Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

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HMF

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not to be rude nor do i want an avatar debate, but why is it a mistake? how do you know it wont be massively successful? even if the second movie doesnt do well (im betting it will) it can still be successful kinda like Cars land was

instead of claiming it will be a mistake before you see anything how about give it a chance...how about we see it through before calling it a failure/mistake;)
Mostly because Avatar does not have a strong cultural resonance like Star Wars and Potter do.
 

pixargal

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I don't want to derail this thread, but Agents of SHEILD was good, but certainly not great. It has a lot of potential but lets see what happens over the next few episodes and see which direction the writers and director go.
I agree. There are very few shows on TV that my 15 year old son and I can agree on to watch together. So, I gave it a try. I was hoping to see the heroes, but I thought they did a decent job of developing the new characters.
 

Cody5242

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Spirited Musings:

Is there really a thread here on LotR coming to TPFKaTD-MGMS? I mean REALLY????!!!

Did we call DoA on Cars Land too soon? Yes, there seems to be life in the corpse unless someone is playing the set up game. We call this one 'developing'.

The OLC is not happy with WDI these days. Yes, that is why there will be no Cars Land in Tokyo (thankfully). The OLC isn't really happy with Disney at all, right now. They've been pushed hard on everything from One Disney to MM+/NGE and want no part of any of it since they run their parks to a standard Disney is simply unwilling, or more accurately incapable of doing.

I was not overly happy with the Emmys on Sunday (although CBS was). It was a dull boring affair and I almost thought they were doing so because I had to miss them for the first time since 2001. They got best drama and best comedy right (the biggies as I call them) and I was happy for Anna Gunn and Jim Parsons, but beyond that there were a whole lot of HUHS!!?!?? And the morbid focus on death and the tacky way it was done is all on my good friends at the Academy.

TV season started and I still am enjoying Sleepy Hollow and love Black List, but Spader would be great in an adult diaper commercial. Do not get what the hype beyond it being MARVEL!!!!!!!!! For Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. It wasn't bad, but wasn't particularly good either. Same could be said for the Goldbergs. I'll give them both a few more chances.

Back to WDW ... Just read @KevinYee 's column on more for less at MNSSHP. Thought it was honest and straight forward. This is how Disney operates today and this is why guests attempt to lie, cheat and steal to even the playing field whether by stealing soda or privileges for the disabled or simply walking out of the Emporium without paying or even complaining about a perfectly fine meal to get it comped. Do I think it is right? Not at all. ... Do I think it is understandable? Absolutely. You screw folks enough and you have to expect that a portion of them are going to turn around and give it to you hard.

So, Iger's big sales job yesterday was Avatar and MAGIC bands. What another glorious decade of utter mediocrity WDW guests have to look forward to.

Is George Kalogridis still in hiding?

Sorry, gushing UNI fanbois but I do not believe that this is the best HHNs ever or that every house is fantastic. Honestly, the event got so repetitive that I skipped it in 2009, swore I wasn't sane for returning in 2010 and then had a great time in 2011. I can't really rate last year's event because I went during a four-hour monsoon. But I am looking forward to this year's event. It would be great if they could burn a Disney Lifestyler every night, though.

While not a fan of any NFL team, I must admit to enjoy seeing the Fins at 3-0, while teams such as the Steelers, Giants and Redskins are at the opposite end of the spectrum.

Disney absolutely is delusional in thinking that I'd ever pay $89 to stay at the when fanb....OK, no jokes. That rate is a joke all its own.

I heard my thread was temporarily turned into the of the moment stroller and ECV bashfest and I must say I approve. When at the Disney international parks you see almost no ECVs (and people in them have obvious issues and don't weigh 458 pounds) and far less strollers. When kids reach walking age, they walk. Very simply. They aren't coddled like American brats are. Unless a child has a REAL disability, there is no excuse for a child over the age of say 5 being pushed around all day except bad, lazy parents. Hey, you know who you are. They gave your children functioning legs so they could walk with them. Think about that when you see a child being pushed around because they can't walk and they never will.
Should we still be hearing a WDW announcement sometime early next month?
 

