be the real sets.

 

[flynnibus]

Speaking of online Disney, Miceage is sadly failing along with Al Lutz's health

Micechat is killing their community with their shift to a product.. putting all the content into front page blogs and their over moderation to try to force people into a utopia.

I don't know who in the world thought it was a good idea to try to mimick Al's writing style when Al isn't writing the columns anymore. Copying someone's personality/style is never a good way to kick things off.

I like Dusty.. but I think they've ultimately have nuked their sense of community.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Micechat is killing their community with their shift to a product.. putting all the content into front page blogs and their over moderation to try to force people into a utopia.

I don't know who in the world thought it was a good idea to try to mimick Al's writing style when Al isn't writing the columns anymore. Copying someone's personality/style is never a good way to kick things off.

I like Dusty.. but I think they've ultimately have nuked their sense of community.

Regarding Lutz, It seems that dusty and co feel uncomfortable disclosing the fact that his illness, Parkinson's I believe, has gotten to the point where he can no longer write his columns. So they feel the need to create the illusion that he's still writing them.

Dusty disclosed Al's condition on the May MiceChat podcast btw.

Flynn how did the end of the DCA expansion effect MiceChat's boards?

 

[Taylor]

Regarding Lutz, I seems that dusty and co feel uncomfortable disclosing the fact that his illness, Parkinson's I believe, has gotten to the point where he can no longer write his columns. So they feel the need to create the illusion that he's still writing them.

Dusty disclosed Al's condition on the May MiceChat podcast btw.

Flynn how did the end of the DCA expansion effect MiceChat's boards?

That's really sad I disagree on some of the stuff he says but he's a damn good writer it's a shame when a illness takes away what someone loves to do.

 

[flynnibus]

So they feel the need to create the illusion that he's still writing them.

I don't think (IMO) its about creating an illusion.. as much as it is trying to clone the success. Without the personality... they tried to mimic the personality to fill the void. It falls completely flat to me. It's not the first time.. when they had the falling out with Darkbeer.. Andy Castro also tried to mimic darkbeer.. and was really bad at it for some time. Eventually he evened out and found his place.. but I imagine he's grown up a bit and his life is probably keeping him out of the parks compared to before.

Flynn how did the end of the DCA expansion effect MiceChat's boards?

While the DCA run up certainly energized activity and there is a whole 'generation' of posters on the site that I'm sure felt lost when there was no more DCA openings to ponder.. I personally don't think its played a significant role in the shift in the community. It has to do with the people involved... who'se been brought into the fold and whose been run out... along with the management of the site shaping it into a channel for published pieces instead of a hub of freely mobile people congregating there.

People act like without the DCA activity there is nothing to talk about. There is tons of activity.. it's just not being covered the same way it used to be. Back when attractions like Nemo were being built.. even the smallest things were being caught and discussed. Here we have the massive BTMRR being redone.. and barely anything being covered/discussed. It's not the lack of DCA activity that is responsible for the fundamental shifts.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Regarding Lutz, I seems that dusty and co feel uncomfortable disclosing the fact that his illness, Parkinson's I believe, has gotten to the point where he can no longer write his columns. So they feel the need to create the illusion that he's still writing them.

Dusty disclosed Al's condition on the May MiceChat podcast btw.

Flynn how did the end of the DCA expansion effect MiceChat's boards?

We know Al is sick, over on MiceChat, and we know Dusty has been writing the columns.

I'm not Flynn, clearly, but the boards haven't suffered or changed after DCA 2.0. We still discuss and some people are annoying there, just like here.

 

[lazyboy97o]

We know Al is sick, over on MiceChat, and we know Dusty has been writing the columns.

I'm not Flynn, clearly, but the boards haven't suffered or changed after DCA 2.0. We still discuss and some people are annoying there, just like here.

The level of activity compared to years past has dropped. The level of thoughtful activity has dropped even more. MiceChat has become the very sort of Disney site it once tried to contrast.