JimboJones123

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I was actually wondering last night is a SHIELD based attraction would violate the contract. Although the movies have created some connection between SHIELD and the Avengers, there aen't really the same "family" and there is no AFAIK representation of SHIELD in IOA. With the new TV show, it might be conceivable for Disney to develop an attraction based on being an agent of SHIELD -- could be a good fit for DQ, were they inclined to ever invest money in that -- and provide the type of IP synergy that Iger seems to love.

Don't think they'd bother because its not worth the billable hours to even determine if it would work, but seems more plausible than some of the Marvel ideas we end up seeing around here.
SHIELD is part of the Marvel Universe, so no attractions.
 

lazyboy97o

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Just being part of the Marvel universe is not what makes SHIELD, or even the Avengers, off-limits to Walt Disney World. But - again - the contract is online for anyone to read for themselves what can and cannot be done within WDW. Not that it matters anyway.
But it is part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe that revolves around the Avengers films.
 

flyerjab

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I don't want to derail this thread, but Agents of SHEILD was good, but certainly not great. It has a lot of potential but lets see what happens over the next few episodes and see which direction the writers and director go.

Derail THIS thread? Was that sarcasm?

Reviewing multiple threads on this site at the current time and I am picking up on some rumblings regarding the Star Wars and Avatar additions/expansions. Is there a growing concenses that some official announcements are imminent? Only asking cause I noticed some things hinted at on this thread along with some more specific information reported by marni on another thread.
 

JimboJones123

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Just being part of the Marvel universe is not what makes SHIELD, or even the Avengers, off-limits to Walt Disney World. But - again - the contract is online for anyone to read for themselves what can and cannot be done within WDW. Not that it matters anyway.
616?
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Spirited Musings:

Is there really a thread here on LotR coming to TPFKaTD-MGMS? I mean REALLY????!!!

Did we call DoA on Cars Land too soon? Yes, there seems to be life in the corpse unless someone is playing the set up game. We call this one 'developing'.

The OLC is not happy with WDI these days. Yes, that is why there will be no Cars Land in Tokyo (thankfully). The OLC isn't really happy with Disney at all, right now. They've been pushed hard on everything from One Disney to MM+/NGE and want no part of any of it since they run their parks to a standard Disney is simply unwilling, or more accurately incapable of doing.

I was not overly happy with the Emmys on Sunday (although CBS was). It was a dull boring affair and I almost thought they were doing so because I had to miss them for the first time since 2001. They got best drama and best comedy right (the biggies as I call them) and I was happy for Anna Gunn and Jim Parsons, but beyond that there were a whole lot of HUHS!!?!?? And the morbid focus on death and the tacky way it was done is all on my good friends at the Academy.

TV season started and I still am enjoying Sleepy Hollow and love Black List, but Spader would be great in an adult diaper commercial. Do not get what the hype beyond it being MARVEL!!!!!!!!! For Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. It wasn't bad, but wasn't particularly good either. Same could be said for the Goldbergs. I'll give them both a few more chances.

Back to WDW ... Just read @KevinYee 's column on more for less at MNSSHP. Thought it was honest and straight forward. This is how Disney operates today and this is why guests attempt to lie, cheat and steal to even the playing field whether by stealing soda or privileges for the disabled or simply walking out of the Emporium without paying or even complaining about a perfectly fine meal to get it comped. Do I think it is right? Not at all. ... Do I think it is understandable? Absolutely. You screw folks enough and you have to expect that a portion of them are going to turn around and give it to you hard.

So, Iger's big sales job yesterday was Avatar and MAGIC bands. What another glorious decade of utter mediocrity WDW guests have to look forward to.

Is George Kalogridis still in hiding?

Sorry, gushing UNI fanbois but I do not believe that this is the best HHNs ever or that every house is fantastic. Honestly, the event got so repetitive that I skipped it in 2009, swore I wasn't sane for returning in 2010 and then had a great time in 2011. I can't really rate last year's event because I went during a four-hour monsoon. But I am looking forward to this year's event. It would be great if they could burn a Disney Lifestyler every night, though.

While not a fan of any NFL team, I must admit to enjoy seeing the Fins at 3-0, while teams such as the Steelers, Giants and Redskins are at the opposite end of the spectrum.

Disney absolutely is delusional in thinking that I'd ever pay $89 to stay at the when fanb....OK, no jokes. That rate is a joke all its own.

I heard my thread was temporarily turned into the of the moment stroller and ECV bashfest and I must say I approve. When at the Disney international parks you see almost no ECVs (and people in them have obvious issues and don't weigh 458 pounds) and far less strollers. When kids reach walking age, they walk. Very simply. They aren't coddled like American brats are. Unless a child has a REAL disability, there is no excuse for a child over the age of say 5 being pushed around all day except bad, lazy parents. Hey, you know who you are. They gave your children functioning legs so they could walk with them. Think about that when you see a child being pushed around because they can't walk and they never will.

What's up with OLC - Those are best parks in system
 

doctornick

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SHIELD is part of the Marvel Universe, so no attractions.

The contract prohibits characters that in the same "family" as characters in use at IOA. None of the people featured in the SHIELD TV show are in the Avengers. It would really depend on how the lawyers define some of the specifics of the deal.
 

doctornick

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Did we call DoA on Cars Land too soon? Yes, there seems to be life in the corpse unless someone is playing the set up game. We call this one 'developing'.

In another thread, Martin indicated that some element of Cars and perhaps other Pixar attractions could or will be coming to DHS. Is that accurate?
 

SirLink

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Businesses shutdown even profitable things if they aren't profitable enough. The overhead of employment, operational stretch, footprint, etc are all reasons why often businesses shutdown divisions even if they aren't losing money. A business can say 'I have 500 people making 2mil/year over here'... but if I had 500 people over there.. I could be making 10mil/yr'. At that point it doesn't matter that the group was profitable, stable, cheap, etc... it's the opportunity comparison that kills them. Or others examples include simply they don't think they want those 500 additional headcount... you don't make enough to justify the overhead. pl0nk.

Same thing happens in the financial microscope. High expenses with low returns are frowned upon. Running a project that boosts operational costs without returning the target margin are frowned upon.

The 'cheaper option' isn't alone good enough in many cases.

I can't imagine Disney taking the operational overhead of a project for 10+ years if they believe up front it won't perform to target. They wouldn't take the penalties it would incur on their operational and reporting sides. It's much better to write it down now, and avoid the long term drag on your numbers.

Cameron won't make it easy for Disney to shutdown the Avatar project without a huge payout those are the shutdown costs in this case. Disney would most likely love to shutdown the project but what huge payout will Cameron get probably more than 20 guys just doing basic R+D and doing concept art at this stage.
 

lazyboy97o

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The contract prohibits characters that in the same "family" as characters in use at IOA. None of the people featured in the SHIELD TV show are in the Avengers. It would really depend on how the lawyers define some of the specifics of the deal.
Except Agent Coulson who has appeared in several Marvel Cinematic Films and Agent Hill who was introduced in The Avengers, as well as the series being clearly linked to the events of these films.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Cameron won't make it easy for Disney to shutdown the Avatar project without a huge payout those are the shutdown costs in this case. Disney would most likely love to shutdown the project but what huge payout will Cameron get probably more than 20 guys just doing basic R+D and doing concept art at this stage.

Presumably the contract has some sort of penalty clause for failing to execute... because a name like Cameron would probably have forced a cut of merch sales, etc. So failing to execute would mean lost revenues for him.. so probably some huge lump sum penalty for either party to backout. But still... lump sums are generally better for the balance sheet than lethargic projects sucking up resources. Slow boat in WDI is no biggie.. but once they put something in the parks... that's a different game.
 

the.dreamfinder

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Cameron won't make it easy for Disney to shutdown the Avatar project without a huge payout those are the shutdown costs in this case. Disney would most likely love to shutdown the project but what huge payout will Cameron get probably more than 20 guys just doing basic R+D and doing concept art at this stage.
You could always have him do a big budget redo of The Living Seas and give him money to make deep sea documentaries.
 
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